Reports Conflict on iPhone 11 Pro Models Having 4GB or 6GB of RAM

[Aston441]

That’s ok as I’m pretty sure that that’s not the classic BRG anyway.

there is no such thing as "classic" BRG

A bunch of race teams, especially Lotus and Sunbeam started painting their cars dark green and racing them that way, so people started thinking of British race cars as being green, the way everyone thought of Ferrari as red.

the manufactures sold production cars to the public in dark green too, and everyday Joe's started calling it BRG

There's nothing more to it than that, all the British manufactures sold and raced cars in other colors too.

Jaguar did it too, I'm not sure if Austin Healy ever had a dark green car.


Also I'll take this moment to lament how the usual idiots destroyed the once great British sports car industry.

 

[GuruZac]

Your right. For me, 64GB doesn’t even cover my music library. If it’s aimed at pro users of photography well they will need more than 64GB. I can understand 64GB on the iPhone 11. If Apple wants to brand it Pro then it needs to start at 256GB. Apple has never understood this concept unless they are intentionally doing this on purpose (price gouging customers who need Pro storage)

I don’t get this argument. Equating “Pro” with high storage. “Pro” photographers don’t store their photos on their camera either. If you are a user who has extensive cloud storage then 64GB is fine. The Pro designation is undoubtedly marketing as you get essentially the same guts with the iPhone 11, but the construction, triple lens setup, processor, and features are either top of the industry or industry leading, just like their MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, iMac Pro and MacPro. What you do with the device determines if it’s Pro. And for what it’s worth, I like that Apple is moving toward standard model and Pro model across all of their hardware lineup.

Edit: The Verge has a nice article summing up the latest Pro name used in flagship smartphones.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/12/...neplus-7-extra-camera-ram-display-differences

 

[UK-MacAddict]

Everyone wants something for nothing. They won't get it but there's nothing wrong with wanting it. Why would they keep the XS when it's right behind the current model. They have enough models as is. They kept the XR as a low cost option but the XS isn't for that market. If you want an XS there's plenty of used and refurbished options available.
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So you want the 256 GB upgrade for free

64GB doesn’t even make sense numerically in the line up. If they wanted to start with 64 they should of done 64, 128, 256. Logically it should be 128, 256, 512. The only reason there isn’t 128 is because they know 99% of buyers would get that model and because it’s the cheapest they’d lose money.

Technology prices fall each year. The XS should be at the XR price point or a bit higher because really that’s all it’s worth. It wasn’t worth £1000+ in the first place that’s just £500 - £600 Apple tax. The XR should be at the 8 price point. So the only phones they should have are iPhone XR, XS, 11 and 11 Pro/Max. That makes sense. There product line up is one big mess right now.

 

[ilikewhey]

64GB doesn’t even make sense numerically in the line up. If they wanted to start with 64 they should of done 64, 128, 256. Logically it should be 128, 256, 512. The only reason there isn’t 128 is because they know 99% of buyers would get that model and because it’s the cheapest they’d lose money.

Technology prices fall each year. The XS should be at the XR price point or a bit higher because really that’s all it’s worth. It wasn’t worth £1000+ in the first place that’s just £500 - £600 Apple tax. The XR should be at the 8 price point. So the only phones they should have are iPhone XR, XS, 11 and 11 Pro/Max. That makes sense. There product line up is one big mess right now.

not to mention its 10 cents a gb right now, so going from 64gb to 128gb would only cost 6 bucks lol
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Everyone wants something for nothing. They won't get it but there's nothing wrong with wanting it. Why would they keep the XS when it's right behind the current model. They have enough models as is. They kept the XR as a low cost option but the XS isn't for that market. If you want an XS there's plenty of used and refurbished options available.
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So you want the 256 GB upgrade for free

i wouldn't call it something for nothing, apple not exactly giving us free phones now are they? more like more bang for the buck. you gotta admit, 64gb for a 1 grand phone is pretty laughable.

 

[russell_314]

not to mention its 10 cents a gb right now, so going from 64gb to 128gb would only cost 6 bucks lol
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i wouldn't call it something for nothing, apple not exactly giving us free phones now are they? more like more bang for the buck. you gotta admit, 64gb for a 1 grand phone is pretty laughable.

