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Retina Image Retention
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Oh no, I definitely did not call you a liar.
I just wanted more proof to be sure before going through the process of returning the MBP (which, I am otherwise quite happy with), and then ordering a brand new BTO Air. I'm not one to immediately demand brand new replacements from retailers, at their expense, just to make me happy.Nonetheless, it looks like I will need to begin the process soon, as it is not an issue worth living with.
Bear in mind that said IR test can actually cause any display to exhibit IR symptoms... At least it was the case for me with an old 2010 MBP17 as well as my girlfriend's 2007 white MacBook. And the demon plague of Image Retention was never mentioned in conjunction with either of these models, because simply put, they never exhibited image retention under normal use.
I don't mean to diminish the severity of the IR issues which plagued the initial run of LG displays on the 2012 rMBP--these were widespread and well documented--but it does bug me a bit when people go looking for faults in their brand new computers by subjecting them to extreme tests and then proclaiming "THIS MODEL IS DEFECTIVE!!" when they invariably find faults.
Ultimately, Apple will replace your display if it's legitimately defective. End of story.
That command only work on systems with a discrete gpu it seems.
If you have a system without a discrete gpu you can do the following :
System Preferences > Displays > Color Tab > open profile->scroll down to the mmod line->model number
Model A022=Samsung.
I have an LG display on my Haswell 15.4" rMBP but it uses a different revision than both the A00 A01 and A02 LG panels. Here is my code:
LP154WT1-SJE1
I think the command line test only works on the models with 750m like mine.
I have no image retention at all, zero, zilch, nada. I left the checkerboard test on the screen for 10 minutes, came back and turned it to the grey background, I saw no checkerboard ghosting at all.
LP154WT1-SJE1
I think the command line test only works on the models with 750m like mine.
I have no image retention at all, zero, zilch, nada. I left the checkerboard test on the screen for 10 minutes, came back and turned it to the grey background, I saw no checkerboard ghosting at all.
I ran the test, and it looks like it does appear, but very faint. In fact, it was too faint to even capture with my iPhone, but it is there.
My panel's info is as follows:
Manufacturer: 00000610
Model: 0000A020
So I called the Apple store and their recommendation (if I wanted to do an exchange) was to do a full return to a gift card, and purchase the Air that I want to build.
I'm still on the fence about this, as I don't want to give up this machine in case a permanent fix can be provided anytime soon within the coming year. To those who are abhorrently against taking this risk, I completely understand your point of view, and while the Air is a great machine in its own right, I do (otherwise) very much like my rMBP the way it is.
Nonetheless, I still have a little over a week to come to a decision...
My panel's info is as follows:
Manufacturer: 00000610
Model: 0000A020
So I called the Apple store and their recommendation (if I wanted to do an exchange) was to do a full return to a gift card, and purchase the Air that I want to build.
I'm still on the fence about this, as I don't want to give up this machine in case a permanent fix can be provided anytime soon within the coming year. To those who are abhorrently against taking this risk, I completely understand your point of view, and while the Air is a great machine in its own right, I do (otherwise) very much like my rMBP the way it is.
Nonetheless, I still have a little over a week to come to a decision...
I ran the test, and it looks like it does appear, but very faint. In fact, it was too faint to even capture with my iPhone, but it is there.
My panel's info is as follows:
Manufacturer: 00000610
Model: 0000A020
So I called the Apple store and their recommendation (if I wanted to do an exchange) was to do a full return to a gift card, and purchase the Air that I want to build.
I'm still on the fence about this, as I don't want to give up this machine in case a permanent fix can be provided anytime soon within the coming year. To those who are abhorrently against taking this risk, I completely understand your point of view, and while the Air is a great machine in its own right, I do (otherwise) very much like my rMBP the way it is.
Nonetheless, I still have a little over a week to come to a decision...
If there is any way you could try and take some video of this, it would be extremely appreciated. If you do please show that it is the new mbp by either taping the side vents or showing the system properties.
There is currently zero video proof of this problem happening with the new Oct 2013 mac books.
I ran the test, and it looks like it does appear, but very faint. In fact, it was too faint to even capture with my iPhone, but it is there.
My panel's info is as follows:
Manufacturer: 00000610
Model: 0000A020
So I called the Apple store and their recommendation (if I wanted to do an exchange) was to do a full return to a gift card, and purchase the Air that I want to build.
I'm still on the fence about this, as I don't want to give up this machine in case a permanent fix can be provided anytime soon within the coming year. To those who are abhorrently against taking this risk, I completely understand your point of view, and while the Air is a great machine in its own right, I do (otherwise) very much like my rMBP the way it is.
Nonetheless, I still have a little over a week to come to a decision...
It will quickly get worse and Apple will provide no fix as they havent so far. Let me remind you the problem is here since a year and a half ...
I can try, but again it is quite faint that it really does not show, and I don't want to be the first guinea pig to intentionally cause it if it was not going to happen naturally on its own, if you know what I mean?
I'll run the test a few more times soon and see what comes of it.
I know this may be obvious but when running the test do not look at your screen as your own eyes will fool you in to thinking there is image retention on the display.
When I tested I activate it and just looked away from the display (and left my mouse on the button to set the screen to grey) then I clicked the button before looking at the display.
