Reseller Shortages Hint at Forthcoming Update for 15-Inch MacBook Pro

[Yebubbleman]

Yep, although insecure is probably more accurate.

Man, you're funny. With the amount of ****s I don't give about proving anything to you, I could buy both the current and the next gen MacBook Pro.

But now you can have both dual drives and discrete graphics. And in time, quad cpu too, (although, granted, not yet).

In a Mac mini where vertical room is much moreso than you have in a laptop enclosure, it's not exactly the same comparison to the MacBook Pro, let alone the 13".

What ever. My point is proven. Discrete GPUs (which will only get better and cooler) are available in this 'thin' form factor notebook now. Where are your arguments now that it's not possible..? Just changing your argument like that, eh?

Actually no, they're not available now, or do you need to reread your own article? Discrete GPUs may get better and cooler, but the larger sized one will always be faster than the smaller-sized one, which was my point in response to your article.

Additionally, many pro apps need discrete graphics, but they don't have to be gaming machines.

Whether you are working with a Pro app or a game, in terms of GPU power, more is almost always better. You can't contest that. You can certainly try.

Using Terminal for saving documents to a new location..? Bet you shoot holes to open cans of coke too...

Way to misunderstand my point. Listening comprehension not your strong suit? I'm not talking about using the Terminal to save documents. I'm talking about moving the pre-established documents folder (i.e. as part of your Home Folder) from one location to another. Mac OS X doesn't have an easy-GUI-guided method of moving either the home folder or folders on it to another drive or location. That was my point. I'm all down with you making fun of things I have to say, but at least get them right.

The mini got a redesign. MBPs are next in line.

The mini hasn't been redesigned since 2010. Technically the last MacBook Pro design lasted six years, and we're barely half-way through year four, so, no, the MBPs are not next in line. The iMac, however is typically redesigned once every three refreshes though, and we are at the end of the third refresh. So, expect radically new iMacs before MacBook Pros. Macrumors 101 for you there.

Your mum has to care. Nobody else does.

Nope, she doesn't care either. You were right before. Nobody cares about this banter at all. Nobody but you, at least. Though I'll admit, you are funny enough that I'm at least entertained by it. It's a waste of forum space (sorry other posters). The fact of the matter is that you don't know what you're talking about and, as much as I am, if not more, you're making a complete ass out of yourself, which is a joy to watch.

Let's talk when the new models come out.
'Till then...

Nah, by then, I'll have found others that are more fun debating and have even sillier things to say about all of the "extra goodies" that could've been in the next MacBook Pros but aren't because Apple clearly doesn't care enough to make such options mainstream and not for those that want to CTO their Mac desktops. I'm sorry that Apple isn't making the machine for you. Have you considered Hackintoshing?

 

[thegreypatch]

well this is a load of rubbish

search on best buy today and here we go...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...uId=3116278&searchpage=true&_requestid=287767

 

[Yebubbleman]

well this is a load of rubbish

search on best buy today and here we go...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...uId=3116278&searchpage=true&_requestid=287767

I get nothing. Just a "find your local Best Buy" thing. What did you find?

 

[anthony11]

It's really only iPhoto and iTunes for Joe Average that eats up a lot of space.

iPhone / iPad backups also chew it up rapidly.

Moving the library to another disk

but only the library - not the (large) metadata. Seems like it'd be a better idea to keep it all together in the same place but I'm not aware of a way to do that.

- hold the option key on opening for the first time; not a big deal...

... except for the need for retrotemporal communication to tell one's past self to do so.

 

[makefunnyfaces]

Come on, Apple! I need this before I start college in August to replace my 2008 model!

 

[DaMoffitt]

Not Still Relavent

As much as I would love to see an updated MacBook Pro, and I know it will happen eventually, you can recheck said vendors and they seem to be in stock again. What could this mean?

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Come on, Apple! I need this before I start college in August to replace my 2008 model!

I have the same exact dilemma.

 

[hleewell]

This is just a speculation but I really wish Apple would do this update (image taken from slash gear.com): remove optical drive for SD/HDD hybrid for super fast operations and a larger battery with iPad 3-like energy density

Speaking of iPad inspirations, they should somehow combine iOS-like processor with the existing full Mac OS X. When doing something light like browsing the net, updating Facebook, the computer would switch to iOS-like low power state so to achieve that amazing 10 hr battery life. OK, I am not a techie, is this possible?

 

[Santabean2000]

Actually no, they're not available now, or do you need to reread your own article?

