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Yes, jumping 2 processor generations, adding a screen with the same PPI as the iPhone 5s (but nearly 4 times as large0), keeping the battery life the same, and the weight virtually the same is "cutting corners big time."

When the larger iPad is better, it is cutting corners. The ipad mini retina's price was already increased from last year's model, why not increase it a bit more and give the same experience as the full sized ipad.
 
* The Nexus 7 display is too narrow.
* Gamut issues on the iPad Mini.
* iPad Air doesn't have speakers that fill the room with rich bass.
* Nexus 5 camera is average
* iPhone 5S only has a 4 inch screen

See, there are always flaws in everything....

Nexus 7 display is 16:9, so it's actually perfectly proportional for all consumer media.
 
huh? the iPhone 5/5S and Nexus 7 both are 16:9. So if you use an iPhone you should be used to that same aspect ratio...

He kinda has a point...kinda. I wouldn't browse on a Nexus 7 in landscape because it does cut off a lot more than the iPad would. The 4:3 screen is the better option, and I wish someone besides Apple (or HP, but that was only for, like, 5 minutes) would offer up a tablet with that aspect ratio.

...but I also wouldn't call it unusable. It's just not as nice in comparison.
 
Bull. The 8.9" Kindle Fire HDX also features an LTPS display.

Stop making excuses for Apple, they pay PR flacks good money to do that job.

They sell 1 maybe 2 million of these a year. Apple needs to produce that many in a week.

BIG difference

Also the Kindle Fire HDX is not as pixel dense as the retina mini
 
Not really a tablet guy, but after handling an iPad Air in the store the other day, the first thing that came to mind was, "Why would anyone get a Mini?"

Don't the new form factor and weight of the Air make the Mini virtually redundant?

For a $100 more (and a negligible increase in size and weight), the Air would be a no-brainer for me if I was looking to get an iPad... But hey, to each their own.

well if you're like me and you're a gamer or use it on a bus, the full sized ipad just isn't that convenient. especially in landscape gaming mode, it's way too large.
 
He kinda has a point...kinda. I wouldn't browse on a Nexus 7 in landscape because it does cut off a lot more than the iPad would. The 4:3 screen is the better option, and I wish someone besides Apple (or HP, but that was only for, like, 5 minutes) would offer up a tablet with that aspect ratio.

...but I also wouldn't call it unusable. It's just not as nice in comparison.

I will agree with you on the point and offer up my interjection that all consumer and professional digital and view-able media should have a format standard. And I know that's tough to argue b/c if we go back a hundred years to the aspect ratio of film, etc., etc., etc... ...Idk what point I'm trying to make but it's in there... :D
 
They sell 1 maybe 2 million of these a year. Apple needs to produce that many in a week.

BIG difference

Also the Kindle Fire HDX is not as pixel dense as the retina mini

The point is that the same type of LTPS displays are used in a multitude of high pixel density devices, including iPhones and both the 7" and 8.9" Fire HDX (339 PPI), demonstrating that it is possible to produce millions of LTPS displays per week.

You do realize that display production is coordinated with the design of a product, right? Apple doesn't just look at the market and say, "who's currently making 50 million 7.9" IGZO displays a year that we can buy?" LOL.
 
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I will agree with you on the point and offer up my interjection that all consumer and professional digital and view-able media should have a format standard. And I know that's tough to argue b/c if we go back a hundred years to the aspect ratio of film, etc., etc., etc... ...Idk what point I'm trying to make but it's in there... :D

It'd be nice, but the thing is, what works well for one form of media doesn't work well for another. Until we've got screens you can stretch in and out to fit what you're doing, we gotta make a sacrifice somewhere.

Personally, I think Apple should make something that can display old Cinemascope movies without any letterboxing. That'd be all kinds of awesome...

Iphone-long-future.jpg
 
It'd be nice, but the thing is, what works well for one form of media doesn't work well for another. Until we've got screens you can stretch in and out to fit what you're doing, we gotta make a sacrifice somewhere.

Personally, I think Apple should make something that can display old Cinemascope movies without any letterboxing. That'd be all kinds of awesome...

Or an Imax iPad! That would rule!

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The difference is you can actually adjust a TV's colors if they're not to your liking.

You can't adjust the size of the color gamut on any display, it's set by hardware design.
 
Not really a tablet guy, but after handling an iPad Air in the store the other day, the first thing that came to mind was, "Why would anyone get a Mini?"

Don't the new form factor and weight of the Air make the Mini virtually redundant?

For a $100 more (and a negligible increase in size and weight), the Air would be a no-brainer for me if I was looking to get an iPad... But hey, to each their own.

Actually, I'd flip it on you... Both the updated Mini and the Air have the same resolution, so you gain no screen real estate by going with the Air. For $100 less you get something that's more portable, lighter, and has a higher pixel density, which means crisper text and sharper photos. This assumes, of course, that everything else is equal. That's what's frustrating about the revelations regarding the quality of the rMini's screen; now we have to choose between a compromised product or a form factor that doesn't fit our needs (or we would've just bought an Air to begin with). It's a no-win situation either way, really.
 