Again this may be obvious to some of you but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
When I tested I activate it and just looked away from the display (and left my mouse on the button to set the screen to grey) then I clicked the button before looking at the display.
Again this may be obvious to some of you but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
Absolutely! If you look at it there will be image retention on your own retina
10 months with a mid 2012 15" rMBP here and no signs of IR at all yet. (LG screen)
I'll keep looking though
That's great news. Gives me confidence in the longevity of my own LG display.
Lol, we'll see
I did buy Applecare so I am not as time pressured as some people.
To be absolutely honest I've even tried to see any IR.
I'll have a dark background on the desktop and open a Safari window, for instance.
When I close the window I stare at the dark background trying to see any kind of light coloured IR.
There is none whatsoever on mine. So far
Here is the requested proof of the image retention on the late 2013 rMBP:
http://youtu.be/qCPYJnsWbuo
I just uploaded it now, so give it a few minutes to let it process. But the video should show that IR does exist.
Now to put it into context, within the time it took me to figure out how to upload the above video (2-3 minutes?), the checkerboard has dispersed from my screen. Whether if this spells long term issues or not, I leave it up for you to decide.
http://youtu.be/qCPYJnsWbuo
I just uploaded it now, so give it a few minutes to let it process. But the video should show that IR does exist.
Now to put it into context, within the time it took me to figure out how to upload the above video (2-3 minutes?), the checkerboard has dispersed from my screen. Whether if this spells long term issues or not, I leave it up for you to decide.
That isn't what I would call IR, to be honest. To qualify as IR it would need to remain on the screen and interfere with new screen content.
Some of that effect could be coming from your own eyes (and mine).
I would suggest that any screen would show some IR when you place black and white blocks on the screen then look at it and then take the blocks away then look at it again. You're still seeing what was there rather than what is there.
Just my own view, you understand
Some of that effect could be coming from your own eyes (and mine).
I would suggest that any screen would show some IR when you place black and white blocks on the screen then look at it and then take the blocks away then look at it again. You're still seeing what was there rather than what is there.
Just my own view, you understand
It is too soon to detect whether any of the late 2013 models have IR. Having the test for 30 minutes and then changing it to gray (while looking at it) will trick you eyes and cause the image to display the previous image - such as looking at an image for too long (except a black/white checkerboard will cause this to happen much quicker).
My 2008 mac fails this test. So does my iPad 2. If you don't experience image retention under normal use - it is not image retention. A few months down the line we will see if this is the case, but as of right now it is too early...
My 2008 mac fails this test. So does my iPad 2. If you don't experience image retention under normal use - it is not image retention. A few months down the line we will see if this is the case, but as of right now it is too early...
The ability of some people to deny reality regarding this issue amazes me. Anyway this will be my last post about that matter as people seems to have their own opinion already. Guess there is going to have a lot of pissed of / sad people in the coming months when they will realize they just spent 2000$ for something defective but it´s a free country so enjoy
That isn't what I would call IR, to be honest. To qualify as IR it would need to remain on the screen and interfere with new screen content.
Some of that effect could be coming from your own eyes (and mine).
I would suggest that any screen would show some IR when you place black and white blocks on the screen then look at it and then take the blocks away then look at it again. You're still seeing what was there rather than what is there.
Just my own view, you understand
I'm in agreement with you. After making the video and reviewing it, I'm not so sure how convinced I am of this issue myself (in the short term at least), as I doubt I will be sitting in front of a checkered pattern any further.
I leave it up to the you guys to make up your own minds about IR in general. IndoX is correct though that it is too soon to tell any long term effects.With that said, those were the stipulations for the requested proof so I provided what I could; I apologize for the poor camera work as it is quite hard to capture with my iPhone 5. Reviewing the video on YouTube, I noticed it is very hard to make out the boxes; so here is a Drop Box link to the actual movie itself:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9n0rinphviw5zwu/Video Oct 28, 10 28 21 PM.mov
I have to ask though, are there any 13" 2012 rMBP owners that have reported this issue? It seems to me it is 15" owners that have been quite vocal about this.
For me, if this is the extent of the problem, even my iPad Mini is a victim of IR.
I have ultimately decided to keep my rMBP and deal with the consequences as/if they come along. Even with this potential "risk" the screen is too good to give up and the machine itself is quite excellent as it is that I don't want to "settle" for a MBA. Had there been an option for a Retina MBA, this would be an easy matter to settle, but alas, we play with the cards we are dealt. 
No I had a 13" rmbp from mid 2013 with the supposed new screens and IR started after 3/4 months of use. At the time I decided not to test it for retention out of the box and just use it normally as if i was not aware of the issue hoping I would never notice anything under normal use but as I said months later I was able to see my Facebook chat window on my desktop wallpaper so I had to get rid of the computer. It's what going to happen to every 13" user but no one seems to care or beleive it which starts to pisses me of a bit. Anyway good luck.
Some say it's been fixed. Some say all 13" panels have or will have severe IR, etc., etc. There's a lot of stuff out there being tossed around as fact but it's all just speculation. If the apple support threads are anything to go by, there have been far fewer complaints about the second revision panels so far. Will it remain that way? No one knows. Anyone who claims to is talking out of their ass.