Reports Conflict on iPhone 11 Pro Models Having 4GB or 6GB of RAM

[raybo]

What about THIS difference between 11 Pro and 11???

11 Pro: Gigabit‑class LTE with 4x4 MIMO and LAA
vs.
11: Gigabit-class LTE with 2x2 MIMO and LAA

 

[hans1972]

but if they don't take many photos/videos, why get the 11, the XS and X are even more heavily discounted now.

With iCloud Photo Library you can have tens of thousands of photos. My Photo Library is about 110Gb but it only takes up 6Gb on my iPhone. And yet every picture from 2004 is on the phone.

 

[Khedron]

With iCloud Photo Library you can have tens of thousands of photos. My Photo Library is about 110Gb but it only takes up 6Gb on my iPhone. And yet every picture from 2004 is on the phone.

My library is over 200 GB. iCloud helps a lot by only storing low quality versions for general browsing, but the moment you share or edit a photo/video, or want to include it in another project you still need the original.

Just for fun I created a family video a few minutes long. It ended up 0.5 GB in size but still needed many tens of GB of free space for original and temporary files.

Meanwhile Apple is talking about "professional cinematographers" using their new phone.

Summary: 64 GB storage on a "Pro" phone is the biggest joke the mobile phone industry has ever known (including exploding phones)

 

[hans1972]

and its reality that 64gb for a camera centric phone that shoots 4k 60hz is bit of a low blow, especially when another 64gb is only 6 bucks more. ofcourse you don't have to accept that either, where i live no one is forcing you

And if you are recording lots of video you can pay more to get the storage you need. And with iCloud Photo Library a lot of that video will be offloaded to the cloud.

You have several solutions and will only cost you money. That's quite convenient if you ask me.

 

[ksec]

According to @ksec, Xcode classifies different iDevices into different memory categories, and the iPhone 11 Pros are classified as category 3, which puts them into the 4 GB RAM category. (I'm not a developer so forgive me if I'm not describing things correctly.) @ksec states that this is unequivocal evidence that these devices are 4 GB and not 6 GB.

That goes along with with the multiple Geekbench results, all of which indicate that all the 11 series models are 4 GB.

BTW, the theory that only higher storage models might be 6 GB makes no sense, because the original 6 GB rumour comes from a screengrab of a Chinese 3rd party retailer database showing the 6 GB spec. That screengrab specifically indicates that the model in question with the 6 GB is actually a 64 GB model, so that kills that theory.

Given this information, it's likely that the retailer database is simply wrong. From Apple's side, there wouldn't be a reason for RAM to be listed anyway, since Apple doesn't list RAM as part of the specifications.

Instead of making up RAM specs like some retailers and websites are doing, AnandTech has the best solution. See here:

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Ok. I can't be bothered to search back my own post, but I think I did mention 1TB iPad Pro has 6GB Memory and uses the same profile. So there might be chances of a 6GB iPhone Pro, we just don't know ( yet ). I do want 6GB RAM, but the chance of it happening is slim. The camera upgrade wasn't what we think it was, hence it doesn't require 6GB RAM to function. Although one could argue the 1TB iPad Pro doesn't really need 6GB RAM either.

And to answer your iPad question, it doesn't seems to have a new entry for iPad 10.2, so I am guessing it means the same as previous 9.7 iPad, 2GB RAM.

 

[hans1972]

iphone 11 shoots 4k 60hz, so double of that will be 30 mins takes up 20gb raw, 10gb in hevc.

if you go to one or two wedding, chances are 64gb is not gonna cut it.

Apple do not indent that you keep the everything on your iPhone. With iCloud Photo Library the phone will automatically offload it to the cloud.

If you are going to shoot hours and hours of 4K@60bps of video, get the more expensive phone.

 

[hans1972]

i do feel strongly about it, but to change to samsung would disrupt my workflow since i'm tied into the apple eco system.

again, this nickel and diming on storage is a inconvenience, its like your rent keep getting higher. your basically telling someone to move if they dont like the rent increase.

If someone complained about their rent year after year, yes I would ask them to move, get a better paid job or just accept the situation.

 

[ilikewhey]

And if you are recording lots of video you can pay more to get the storage you need. And with iCloud Photo Library a lot of that video will be offloaded to the cloud.

You have several solutions and will only cost you money. That's quite convenient if you ask me.

not everyone have icloud and not everyone trust keeping their stuffs in icloud, moot point

Apple do not indent that you keep the everything on your iPhone. With iCloud Photo Library the phone will automatically offload it to the cloud.

If you are going to shoot hours and hours of 4K@60bps of video, get the more expensive phone.

again not everyone wants to keep their stuff on someone else's server, many folks rather keep their stuff in their phone. some folks at work refuse to upload anything cloud related personal or business.

