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I suppose the one advantage of an iMac refresh that is nothing but a Penryn instead of a Memrom is it will keep the resale value of my 1st gen Al iMac high when it comes time to sell it for my Mac Pro. :cool:

But if I was in the market for an iMac, a straight CPU swap would make me mighty disappointed. :(
 
How do the screens look when there is a big bright window BEHIND the monitor?

Thats what i have right now, and my current monitor works okkkk but gets a bit dimmer when the sun is coming straight at me.
Part of what you're experiencing is probably your eyes adapting to the incoming light. When your iris closes down because of the sun, the screen looks darker. Part is also due to the display, which I'll try to explain below. I'm about to say the same thing in a lot of different ways here, hoping one way makes sense so if it sounds redundant, it is...

The difference between the matte and gloss is the type of reflections they generate. Matte gives a diffuse reflection, gloss gives specular. On the gloss, incoming light will bounce off like a ray, and on the matte it will scatter in all directions.

With a glossy display, you should be able to look at a reflected light source and actually see what it is, like in a mirror. The reflected light will overwhelm the light being generated by the display itself. If you move your head, the reflection will move because the reflection is directed along a specific angle. On a matte display, a light source will spread and be mixed with the light generated by the display. Blacks become grey, more of the display area is effected by the light source, but the display image will hold its own better.

Basically that means that a focused light source (bulb or sun) directed at the screen from behind you will strongly effect a localized area of your screen (but only that area) on the gloss, and effect your whole screen on the matte but but more evenly across. If you fired a pellet from the light source and it would bounce off the screen and hit you in the eye, then the light from that source will be highly reflected off the gloss. If the pellet would bounce harmlessly past your head, then the light won't effect your view. The matte display is more like the effect of a water jet from the light-- it hits the screen and sprays everywhere, including into your eyes.

For ambient light, coming in from many directions (such as your case because the sun lights the room), the matte display will tend to wash out because some of the light from all directions will come off the screen back at you. The gloss display will maintain contrast unless there is a strong reflector behind you, such as a bright white wall, in which case you could focus your eyes on the wall in the reflection on the glass. If the reflector is far enough back, it won't effect you much because your eyes would have to change their focal distance significantly to see it.

Think of the gloss display as looking at a window. If you have more light behind you then you'll see the reflection, if there is more light behind the window you'll see it come through. For a candle in a dark room, you'll mostly see the outside, but you'll also get a strong reflection of the candle.
 
You're bitching about Gloss vs. Matte?

How about you bitch about TN vs PVA vs S/H-IPS.

What really is the lesser of two evils? The glare is atrocious with dark backgrounds in a room with light and the TN viewable angles are plain out embarrassing. Both issues are easily fixable though. You just buy a Mac that lets you BYOD. And that my friends (along with price), is why a lot of people are waiting for an updated Mac mini. It's just a shame Apple won't cooperate.

Nice work Mr. Jobs! Way to connect with your customers. :(
 
... When a screen cloth is included with your desktop computer you know there is a problem with the design and functionality of the product. :rolleyes:
This makes no sense.

I have an iMac with the glossy screen at work and an Apple Cinema display with a matte screen at home. They each came with (different) cloths for cleaning the screen. Whether or not a cleaning cloth is included in the box says virtually nothing about the design of a product.

As a user of both the glossy and the matte I can say that the matte ACD is of course better for colour reproduction. Most of that however is due to the screen part itself which is far far superior to the screen part used in the iMac (especially the 20" iMac).

While one would think the glossy screen would be a big problem, in practice, it just isn't that big of a deal. You stop noticing it really quickly once you actually use it.
 
Man if it is only penryn, then its very dissapointing.


Imac desperately needs new GFX card, hdmi, and just an updated spec sheet all around.