You keep quoting manufacturer prices. If you want that price you need to book a flight to Shenzhen and be prepared to buy in bulk. You want something for nothing. You can call it what you want getting more bang for your buck or whatever but it boils down to you wanting something for nothing. It’s like if I went to the car dealership and was looking at a V6 Mustang and told the guy I’ll tell you what I’ll buy it for this price but give me the V8 Mustang. I mean everything is incremental. When you go to the store and they have a television with two HDMI ports they’re not going to give me the one with three HDMI ports for that same price. You can argue all day that it cost them six cents to put the extra HDMI port in and they’re gonna laugh at you because it’s just silly.

Don’t get me wrong if I go to the phone place and he told me he'll give me the 256 GB model or even 512 GB model for the same price as the 64 GB model I wouldn’t turn it down. I won’t turn down free stuff either but demanding it or even expecting it it’s just silly

 

[GuruZac]

there is no such thing as "classic" BRG

A bunch of race teams, especially Lotus and Sunbeam started painting their cars dark green and racing them that way, so people started thinking of British race cars as being green, the way everyone thought of Ferrari as red.

the manufactures sold production cars to the public in dark green too, and everyday Joe's started calling it BRG

There's nothing more to it than that, all the British manufactures sold and raced cars in other colors too.

Jaguar did it too, I'm not sure if Austin Healy ever had a dark green car.


Also I'll take this moment to lament how the usual idiots destroyed the once great British sports car industry.

I took a ride in my buddy’s McLaren 600LT and I feel Britain’s sportscar industry is alive and well. Holy **** that car was fast an I worked at Porsche for 7 years so appreciate performance.

 

[ilikewhey]

You keep quoting manufacturer prices. If you want that price you need to book a flight to Shenzhen and be prepared to buy in bulk. You want something for nothing. You can call it what you want getting more bang for your buck or whatever but it boils down to you wanting something for nothing. It’s like if I went to the car dealership and was looking at a V6 Mustang and told the guy I’ll tell you what I’ll buy it for this price but give me the V8 Mustang. I mean everything is incremental. When you go to the store and they have a television with two HDMI ports they’re not going to give me the one with three HDMI ports for that same price. You can argue all day that it cost them six cents to put the extra HDMI port in and they’re gonna laugh at you because it’s just silly.

Don’t get me wrong if I go to the phone place and he told me he'll give me the 256 GB model or even 512 GB model for the same price as the 64 GB model I wouldn’t turn it down. I won’t turn down free stuff either but demanding it or even expecting it it’s just silly

apple = manufacturer, apple = buy in bulk, you should book that flight to shenzhen and find out how cheap storage is.

how is it i'm paying $1000 is something for nothing, you can call it whatever you want but it boils down to apple nickel and diming. its like if i went to the car dealership and was looking at the premium package and told them to not charge me for the different color seat leather i want, the dealership not only did just that but also threw in free roadside assistance. everything is incremental, when you go to the store they have a television for $$$ they will price match it to the ad from walmart or bestbuy. you can argue all day that apple doesn't go buy bulk price and everyone at apple will laugh at you because its silly to think apple can't get bulk price for storage.

your being silly again thinking me and others are demanding or even expecting. we are making valid criticism on the ground that spending 1 grand on a phone that only comes with 64gb storage.

 

[MichaelMidnight]

so... going back to topic, any confirmation on RAM size between the 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max?

 

[Jedwardoo]

Wait a second.
You want Apple to give you more More MORE.
If they don’t, they’re greedy?

Seems like it. Some people think that companies like Samsung and OnePlus are charity foundations and not companies that are made/designed to make profit.

 

[russell_314]

apple = manufacturer, apple = buy in bulk, you should book that flight to shenzhen and find out how cheap storage is.

how is it i'm paying $1000 is something for nothing, you can call it whatever you want but it boils down to apple nickel and diming. its like if i went to the car dealership and was looking at the premium package and told them to not charge me for the different color seat leather i want, the dealership not only did just that but also threw in free roadside assistance. everything is incremental, when you go to the store they have a television for $$$ they will price match it to the ad from walmart or bestbuy. you can argue all day that apple doesn't go buy bulk price and everyone at apple will laugh at you because its silly to think apple can't get bulk price for storage.

your being silly again thinking me and others are demanding or even expecting. we are making valid criticism on the ground that spending 1 grand on a phone that only comes with 64gb storage.