Ummm, yes they were, to Apple and other OEMs, if not the general public.

Whether you are working with a Pro app or a game, in terms of GPU power, more is almost always better.

Except in a portable where battery life has to be balanced with marginal gains in performance.

Technically the last MacBook Pro design lasted six years, and we're barely half-way through year four, so, no, the MBPs are not next in line. The iMac, however is typically redesigned once every three refreshes though, and we are at the end of the third refresh. So, expect radically new iMacs before MacBook Pros. Macrumors 101 for you there.

Really? MacRumors has all but confirmed the MBPs (15" at least) is next cab off the rank. Guess you really know your stuff...

The fact of the matter is that you don't know what you're talking about and, as much as I am, if not more, you're making a complete ass out of yourself, which is a joy to watch.

It's quite clear to all and sundry who made an a*** of himself here. Nice work. Expert.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Ummm, yes they were, to Apple and other OEMs, if not the general public.

Reread your article; they were not available to the general public or OEMs at the time of publishing.

Except in a portable where battery life has to be balanced with marginal gains in performance.

7 hours of battery life isn't enough for you? You wish to sacrifice features that others use to increase that to a needless amount? Don't get me wrong; I love battery life, but why is it necessary?

Really? MacRumors has all but confirmed the MBPs (15" at least) is next cab off the rank. Guess you really know your stuff...

They've confirmed that it is the next shipping machine; they have not confirmed that it is the next in line for a design refresh. Again, if you follow Apple history, which it looks like you don't; iMacs are design-refreshed every three revs; MacBook Pros every six years; we're on year four of MacBook Pro; we're at the end of rev 3 of iMac design; plus, Apple usually gets to work faster on new designs when there are technical problems with the current designs. No problem with the current Unibody design; many with the current iMac design. I'd ask you to analyze this in an intelligent fashion; but you're here for a pissing match.

It's quite clear to all and sundry who made an a*** of himself here. Nice work. Expert.

Says the person reviving an argument many weeks after the fact for no practical reason other than to continue the argument. Or did you actually have a reason for this? Why aren't you out playing Diablo III with all of the other cool kidz?

 

[Santabean2000]

Says the person reviving an argument many weeks after the fact for no practical reason other than to continue the argument. Or did you actually have a reason for this?

Just following up on my word that we'd come back to this once more info was supplied as it was pointless continuing the debate at the time.

Bottom line - MBPs are next for refresh; ODD is going away (finally); I am happy.

Perfect.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Just following up on my word that we'd come back to this once more info was supplied as it was pointless continuing the debate at the time.

Bottom line - MBPs are next for refresh; ODD is going away (finally); I am happy.

Perfect.

What is this "info" of which you speak. It's okay, you can admit that you were hankering to revive this ever pointless argument with me, I won't judge you. All I see is more meaningless speculation from places that have either a limited or terrible track record and the outcries of the impatient masses demanding a redesign and the incessant stupid banter from people demanding that the ODD be removed for reasons that clearly demonstrate that they don't know the first thing about how these things are currently designed in the first place. I know the ODD did terrible things to your family and it stole your girlfriend (again), but the digital-only revolution still has a while to go before EVERY Apple machine no longer has one; case in point: listed as one of the features of the current MacBook Pro is, you guessed it, the Super-Drive. You would think that it'd be poor marketing to pull something that you currently have listed as a feature. Let's remember that the MacBook Pro differentiates itself from the MacBook Air by having features that it doesn't. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's one of them. It's okay though, Apple still makes a 13" MacBook Air with a screen far better than that of the 13" MacBook Pro. You have your extra "goodies"!

 

[Santabean2000]

All I see is more meaningless speculation from places that have either a limited or terrible track record and the outcries of the impatient masses demanding a redesign and the incessant stupid banter from people demanding that the ODD be removed for reasons that clearly demonstrate that they don't know the first thing about how these things are currently designed in the first place.

Making an a** himself - case in point. Your arrogance is woefully out of whack with the validity of your opinions.

the digital-only revolution still has a while to go before EVERY Apple machine no longer has one; case in point: listed as one of the features of the current MacBook Pro is, you guessed it, the Super-Drive.

I've only ever said that the MBP needed to drop the super drive; the iMac and MP should keep theirs for a while yet. Space on a portable is limited, less so on a desktop.

You would think that it'd be poor marketing to pull something that you currently have listed as a feature.