A new design would be great aswell. Perhaps a black Imac? a new mighty mouse?


apple can do better than just adding penryn. just going to penryn would add no performance enhancements for Imac. Penryn just dishes out less heat and is more battery efficent. penryn for is great for laptops, but who gives a crap about penryn in an imac?


now if they would add quad-core it would be sweet. or at least if the clock frequenc would be increased. high end imac is now what? 2,8 C2D.

then they could do a 3,5 GHz at least...


there is a reason why Imac is the best selling mac computer. its awesome. its minimalistic, all-in-one, easy-to-set-up, powerful-yet-sleek are all indicators of the time we live in.

we care about design. we care about technology. we want to buy less cheap-on-sale crap. we rather want more expenssive technology that will last us longer.

we want a mothership-computer where we will be able to have all our stuff in many years to come. our expectations are increased.

imac is the powerful everymans computer. its not for hardcore professionals like the mac pro, but its a tool-of-all-trade machine, that represents this decade we live in.


goddamit.
 
Screen

MacSE = Glossy
Mac LC 575 = Glossy
Mac 6300 = Glossy
iBook = Mat
MacBook Pro = Glossy
iMac = Glossy

Glossy = No problems.. I can adapt

stop ur whining
 
They're not going to update the Mac Mini because they're changing the form factor. The same lag happens whenever they make a major change to a product in the line-up. The best example I can remember is the 15" Ti PowerBooks not being updated to Aluminium. The 12" and 17" were introduced, and the 15" didn't receive an update for something like 12 or 13 months. They wanted to bring out the 15" aluminium PowerBook, wanted to wait until Paris (some time in September), and so we had 12" and 17" Aluminium Powerbooks, with a much different 15" Ti PowerBook that was severely outdated. Yes, Apple will wait ~1 year to update something if it works out better in their time-frame. Maybe we'll see a new Mac Mini at WWDC.


Anyway, I expect to see a new Mac Mini form factor at some time this year.
 
Graphics update or I'll have to buy and wipe/hack a beige box to get over 20 FPS in a modern game.


Good looking case, things coming out of it the case, not so much.
 
Its hard to use my glossy iMac during the day at home, there is a window 8ft behind me (with blinds closed) and the glare is very distracting. Now that the sun is out longer it is becoming even more bothersome in the early evening hours. So if the new iMac does not help with this issue I am forced to rearrange my room and get a new desk (L-shaped desk, I can't just reverse it) That's the only complaint I have about the current iMac :D

Your sig is wrong...

1) there is no 24" iMac G5
2) Fastest iMac G5 had 2.1 GHz processor

;)
 
what is the likelyhood of an imac with touch screen?


like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-d_CHY92Aw
not very likely. It seems far into the future even for Apple. However, it is possible... if it is released then whoo-hoo :D just hopefully it will look different then that concept that looks like a giant iPhone.

MacSE = Glossy
Mac LC 575 = Glossy
Mac 6300 = Glossy
iBook = Mat
MacBook Pro = Glossy
iMac = Glossy

Glossy = No problems.. I can adapt

stop ur whining
:) i can understand that glossy may be bothersome... maybe if your computer is outside and the sun is right behind you and you brightness is on 1, but if not, then it doesn't really bother me...

Anyway, I expect to see a new Mac Mini form factor at some time this year.
Hopefully we'll see something like the Open Computer from Psystar
 
MacSE = Glossy
Mac LC 575 = Glossy
Mac 6300 = Glossy
iBook = Mat
MacBook Pro = Glossy
iMac = Glossy

Glossy = No problems.. I can adapt

stop ur whining

MBP comes with a choice, matte or glossy, its free if you want glossy, but they ship with matte. I don't think anyone is saying you can't adapt to a glossy screen. The problem people have with only offering a glossy screen is that glossy screens have a perceived increase and tend to exaggerate colors and shade, to the point in which they over-saturate and have poorer grayscale accuracy. This makes glossy displays unsuitable for people who seek to use their computers for graphics (professional) work which requires color accuracy.
This point has been covered too many times and is a valid complaint for some.
 
then they could do a 3,5 GHz at least...

