To everyone reporting getting multiple LG screens that exhibit the same issues. You do realise the reason might be because you keep getting the replacement from the same batch as your previous one?
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Retina 15" - Do all LG displays have image retention?
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I didn't have any image retention issues with my rMBP (LG screen) until late this week - I purchased it a week or two after the launch. I'm taking it into the Apple Store on Monday (got photos showing the retention issues) to see what they say about it.
then why does some of the 13 inch show the same problems?
i bought my first one right after the first release and the second one on late september. how long does a batch last? and why in that case does apple claim that this is normal?
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I have an LG display and it is flawless. I have been using it since mid july, so over 3 months now. The screen is immaculate and the picture is amazing. Besides for school work, i use LR4 and play cs:go. With both of these, the image stays on the screen for quite sometime and i have had no problems. I hope that helps.
I have an LG display and it is flawless. I have been using it since mid july, so over 3 months now. The screen is immaculate and the picture is amazing. Besides for school work, i use LR4 and play cs:go. With both of these, the image stays on the screen for quite sometime and i have had no problems. I hope that helps.
I was saying this purely because people are using the argument of multiple replacements as proof that 100% of displays have the issue. I just don't think that to be the case since a lot of people are also reporting no issues after months of use..
Based on the volume of complaints, it has to be more than a single batch of displays. But as for why some screens exhibit this immediately, some after several months, and some not at all is the question...
I can only notice IR when I do the 15 min checkerboard test with a certain background not in a real life situation. You have to keep in mind some people do the stupid test, notice a little IR then return it 5 times. Some people will say you'll get it no matter what and it'll get worse but not one person has shown me or explained why that will happen. Mac"rumors" not entirely facts.
Couldn't agree more, there are some real drama queens on the 6,432 different threads about this issue.
Judging by some of the comments on here there should be over 6 million RMBP's appearing as refurb on the Apple store any time now......
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I currently am using my 13th rMBP, and my 14th is expected to arrive next week. Each of the 11 out of 13 units I tested that were LG panels exhibited IR. Some units took a few days, a few weeks, or even up to 2 months to pronounce ghosting in mere seconds or several minutes. If any of you own an LG screen, I can assure you that IR will progressively get worse over time because you will see it on applications (iPhoto), the default Mac desktop wallpaper, and even working on projects in Photoshop or any CS6 suite. Also, I don't use any tests like the checkboard to check for IR, it's apparent when I close my browser and change my wallpaper to a dark gray background; at that point I witness outlines, words, or an image of what I was browsing.
I won't stop until I finally receive a Samsung display, or at least until the new 27" iMac is finally available. For those of you wondering why I didn't keep my Samsung displays (the 2 out of 13 units), it's because there were internal problems and backlight bleeding visible in any lighting condition. Also, as for screen replacements, I have already tried twice and didn't get a Samsung that wasn't yellow/pinkish and without backlight bleeding. In addition, I can't wait patiently for Apple to repair my machine when I have assignments to work on every day.
I won't stop until I finally receive a Samsung display, or at least until the new 27" iMac is finally available. For those of you wondering why I didn't keep my Samsung displays (the 2 out of 13 units), it's because there were internal problems and backlight bleeding visible in any lighting condition. Also, as for screen replacements, I have already tried twice and didn't get a Samsung that wasn't yellow/pinkish and without backlight bleeding. In addition, I can't wait patiently for Apple to repair my machine when I have assignments to work on every day.
I've just ordered a rMBP 15" (2.3/16/512) and am surprised that IR is still an issue even with the 13" models. The 13" rMBP was what I'd been holding out for, but see no reason to pay a premium for the smaller form factor. The 15" BTO price was almost identical to the 13" rMBP system I'd wanted, with a quad-core CPU, dedicated graphics and additional RAM!
I don't want to play roulette here but will of course be curious as to the panel's manufacturer as well as any signs of dead pixels, backlight bleeding or IR. Apple Care is a given with these machines and we all have 14 days to return them. But I just won't have the heart (or the determination) to swap out systems a dozen times until a Samsung arrives. Our best bet is probably to replace the display if IR becomes a problem.
Edit: After noting on the Apple Community Forums that the latest 15" models are being shipped with LG Displays I canceled my order. At the Apple Store I visited today (Zürich) all 13" rMBPs had LG Displays (Model No. 00000610). I think for now my best bet is to go for the 13" Air or wait 'til Haswell.