Ummm, no. You think that. Apple has a record of pulling features when they deem them no longer necessary, and including others perhaps before they're 'ready'. That's what makes their tech better; they compete on experience rather than specs.

Let's remember that the MacBook Pro differentiates itself from the MacBook Air by having features that it doesn't. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's one of them.

For the next 3 weeks...

 

[AidenShaw]

methinks that you've overdosed on the Kool-Ade

Ummm, no. You think that. Apple has a record of pulling features when they deem them no longer necessary, and including others perhaps before they're 'ready'. That's what makes their tech better; they compete on experience rather than specs...

This is so internally contradictory I don't know where to start.

But perhaps to point out Apple's 5% market share would be a start.

 

[Santabean2000]

This is so internally contradictory I don't know where to start.

But perhaps to point out Apple's 5% market share would be a start.

I thought I was clear, but perhaps I need to clarify what I said.

Apple don't feel like they need to include every feature available, like a lot of PC makers do. Rather, Apple chooses what features will that they believe will provide the best experience for the user. For example, Apple ditched the floppy early on; included WiFi early on; dropped the ODD early on (in 2008 with the MBA - but it is only now that perhaps the market is 'ready' for a ODD-less world).

Re. the market share = 5% Not sure how that is relevant, but if you do want to go down that road, perhaps you should look at how Apple has consistently outpaced the industry in recent in years with year on year growth:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...er_in_us_with_industry_leading_21_growth.html

Note too how Intel has pushed the 'Ultrabook' spec, i.e. MBA clones.

Apple doesn't compete purely on specs, but more on experience for the enduser, and it's just that often the user needs a bump in the right direction.

One of Steve's favourites:
“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”
― Henry Ford

 

[thekev]

This is so internally contradictory I don't know where to start.

But perhaps to point out Apple's 5% market share would be a start.

After that much kool-aid, I'm surprised Wilford Brimley hasn't shown up at his door with literature on living with "diabeetus".

 

[Santabean2000]

After that much kool-aid...

For sure I take a sip, but then anyone lurking in these forums has a can in their fridge somewhere; not sure where you're coming from here.

My point was that the ODD was pulled and an SSD introduced (for a price) to signal Apple's notebook direction four years ago, but it is only now that the market is ready to go mainstream on this concept.

Were they too early to pull the trigger on it? Probably. But it has started something new too.

Don't get me wrong, that original MBA had many flaws, (in fact, I think the 2010 11" was the first worth buying), but the concept was good. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall seeing anything like it at the time coming from anyone else.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Making an a** himself - case in point. Your arrogance is woefully out of whack with the validity of your opinions.

I'm not the 15 year old waging a pro-MacBook Air argument in a MacBook Pro forum purely for the sake of doing so. Jus' sayin'.

I've only ever said that the MBP needed to drop the super drive; the iMac and MP should keep theirs for a while yet. Space on a portable is limited, less so on a desktop.

Most people with a MacBook Air have a second computer and for most it is designed to be a secondary computer, not a primary one. I agree with the notion that a secondary computer doesn't really need an optical drive provided it has access to something like Remote Disc, but for most people with a MacBook Pro, this is their only Mac. I don't use the optical drive every day either, but I sure as hell don't want to have to dick around with an external that takes up more space out of the machine than it does inside of it. You forget, the optical drive is still tons more convenient than the alternatives. And given that the MacBook Pro is still thinner than any other machine in its class by far, I don't see why, for those not looking for a MacBook Air, it needs to be any thinner.

Ummm, no. You think that. Apple has a record of pulling features when they deem them no longer necessary, and including others perhaps before they're 'ready'. That's what makes their tech better; they compete on experience rather than specs.

Right, that's why they pulled the hard drive out of every last iPod. They realize the Cloud is where the future is, which is why no one needs a 160GB iPod anymore and why they haven't been selling iPod classics for three years...oh waitaminute...

For the next 3 weeks...

Apple stands nothing to gain by making the MacBook Pro more Air-like; they will only lose customers. I fail to see how you could have any data or even intelligent opinion as to why this is not the case.

For sure I take a sip, but then anyone lurking in these forums has a can in their fridge somewhere; not sure where you're coming from here.

My point was that the ODD was pulled and an SSD introduced (for a price) to signal Apple's notebook direction four years ago, but it is only now that the market is ready to go mainstream on this concept.

Were they too early to pull the trigger on it? Probably. But it has started something new too.