 

[hans1972]

My library is over 200 GB. iCloud helps a lot by only storing low quality versions for general browsing, but the moment you share or edit a photo/video, or want to include it in another project you still need the original.

And then the phone downloads the full version. There is no need to store the entire collection of videos, photos, music, documents and other data for most users with cloud storage. For those few who need more storage, you have the convenience of paying more for a more valuable solution.

 

[Khedron]

And then the phone downloads the full version. There is no need to store the entire collection of videos, photos, music, documents and other data for most users with cloud storage. For those few who need more storage, you have the convenience of paying more for a more valuable solution.

With Apple you're paying for overpriced internal storage, paying for iCloud, paying for data... paying over and over again because price gouging is Tim's only strategy

With Android you just get all of the storage and never have to think twice about it

 

[ilikewhey]

With Apple you're paying for overpriced internal storage, paying for iCloud, paying for data... paying over and over again because price gouging is Tim's only strategy

With Android you just get all of the storage and never have to think twice about it

i have a hunch they will say "so go get an android" lol

 

[uwdude]

The correct answer is, yes giving people 64gb on an $1100 phone is ridiculous, but no a lot of people cannot just drop the ecosystem, and Apple knows that, and so they will get away with it.

 

[mike2q]

Why tho. Who actually needs 8GB or especially 12 GB of RAM in a mobile device in 2019?"

You don't need that much ram in 2019 but there's a good chance you will in 2021. That's how Apple gets you to upgrade because they know their processors will be good enough for years to come. If on the other hand they include just barely enough ram for optimal performance now then when future apps and OS upgrades require more memory your phone will slow down a lot. No throttling required. Don't kid yourself, they don't skimp on ram because iOS is so efficient, they do it because it's in their best interest. RAM is too cheap for any other reason. I mean look at Mac's. Apple matches Dell with memory choices despite the Mac OS and Windows 10 are very different. If you walk into an Apple store to shop Macbooks you'll be told more memory make your investment more future proof. They say that because it's true.

 

[GuruZac]

You don't need that much ram in 2019 but there's a good chance you will in 2021. That's how Apple gets you to upgrade because they know their processors will be good enough for years to come. If on the other hand they include just barely enough ram for optimal performance now then when future apps and OS upgrades require more memory your phone will slow down a lot. No throttling required. Don't kid yourself, they don't skimp on ram because iOS is so efficient, they do it because it's in their best interest. RAM is too cheap for any other reason. I mean look at Mac's. Apple matches Dell with memory choices despite the Mac OS and Windows 10 are very different. If you walk into an Apple store to shop Macbooks you'll be told more memory make your investment more future proof. They say that because it's true.

Well if the iPhone 6s is anything to go by, 4 years later and the phones are still going strong with just 2GB of RAM. Compare that to the number of Android flagships with all of their RAM. I don’t know of many people using 4 year Android flagships that function as well. I think Apple does enough optimizing hardware and software to where excessive RAM simply is not needed. My wife’s 7 Plus is still blazing fast on iOS 13.1 Beta 2, and that’s 3 years old with 3GB of RAM.

 

[Wowereit]

The iPhone has always worked. And that's why its users have never cared about how much RAM is under the hood.

Honestly, the 6 and especially 6 Plus (due to the graphics for the higher resolution display being stored in RAM as well) have been pretty bad with closing browser taps and reloading apps even back in 2014.

They were the last generation with 1 GB of RAM, the 6S doubled that and it was a very noticeable improvement.

If you have a 2 GB iPhone today, you are fine for lighter use. It's still good enough, but you'd notice a difference to the X with or XR with 3 GB.

I don't think you'll notice a difference between 4 and 6 GB today, but as iPhones continue to get used for longer and longer times, this might prove useful.

 

[Wowereit]

You don't need 12 GB in 2019 but there's a good chance you will in 2021.

No, you won't.

12 GB is simply ridiculous and only to bump up the spec sheet.

8 GB are still plenty of memory for more than 95% of users today in notebooks. Looking at the pretty stagnant development of RAM usage in notebooks during the past 5 years, I doubt that memory usage will somehow explode in the next 2 years.

As tech matures, development slows down. Phones have progressed insanely fast to a point where CPU performance and amount of RAM are close to reaching parity with notebooks, after that I'll expect a significant slowdown. Other than marketing, there is no reason why a phone should require more system resources than a notebook.

 

[falainber]

No, you won't.

12 GB is simply ridiculous and only to bump up the spec sheet.

8 GB are still plenty of memory for more than 95% of users today in notebooks. Looking at the pretty stagnant development of RAM usage in notebooks during the past 5 years, I doubt that memory usage will somehow explode in the next 2 years.