How could they do 3.5GHz? The highest frequency Core-based processor is the 3.4GHz Intel Xeon X5272. There are three MAJOR problems there: it's an 80-watt part, it requires a chipset supporting a 1.6GHz frontside bus and it's based on Socket 771. :confused:
 
Won't just be a Penryn

I suppose the one advantage of an iMac refresh that is nothing but a Penryn instead of a Memrom is it will keep the resale value of my 1st gen Al iMac high when it comes time to sell it for my Mac Pro. :cool:

But if I was in the market for an iMac, a straight CPU swap would make me mighty disappointed. :(
The upgrade will be more than just CPU. The GFX will get a bit of a bump (although there will still be plenty on these boards who will whine and complain about the new card), and the base RAM will be bumped to 2 GB. Also small bump in CPU speed (although the Extreme will likely remain the same).
 
I also noticed quite a few people are unhappy with the screens, although I cannot tell if it is just the 20" Imac screen or both the 20" and 24"?

I have witnessed some people on here hinting to the fact that they're picking up Mac Ram for quite reasonable prices, but as a PC guy, I have no idea what Ram Macs take or where to get it for inexpensive prices.

I believe it's the 20" that people are complaining about. The 24" has the same panel as the NEC 2490 (which is one of the best LCDs out there, if not the best), IIRC. You can go check out the lcd on the 24" yourself, it's gorgeous.

As far ram, you can just google and you'll find lots of places.
 
If I'm within the 14 day return period, can I upgrade to the new model w/o paying a restocking fee?

Just don't accept delivery and order another one :)

One problem with apple is that unless you cancel your order within minutes of placing it, it will be shipped and has to go through the whole process and get sent back ... kinda of bizarre i know! It happened to me once and i was surprised! i don't think it was more than an hour after placing the call! lol
 
My local Mac store has told me that both the iMac and Mac mini will be refreshed this week. I asked how they knew and they said that Apple told them.
 
hmm im guess proberbly 2.4 Ghz as a base....cant have the macbooks faster than the imacs!!!

and theyd better put 2gb of RAM in them....1gb just doesnt cut it for a £800 computer...i can get 4GB for that price in a PC.

I so agree. (no homo)
 
Come on Apple - gotta' do the Mini's too!!:mad:

I'm holding on to the very thin hope that the neglect the Mini is receiving portends an all-out replacement with a small form-factor tower with limited upgradeability. Maybe coinciding with a nice display refresh too, creating some lower priced monitors so as to give users the ability to buy a non all-in-one Mac without resorting to Psystar and their ilk and without having to drive the purchase cost up over $3000 (which I know some of you view as supremely reasonable but which will cause most buyers out there to burst out laughing.) As Apple attracts more and more PC users, it's my belief that Apple will benefit enormously by catering to the expectations that group will bring along. Apple may be able to entice PC users with the current consumer-level machines, but I don't think Apple is going to win them over long-term like that.
 
As exciting as new Apple products and updates are, I am more excited to see what they do with the mini since it is supposed to be a new design, and WHERE THE HE!! are new Cinema Displays for crying out loud??? I mean we have been expecting those since they discontinued the iSight like a year ago! Hello Apple??? :rolleyes:
 
Try doing these searches on google:

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"do not like glossy" imac
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"glossy crap" matte imac
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"eyes start to hurt" glossy matte imac
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"get a headache" glossy matte imac

Damn, my name came up in every one of those searches! ;)
 
MacSE = Glossy
Mac LC 575 = Glossy
Mac 6300 = Glossy
iBook = Mat
MacBook Pro = Glossy
iMac = Glossy

Glossy = No problems.. I can adapt

stop ur whining

It's remarkable how far with the knee-jerk defense some of you will go. It's easy to see that Apple has a display on their hands that is quite unpopular with a significant number of computer users. But let me follow the bouncing ball of your logic.

If it's okay for me, it must be okay with you because all human beings are exactly the same and have the same opinions/needs/desires.

Gotcha.

Think of some food that you absolutely despise or find repulsive: liver, spinach, cabbage, squid, whatever. Somewhere in the world there are people who love those foods. Go buy yourself some and eat it for the next week straight and "stop ur whining." If they like it, you must like it too. :rolleyes:
 
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