Don't get me wrong, that original MBA had many flaws, (in fact, I think the 2010 11" was the first worth buying), but the concept was good. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall seeing anything like it at the time coming from anyone else.

They made the 11" Air into what the Netbook should've always been at $500 more than anyone should ever have to pay for it, and they made the 13" into a brand new category of machine, which did nothing but incite Dell, Asus, HP, and Samsung to make laptops that are starkly similar and almost as well engineered. Frankly, I want an Asus Zenbook so much more than I'd ever want a MacBook Air; though that might be due to the fact that I actually have a use for a Mac that is both portable and fully-featured, whereas, I only have use for a PC that is either MacBook Air-like or Mac Pro-like, so there you go. Still, Apple did nothing but change what is desirable for those who were otherwise going to buy a polycarbonate MacBook. For those wanting to go Pro, the Air didn't change that (unless we're talking about 13" Pro customers that only wanted to buy a 13" Pro because it was aluminum and made by Apple).

 

[Santabean2000]

I'm not the 15 year old waging a pro-MacBook Air argument in a MacBook Pro forum purely for the sake of doing so. Jus' sayin'.

Um, no, actually I'm arguing for a more 'Pro' MBP. Apparently you confuse an optical drive as a pro feature... and as such are wanting to severely constrain future possibilities.

Most people with a MacBook Air have a second computer and for most it is designed to be a secondary computer, not a primary one. I agree with the notion that a secondary computer doesn't really need an optical drive provided it has access to something like Remote Disc, but for most people with a MacBook Pro, this is their only Mac. I don't use the optical drive every day either, but I sure as hell don't want to have to dick around with an external that takes up more space out of the machine than it does inside of it. You forget, the optical drive is still tons more convenient than the alternatives. And given that the MacBook Pro is still thinner than any other machine in its class by far, I don't see why, for those not looking for a MacBook Air, it needs to be any thinner.

I've never argued for it to be thinner; just axe the ODD.

Right, that's why they pulled the hard drive out of every last iPod.

Pretty much.

They realize the Cloud is where the future is,

Yep!

which is why no one needs a 160GB iPod anymore and why they haven't been UPDATED iPod classics for three years.

There, fixed that for you.

Apple stands nothing to gain by making the MacBook Pro more Air-like; they will only lose customers. I fail to see how you could have any data or even intelligent opinion as to why this is not the case.

One more week and then we'll see if Apple thinks like me. Or like you.
I know where my money is...

 

[Yebubbleman]

Um, no, actually I'm arguing for a more 'Pro' MBP. Apparently you confuse an optical drive as a pro feature... and as such are wanting to severely constrain future possibilities.

I'm sorry, aside from thinness, what much-needed advancement is gained on either the 15" or 17" MacBook Pros by eliminating the optical drive? Quad-core CPUs, you say? Nope, already there. Discrete GPU, you say? Nope, already there. Excellent battery life? Nope, already there, and best in class. Unless we're talking about thinness, or dual-drive functionality (which is demanded by statistically fewer people than those who want an internal optical drive), you don't win anything but additional inconvenience by removing that sucker. Sorry. If you're talking about the 13" model, you might have a case; though having done a countless number of complete tear-downs of the 13" Pro for a living, I'd argue against it; kind of irrelevant as if there's any MacBook Pro model that will be cannibalized by the MacBook Air, it's the 13" MacBook Pro, so that argument is more or less moot.

I've never argued for it to be thinner; just axe the ODD.

Because it's so old-fashioned and sticks out like such a sore-thumb. It's so un- that you need it gone. Please. Get real! Beyond a dual-HDD/SSD set-up (which mind you is just about is niche as you say the ODD is today) and thinness, name a single practical feature gained by its removal.

...right, I thought so.

Pretty much. Yep! There, fixed that for you.

Way to miss my point; typical of your average angry 15-year old forum troll.

One more week and then we'll see if Apple thinks like me. Or like you.
I know where my money is...

Just don't cry yourself to sleep if you don't get your way.

 

[Yebubbleman]

One more week and then we'll see if Apple thinks like me. Or like you.
I know where my money is...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1380163/

Too late! Sorry, Charlie! Better luck next refresh!

 

[Santabean2000]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1380163/

Too late! Sorry, Charlie! Better luck next refresh!

Yeah, right...
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/


I see they've thrown the old dogs a bone too though. Enjoy, they're going to be the last.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Yeah, right...
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/


I see they've thrown the old dogs a bone too though. Enjoy, they're going to be the last.