As tech matures, development slows down. Phones have progressed insanely fast to a point where CPU performance and amount of RAM are close to reaching parity with notebooks, after that I'll expect a significant slowdown. Other than marketing, there is no reason why a phone should require more system resources than a notebook.

Galaxy Note can benefit from 12GB of RAM because it offers desktop interface (DEX). Apple does not position iPhones this way. iPhone has much more limited functionality so it should be fine with 4GB (6 would probably still be preferable).

 

[I7guy]

My library is over 200 GB. iCloud helps a lot by only storing low quality versions for general browsing, but the moment you share or edit a photo/video, or want to include it in another project you still need the original.

Just for fun I created a family video a few minutes long. It ended up 0.5 GB in size but still needed many tens of GB of free space for original and temporary files.

Meanwhile Apple is talking about "professional cinematographers" using their new phone.

Summary: 64 GB storage on a "Pro" phone is the biggest joke the mobile phone industry has ever known (including exploding phones)

Apple will probably sell a bunch of those “joke” phones you mentioned. They do the market research.

 

[Channan]

Wait a second.
You want Apple to give you more More MORE.
If they don’t, they’re greedy?

Calm down Chris Crocker. When you’re paying $1,000 for a phone, it’s fair to expect top of the line specs. Putting more RAM in higher storage models is a great way to get people who want the best performance but don’t need extra storage to buy those models anyway. That could definitely be a greedy tactic.

 

[Abazigal]

Galaxy Note can benefit from 12GB of RAM because it offers desktop interface (DEX). Apple does not position iPhones this way. iPhone has much more limited functionality so it should be fine with 4GB (6 would probably still be preferable).

I would really like to know just how many people are actually using this feature, much less on a regular basis.

 

[ilikewhey]

The correct answer is, yes giving people 64gb on an $1100 phone is ridiculous, but no a lot of people cannot just drop the ecosystem, and Apple knows that, and so they will get away with it.

something for nothing! something for nothing!

/sarcasm

 

[Abazigal]

The correct answer is, yes giving people 64gb on an $1100 phone is ridiculous, but no a lot of people cannot just drop the ecosystem, and Apple knows that, and so they will get away with it.

Yes, because the 11 Pro Max is the only option Apple sells.

 

[winterny]

It's 5 hours more for video playback.
But why bother checking https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ when you can just claim some BS, amirite?

Yeah ... Apple's claim is basically 23-33% increase depending on use case.

Comparing to the flagship androids out there, this will put it in line with their battery life. It won't be far ahead, but it also shouldn't lose as badly as in the test that mi7chy posted.

My main reason for upgrading over the iPhone X is because of battery life, so I'm optimistic that apple's battery claims are going to hold up.

 

[russell_314]

I think it’s funny how this thread boils down to "if you don’t need the same specifications in a phone that I do that you’re wrong". The facts are Apple has given its customers a choice in both getting less memory storage or more storage. Both options are available for those who need them. I have friends never use more than 64 GB.

It's also a fact that if Apple put something with a retail cost of X in the phone then the retail price has to be increased by X, some other component(s) of the phone have to be cut by X, or Apple's profit margins will decrease by X. One of those things WILL happen. There's no FREE upgrade and it's not possible for Apple to GIVE customers anything. Apple is in the business of SELLING a product just like every other manufacturer. If Samsung or any other manufacturer upgraded the storage they did one of those three things.

It’s easy to act like a child and demand you want something without a basic understanding of how the item is to be acquired and delivered to you. It’s like a kid that wants a toy doesn’t understand that his parents must work for that to buy it, steal it, or cut something else in the budget so he can have the toy. Just "give me the toy" isn’t a solution

 

[digthewell]

Honestly, the 6 and especially 6 Plus (due to the graphics for the higher resolution display being stored in RAM as well) have been pretty bad with closing browser taps and reloading apps even back in 2014.

They were the last generation with 1 GB of RAM, the 6S doubled that and it was a very noticeable improvement.

If you have a 2 GB iPhone today, you are fine for lighter use. It's still good enough, but you'd notice a difference to the X with or XR with 3 GB.

I don't think you'll notice a difference between 4 and 6 GB today, but as iPhones continue to get used for longer and longer times, this might prove useful.

You're absolutely right. I was using a 6S till a few weeks ago and now I'm using the 6 till I get a new phone. There is a perceptible lag in the 6, it is downright slow at times and frustrating. But then I remind myself that it is over 5 years old too.

Whereas the 6S was a breeze to use and I hardly ever noticed any lag on it.