You = not manufacturer
You = paying retail price
You expecting Apple to just give you an upgrade for free = wanting something for nothing

That's about as simple as it gets. If you can't understand this then I could reply 1000 times and you won't understand. I can't help you understand.

So how about that 6GB of RAM in the new iPhones?
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so... going back to topic, any confirmation on RAM size between the 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max?

I don't think anyone knows. Someone posted a screenshot a while back in this thread about xcode showing 4GB but I'm no programmer so IDK what that means.

 

[EugW]

I don't think anyone knows. Someone posted a screenshot a while back in this thread about xcode showing 4GB but I'm no programmer so IDK what that means.

According to @ksec, Xcode classifies different iDevices into different memory categories, and the iPhone 11 Pros are classified as category 3, which puts them into the 4 GB RAM category. (I'm not a developer so forgive me if I'm not describing things correctly.) @ksec states that this is unequivocal evidence that these devices are 4 GB and not 6 GB.

That goes along with with the multiple Geekbench results, all of which indicate that all the 11 series models are 4 GB.

BTW, the theory that only higher storage models might be 6 GB makes no sense, because the original 6 GB rumour comes from a screengrab of a Chinese 3rd party retailer database showing the 6 GB spec. That screengrab specifically indicates that the model in question with the 6 GB is actually a 64 GB model, so that kills that theory.

Given this information, it's likely that the retailer database is simply wrong. From Apple's side, there wouldn't be a reason for RAM to be listed anyway, since Apple doesn't list RAM as part of the specifications.

Instead of making up RAM specs like some retailers and websites are doing, AnandTech has the best solution. See here:

 

[koruki]

is it me.. or does the new iPhone have a bulge on top of a bulge?

 

[ilikewhey]

You = not manufacturer
You = paying retail price
You expecting Apple to just give you an upgrade for free = wanting something for nothing

That's about as simple as it gets. If you can't understand this then I could reply 1000 times and you won't understand. I can't help you understand.

So how about that 6GB of RAM in the new iPhones?
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I don't think anyone knows. Someone posted a screenshot a while back in this thread about xcode showing 4GB but I'm no programmer so IDK what that means.

I = never claimed to be manufacturer
I criticise apple for not putting 128gb as base storage in 2019 = stop nickel and diming, cheapest $550 samsung s10e comes with 128gb base storage. is it that much of a challenge for apple to implement that?

that's about as simple as it gets. if you can't understand that then i too could reply 1000 time and you won't understand. I can't help you understand.

 

[fairuz]

I want them to be fair and don’t even sell a “Pro” phone with 64GB of capacity. In any case all “Pro’s” should come with the same RAM.

If people are buying it, it's fair. If you don't like it, don't buy it. There are hundreds of OEMs to choose from, which ofc means ditching iOS, but it's minority marketshare anyway. Or old iPhones are fine too.
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It used to be called British racing green. Thanks, Brexit.

Really the most underrated car color in history.

 

[russell_314]

If people are buying it, it's fair. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

That’s the way the free market economy works. Apple makes what the customers want to buy. When people stop buying it then Apple will stop making it

 

[fairuz]

Serious question with the RAM and iPhones. Will the 6GBs of RAM even see the useful light of day? I feel like the phone will be obsolete before the RAM is optimized. From what I have always seen, the OS is optimized to be used on phones with as little as two GB of RAM.

Never underestimate how much RAM software devs can use, especially in Java. Same with other compute resources. Wirth's Law is true.
... Actually, please do. It's the only thing stopping us.
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Question.

Why does RAM seem to double (128MB-256MB-512MB-1GB-2GB) but now it has gone to 3GB & 6GB?
Is this unusual in the computer world? And is this problematic like having unmatched pairs of RAM in a Mac?
Any explanation someone here is able to give?

RAM stopped doubling about 6 years ago. It's slowed and even stopped increasing in some areas. In PCs, RAM has gotten _more_ expensive/byte since 2012 I think, or at least that was true at some point after 2012. Though it has gotten faster and more energy-efficient.
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God forbid consumers who are willing to part with a thousand dollars for a phone, want more value for their buck. Especially when the competition offers double the RAM for less price.

They can leave then. You're essentially arguing that Apple isn't pricing their products correctly, and that's your opinion vs that of the strategists of a trillion-dollar company. I'm not saying you're wrong, but they have serious credibility.