Hey we both got what we wanted. Let's just hope that by the time my preferred MacBook Pro is entirely replaced by yours that you will have grown up and attained some much needed maturity...otherwise, I'll take only too much enjoyment in arguing with types like you.

 

[Santabean2000]

Hey we both got what we wanted. Let's just hope that by the time my preferred MacBook Pro is entirely replaced by yours that you will have grown up and attained some much needed maturity...otherwise, I'll take only too much enjoyment in arguing with types like you.

You really are a fun character, aren't you. Just let the record show, you don't know nearly as much as you think you do. And your consistent (failing) attempts to claim an increased importance by insulting the other forum members shows who really needs to grow in maturity.

And since your going back to school to learn some new things, I have one last word for you:
humility |(h)yo͞oˈmilitē|
noun
a modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness.
ORIGIN Middle English: from Old French humilite, from Latin humilitas, from humilis (see humble) .

 

[Yebubbleman]

You really are a fun character, aren't you. Just let the record show, you don't know nearly as much as you think you do. And your consistent (failing) attempts to claim an increased importance by insulting the other forum members shows who really needs to grow in maturity.

And since your going back to school to learn some new things, I have one last word for you:
humility |(h)yo͞oˈmilitē|
noun
a modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness.
ORIGIN Middle English: from Old French humilite, from Latin humilitas, from humilis (see humble) .

Here's two for you:

hypocrite |ˈhipəˌkrit|
noun
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.

hypocrisy |hiˈpäkrisē|
noun ( pl. -sies)
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

I have never claimed to have completely accurate predictions, and to be fair, I made the claim that having things like an internal optical drive, internal gigabit ethernet port, and an internal FireWire 800 port would be important enough to keep around for this next rev. I was right. If I had said to you in this thread (and I'm pretty sure I didn't, though I was admittedly thinking it) that Apple would discard the 17" model of the current non-retina model MacBook Pros last, I was wrong. I said to you that they can't make it that thin while keeping that much power. I was wrong. You pointed at the article on Kepler, and I was sure that such a GPU wasn't as ready for prime time as it was, again, I was wrong. However, at every turn, you have kept up a debate for no reason other than what? To show how much of a jerk I am? That's some silly logic right there. Continuing to reply to push your argument, even if you were right, solely to show me that I'm wrong or a jerk myself, lacks both maturity and humility. Admittedly, I only pushed it against you because I find debating with people like you on this site to be fun and amusing. Does that mark maturity on my part? Probably not. Does that mark humility on my part, probably not. Do I care? Definitely not. So there you have it. I hope you take some of this to heart, though again, if you don't, I will look forward to debating with you and those like you, whether I'm ultimately right or wrong.

 

[Santabean2000]

Here's two for you:

hypocrite |ˈhipəˌkrit|
noun
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.

hypocrisy |hiˈpäkrisē|
noun ( pl. -sies)
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

I have never claimed to have completely accurate predictions, and to be fair, I made the claim that having things like an internal optical drive, internal gigabit ethernet port, and an internal FireWire 800 port would be important enough to keep around for this next rev. I was right. If I had said to you in this thread (and I'm pretty sure I didn't, though I was admittedly thinking it) that Apple would discard the 17" model of the current non-retina model MacBook Pros last, I was wrong. I said to you that they can't make it that thin while keeping that much power. I was wrong. You pointed at the article on Kepler, and I was sure that such a GPU wasn't as ready for prime time as it was, again, I was wrong. However, at every turn, you have kept up a debate for no reason other than what? To show how much of a jerk I am? That's some silly logic right there. Continuing to reply to push your argument, even if you were right, solely to show me that I'm wrong or a jerk myself, lacks both maturity and humility. Admittedly, I only pushed it against you because I find debating with people like you on this site to be fun and amusing. Does that mark maturity on my part? Probably not. Does that mark humility on my part, probably not. Do I care? Definitely not. So there you have it. I hope you take some of this to heart, though again, if you don't, I will look forward to debating with you and those like you, whether I'm ultimately right or wrong.

I agree it has been fun in crossing swords. And I concede that in defending my thoughts and opinions I too have stepped over the line into jerk country. I apologize. *gets off high-horse*

Truth be told, I was hoping Apple would give the treatment to the 13" model, but alas I shall have to wait. Next year... perhaps. What do you think? Possible..? Probable? Or do we still need that ODD...





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