I don't want to play roulette here but will of course be curious as to the panel's manufacturer as well as any signs of dead pixels, backlight bleeding or IR. Apple Care is a given with these machines and we all have 14 days to return them. But I just won't have the heart (or the determination) to swap out systems a dozen times until a Samsung arrives. Our best bet is probably to replace the display if IR becomes a problem.
Edit: After noting on the Apple Community Forums that the latest 15" models are being shipped with LG Displays I canceled my order. At the Apple Store I visited today (Zürich) all 13" rMBPs had LG Displays (Model No. 00000610). I think for now my best bet is to go for the 13" Air or wait 'til Haswell.
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Haha yeah... I totally respect the fact that as a buyer of such a high-priced notebook, you want the best. But seriously... 14th laptop? I'd given up on a mac a long time ago.
It seems you have a self fulfilling prophecy. Why not stop trying to induce IR and just enjoy the machine. As many posters have stated IR can happen. It does not necessarily mean the machine is defective. One who self induces a problem and complains about it should examine himself. Maybe he's the problem,.
To Clarify: I know most (if not all) Samsung screens don't have this problem, so I'm only interested to hear from you who have LG screens and have had it for at least a couple of months.
dont mean to be funny , but many samsung screens have dead pixels, and my samsung screen was very dim, like max brightness was equivalent to 50% on my LG screen. If your that bothered then keep replacing till your happy
As I stated above, IR will progressively get worse over time and it wouldn't make any sense to settle with one, especially if you're a game designer, graphic designer, animator, architecture, or photographer. As an animation major, working on my projects to develop characters and compositions are far more difficult than it already is. Trying to figure out which vector line and choosing the precise color both become a problem in creating my drawings to animate. Also, IR is clearly visible within a few minutes on this current machine, which is nearly 2 weeks old and it's so obtrusive to the point of affecting my workflow.
If you own an LG rMBP, you will realize in due time this is not a "feature", as Apple states, but rather a defect since ONLY one manufacturer demonstrates this anomaly. Even Apple is aware that it is an issue. They are willing to replace the screen for a 'Samsung' panel only. If you're going to accept this as a feature, go right ahead. I however, will incessantly replace my rMBP until I receive a Samsung screen that's flawless and what I paid for.
What causes IR to get worse since you keep stating it does? How do you know this? Does IR get worse or do you just look for it harder/ pay attention to it more?
Lg panels are a different design then samsungs.
I keep hearing people say they are waiting til the next update to purchase a retina 15" and it baffles me to hear this because Samsung probably will not be providing Apple with screens anymore at that time. Good luck to those.
IR is a naturally induced anomaly on retina displays due to LGs flawed AH-IPS technology. I know because EVERY LG rMBP I used has demonstrated ghosting through personal experience. It gets worse because of heat, time usage, design technology and other variables. I do not inspect for it, I clearly see it apparent from the applications I work with and my desktop wallpaper.
If you own one than you will understand why this iis a problem that should be escalated further. Look at the Apple Support Community forum, there is hundreds of pages expressing customer dissatisfaction. In addition, now that the 13" rMBP has been confirmed of getting IR, that and the IR threads are just going to get bigger with complaints.
I've had 4 replacements, all for different (legitimate) reasons. My first 2 (original RMBP and first replacement) were Samsung and I thought they had a bit of a pinkish tint to them. My last 3 replacements have been LG and have had image retention. At this point I'm thinking about just having an Apple store replace the display because they have to be able to differentiate between their LG and Samsung models, right?
I've had my rmbp for about 2 months, with an LG panel, and I just started noticing IR today. However, it only occurs when I turn the brightness to 0. Sleeping the computer doesn't show IR. I did an SMC reset to no avail. This is weird, right?
Excuse my ignorance, how can I tell if my 15 inch rMBP has the LG or the Samsung display? Mine is not giving me any issues so far, but wonder which one I have.
Francisco
2.3Ghz 15.4 rMBP, 16GB, 512GB SDD
Francisco
2.3Ghz 15.4 rMBP, 16GB, 512GB SDD
After I stopped using the computer for a couple of hours it seems like my IR problem has stopped. Maybe it's heat related for the display?
Sure, but Apple made certain there won't be any discussion about who made those 13" screens.
Apple should probably sell the Samsung screens as an option.