 

[tribalhere10]

the most UGLY phone camera i ever see in the market now......SHUT UP APPLE.....Apple have die together with Jobs.

 

[Virinprew]

Apple haters are good at ass-u-me-ing

The word “hater” is meaningless. Everybody has his own thought. It’s just that it’s different than yours. That’s all.

 

[neutralguy]

First your phone needs that as a minimum to be equal to 3-4 gb of ram on the iphone
Secondly, if you’re enjoying your phone so much and aren’t part of Apple ecosystem why bother commenting?

ahh because you need to keep trying to justify switching to an inferior brand


But on topic, it doesn’t really matter - I’m sure it will be 6gb - if not well we aren’t being held back by anything. Maybe the 2020 iPhones will be 128gb storage 6gb Ram default ‍♂️ Who cares as long as it works

I am invested in apple ecosystem. My family is all on iPhones. My personal laptop is a MacBook pro 15 latest model. I only have one surface book, rest MacBook pro and air . I also own apple stock.
But what I laugh at is that every year you all wait for something better, radical that will make you jump out of your chair. But it never happens or it takes 2-3 years. And then you spend more time justifying why it didn't happen.

 

[EugW]

There are now TWENTY-ONE iPhone 11 Pro & Max entries in the Geekbench 5 database.

To save you guys the trouble, I went through all of them one by one, and ALL of them are 4 GB.

Now, it's true some of them may be the same devices getting repeated tests, but regardless, so far there is zero believable evidence to suggest they are anything but 4 GB.

BTW, if you include the iPhone 11 non-Pro, there are a total of thirty entries now. The best score so far is 1338/3543, which is truly remarkable.

 

[macfacts]

.... you gotta admit, 64gb for a 1 grand phone is pretty laughable.

It worked last year.

 

[ilikewhey]

It worked last year.

ha, it worked to certain extend, far more folks bought Xr though. i feel like apple use storage bump like playing cards, when there is less incentive in upgrade they throw in a storage bump. the main upgrade from 6s to 7 was the camera, but also took away the headphone jack. apple probably didn't feel confident enough with just a camera so they throw in a base storage bump to make it look more attractive,

we probably won't see apple bumping up base storage til maybe 2021 when the redesigned 2020 iphone mature a bit.

 

[Shirasaki]

It's a good thing Apple doesn't sell cars I guess
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No you're not suggesting that higher storage options be available. They are. You're suggesting lower storage options not be allowed or available. One is you have a choice and the other takes away the choice.

Just like other members said, we are not asking Apple to NOT sell 64GB. We are asking Apple to sell 128GB as base model without increasing the price.
And yeah, good thing Apple does not sell a car, or otherwise they will introduce smaller engine option for a bit less, and take away random features for merely a few thousands less.

If it wasn’t for the competition, Apple would have used the recessed headphone jack that they introduced with the first iPhone a lot longer than they have.

This is a bad example though, as android world jumps this wireless headphone bandwagon after iPhone 7 is released.

When people stop buying it then Apple will stop selling it. It's this crazy free market choice thing we have lol

Or, when Apple stops selling it, people stop buying it. Free market can really go either way.

This would also increase the base price thus forcing people to pay more.

No. Otherwise Apple would’ve kept 16GB base storage today for merely $50 less. It’s the natural progression of doing more with less.

 

[fairuz]

your being silly again thinking me and others are demanding or even expecting. we are making valid criticism on the ground that spending 1 grand on a phone that only comes with 64gb storage.

It sounds more like your preference. People will buy it, and Apple will likely profit more than if they'd gone with your pricing scheme. If they do unexpectedly poorly, then you can bring this up and say it was overpriced.

 

[ilikewhey]

It sounds more like your preference. People will buy it, and Apple will likely profit more than if they'd gone with your pricing scheme. If they do unexpectedly poorly, then you can bring this up and say it was overpriced.

can't be just my preference when half of this thread share my opinion

iphone 11 will sell for a number of factors, alot of 6s, 7 owners upgrading, night mode camera, carrier incentives with buy one get one free offers. etc etc. hell i'm going to bite since my backup 7 is getting a bit bend out of shape.

we won't know if they did unexpectedly poor, since apple no longer releases shipped unit figures since last year.