Sheesh... apple ripoff corpo defenders, what a sad position to take... lile apple loves you or is your friend. Pathetic. 😯
I'm not ruling out that Apple is in here.
Honestly apple to take the 38b hit would actually impress me and make me respect them more.
So people or companies violating the law impresses you and makes them earn your respect?
You have a choice too, go Android.
They also have a choice and wait and get an iOS that follows the law which allows them to exercise their right of owning and controlling what's on their device.
I have not seen any large developer come out and say that they would pass on the 27% discount for clients. Big devs just want to keep that money.
They don't have to. It's part of the free market for them to choose how much, or if anything, they want to give back to the customer.
Apple could request 31-100% on the App Store and I wouldn't care because competition will settle in.
The courts in the US say….
The US is not the only nation in the world.
You’re glad your grandma is willingly giving up more data than she previously had to or breaking the functionality of websites by declining required ones? It’s a law that looks good, but is so poorly implemented it’s pointless. Just like this. Another flop by out of touch old people. It’s been so poorly received, they’re looking at ways already to end it with a “cookie pledge” instead.
My grandma clicks "no" because she lets the popup be read to her, and she clicks no on everything she sees including legitimate interest, much to my surprise.
She's not fluent in tech things but she understands a simple context like having a choice. She thinks that her phone number will be sold on the internet which is quite similar to what's actually happening.
Or it's like buying a house in an HOA where someone else decided what colour you can paint "YOUR HOUSE!". You bought the product, were presented with a contract, signed it .. no backsies
The contract also needs to follow domestic law. If it doesn't, that passage is void.
And that development is funded by BOTH the hardware sales and sales through the App Store. Companies get to decide their margins, until someone tells em different, no one has yet.
As seen by the developer fee through each year, it is evident that this is not the case. Developing was free before the $99 yearly sub.
It is fair. Don't like the rules of the platform, build your own. Epic/Spotify could say, build their own hardware and OS. Nothing is stopping them from doing that. There is even a chance that that platform is compelling enough for many IOS to abbadnon ship (unlikely in my opinion). They don't want to do that because IOS/Android platforms have taken investment of hundreds of billions of dollars to get where they are today.
Join or die is not how things work in a democracy, not even in capitalism.
The context here is people saying iOS should just operate like macOS and gatekeeper is “good enough”. But it’s not. You can bypass it with two clicks. I don’t want this on iOS.
Others want it and have the right to it. It is bypassed by the user, not by a random program.
You have but don't know it. The contract is implicit. The full details of license for the product you are buying does not need to be presented in print form at point of sale. Open the box, turn on the product, accept license agreement (you can't get past that) you've signed a contract.
If the contract says that I void all my human rights, does that go into effect? No, it doesn't because any part of the contract is void if it's not legal where I live and where they sold it with a part number registered to that economic region.
Because you singed a legal agreement saying you agree with the terms of the platform (which includes a commission of up to 30% on In App Content Consumed). The only way to develop for the platform is to sign the contract. Done like it, sell your app elsewhere.
If this is about the App Store and not iOS itself, then the law supports your point. Otherwise, it doesn't.
I'm not going to say that this level of capitalism is good or healthy, it's not. The problem is, that this is the model that we 'society' call capitalism expects/demands that. If you make 40% on your first dollar earned, at what point does a party say whoa that is too much? Who gets to decide ?
This is about democracy. It means that if the number of voices from the population are higher than the ones from the company, the company is overruled in their argument that it is for the benefit of the user.
Then maybe you’re on the wrong platform.
Or maybe they aren't and just the platform needs an adjustment. That's why there are politics. No one needs anyone to leave their country to make it better for everyone.
The endless comparisons to brick and mortar stores miss two points. One, software distributed online doesn't have the same costs as a physical store or even an online store selling physical goods. With software and media downloads being mainstream for about 25 years, it's weird to make that the baseline. Two, and more important in this situation, there are no cities I'm aware of where half the citizens are only allowed to shop at one store. Those simplistic comparisons stop being relevant when normal market forces are removed.
This. And it's also more like an Apple Store being in a city and selling Apple stuff and third party things and other stores selling them, too, and other goods. Those other goods' acquisition prices were decided by the seller, not the shop who bought them, and also not by Apple because they didn't make that third-party product.
This whole thread reminds me of all the comments advising Apple as to what they should do about the Apple Watch, what Apple did wrong, how they months to prevent this, how they should just pay for the patents, etc…
Well, I just looked, and it appears that the Apple Watch is available for order right now. It was off the Apple Store shelves for a grand total of two days, after the holiday season ended.
Looks like Apple might just know what they are doing?! I guess there is a reason why the Apple employees running things are multi-millionaires and the government employees are, well, are public servants.
You all can bet that the EU is going to be pissed at them circumventing their rules and fine Apple billion of dollars. My money is on Apple though.
They had this lawsuit in the US and have since removed the infringing feature on currently sold watches. If you look into the case you'll see that Apple did some pretty nasty things which partially amount to industry espionage, and it's very clear why the judge ruled against Apple here.
I understand. And they are wrong, because iOS is nothing like macOS.
When users have full control of iOS, down to terminal/unix base commands - then iOS can copy macOS’s gatekeeper system.
We don't and won't and also we won't need that because terminal access would allow us to disable security itself. This is not what sideloading and a free market is about.
So Apple can do what they want and owner of paid devices not? Remember the ad from 1984! Get the hammer!
The EU got the hammer.
Also,
@ender78, you are generating a post for each quote and post dozen responses within a few minutes, which lowers visibility of actually different opinions here. It would be nice if you could stop that.