It'd be nice, but the thing is, what works well for one form of media doesn't work well for another. Until we've got screens you can stretch in and out to fit what you're doing, we gotta make a sacrifice somewhere.

Personally, I think Apple should make something that can display old Cinemascope movies without any letterboxing. That'd be all kinds of awesome...

Iphone-long-future.jpg

Agreed... and strong lol at that pic
 
First off, if that were true, we wouldn't have an entire thread ...
It is true.
Cost doesn't always equate to quality.
Thank you Cpt. Obvious for pointing out the already known.
Sometimes you can and do pay more for less.
Not if I can avoid it.
It's your job to be astute and aware enough to know when it's happening, not to defend a product when it falls below your standards because of the reputation of the brand.
You don't say.
Which leads to my second point. Spending more doesn't mean you have class, taste, or wealth.
Cpt. Obvious has a second point.
Some of the wealthiest people I know are utter cheapskates who'd argue with you over the cost of a dime.
Do you have more arguments to defend no one ever doubted?
Now I'm not gonna say that Apple is for poseurs, but much like anything that has a reputation for quality, it does have that draw.
I don't care about poseurs. Why do you?
Apple products are relatively inexpensive enough that those who want to look like they have wealth and taste without actually having it can easily afford it.
If you say so.
A thousand dollar computer is a far, far cry from a $90,000+ car.
More like €40.000+ including VAT and that is roughly double the prize of a normal car. Much like a MacBook costs roughly double the amount of a normal notebook.
So don't go around saying Apple isn't for "normal people". They are.
Apple is for people who want something better than normal and are willing to pay twice as much to get it. And because of that, they can't fall behind in something as crucial as screen quality. The iPad mini has failed its Elk-Test.
They're a pricier option than most, but not so outrageous ole Billy Trailer Park can't save up a couple of paychecks and buy one himself.
So your definition of luxury is something unreachable. Now try to think of another meaning of the word.
Don't confuse the amount you spend on something as being indicative of your refined taste and discernment.
Many thanks for another unnecessary warning.
 
You can't adjust the size of the color gamut on any display, it's set by hardware design.
No, but you can adjust many characteristics of the image within the hardware limits, so at least you can adjust the picture much more to your taste.
 
So your definition of luxury is something unreachable.

You're the one who said most "normal" people don't buy Apple, as if it's something exclusive, only enjoyed by a select few.

More like €40.000+ including VAT and that is roughly double the prize of a normal car. Much like a MacBook costs roughly double the amount of a normal notebook.

Cost is relative. A candy bar that costs $3 vs. other candy bars that only cost $1.50 doesn't make it a "luxury" candy bar.
 
My mini arrived today and been comparing it with the Air. Didn't think i'd notice it but the difference is quite stark.
 
Nexus 7 display is 16:9, so it's actually perfectly proportional for all consumer media.

I didn't realize widescreen television comprised ALL of consumer media.

Websites aren't best rendered in 16:9. There's a reason most desktop monitors are 16:10 or even narrower... and that's even with their much larger size.

Most digital and 35mm photography is 4:3.

Screen height is the same, so 4:3 allows less compromise. Sure you will have letter-boxing for wide screen media, but the video is the same size as the Nexus 7. But when I'm not watching the occasional movie or TV show, I'm surfing the web... reading a book... playing a game... looking at photos... Facetime/Skyping... All things I'm happier to have that 4:3 real estate for.
 
Jesus you're dense. The point is that the same type of LTPS displays are used in a multitude of high pixel density devices, including iPhones and both the 7" and 8.9" Fire HDX (339 PPI), demonstrating that it is possible to produce millions of LTPS displays per week.

You do realize that display production is coordinated with the design of a product, right? Apple doesn't just look at the market and say, "who's currently making 50 million 7.9" IGZO displays a year that we can buy?" LOL.

Unless you have an inside man at apple I think its all speculation anyways.
You have your opinion on why apple chose IGZO (Apple is cheap and doesn't really care about quality), and I have mine (Apple was not convinced that mass production of LTPS at 7.9" and 326ppi on the scale needed for the rMini was possible)
 
Putting my retina iPad mini next to my iPhone 5, I could hardly see any difference. I still admire the brilliance and quality of the screen each time I use it. Seems like a lot of this is being blown out of proportion by iPad air owners bashing the iPad mini in order to justify their purchase. I have found this to be quite a common occurrence with competing products. Same thing happened with Xbox one vs ps4 :rolleyes:

Go open Candy Crush on both your iPhone 5 and Retina Mini. Then look at the purple candy and look how washed out it is on the mini. That's because of how off the blues are on the gamut

I don't care for Apple stuff much anymore but I bought my girl a 64 GB LTE Retina Mini over the weekend, which from observation was pretty much destined to be a $700 Candy Crush / iMessage / Facebook / Pinterest machine. After opening Candy Crush she noticed the color difference right away and I went on the net to figure out if I'd bought a defective device.

Nope, looks like Apple either f'd up or didn't care
 
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