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Retina iPad Mini's Display Criticized Over Poor Color Gamut and Accuracy
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Soiled big boy pants.
But no worries we all know that if it's Apple, it's "Magical & Revolutionary"
It's easy to sell vast quantities to the average Billy Lunchbucket
There are no apple ipad retina devices with just A6. Considering the fact that ios7 is slow as hell i doubt apple graciously gave us A7 from the sincere bottom of their hearts.
Anyway perfection is in the eye of the beholder. Its evident from this thread that people are disappointed in yet another compromise in an apple device. My argument is that its ridiculous posters like you dont think we should hold apple to a higher standard
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Your assumption is that we're complaining that apple cant fit everything in a $399 package. I cant speak for all but i would be more than willing to pay 450 for a better screen. A compromise is a compromise.
Do people still read anandtech?
Seriously read a real site like Jim Dalrymple's Loop Insight or John Gruber's Daring Fireball for a real take on technology. Both of them posted glowing reviews of the iPad Mini with Retina Display and there was no mention of the gamut in either review. Both Jim and John have impeccable standards and demand the best from their devices and they highly recommended the Retina Mini. That was good enough for me to make the purchase of an iPad Mini with Retina Display and i could not be happier.
What a joke.
Anand is doing science, his tests are repeatable and his findings are verifiable. If something is wrong with his numbers, we will learn about it soon enough. Apple itself will disclaim all accusations of lower color gamut, if they are wrong.Do people still read anandtech?
Gruber himself linked on Anands "effusive" review and cited the one paragraph about the iPad minis color gamut gap to other smaller tablets in this price range.
Sharp and LG are fully capable of making 100% sRGB panels. Apple ordered narrower gamut panels, be it to save on money, battery life, heat, or all 3.
The iPad mini 1 had a very bad screen and that fact was mentioned in every review of the device. If you didn't listen until suddenly, that's your fault. The problem however was largely misattributed to the non-retina resolution alone. But now with the iPad mini 2, being the first device to combine high-resolution with low-color-gamut, we can judge the effect on its own and it looks horrible.
How am I being ridiculous? I hold Apple to high standards. It's just that for me color gamut isn't as important on an iPad. I think a lot more people would notice. $450 price tag than a 63% sRGB color gamut. If it's important to you, there are other choices, from Apple and others. But don't dismiss those of us as "ridiculous" just because we don't have the same priorities as you.
As for iOS 7 I suspect the speed issues are software, not hardware. Also, Apple has Retina devices running on the A4, and the iPad 3 ran an A5X, so I'm sure Apple could have created an A6 variant for the mini if they wanted to. I think it made lots of sense to go with the A7, not least of which is the transition to 64-bit. But let's be objective here. Last year Apple gave us a choice between the latest and greatest iPad 4, and essentially large and small versions of the iPad 2. This year the difference between the iPad Air and Retina iPad mini comes down to a single specification (color gamut). It is not an insignificant spec, but clearly the two 2013 products are a lot closer than their 2012 counterparts were.
I'm curious--For those of you keeping the rMini, who will be upgrading to the new one next year, assuming Apple increases the color gamut?
For me, as someone who can't afford to invest in a new tablet every year, getting something that I will be happy with for 2 or 3 years is important, which is why I held off on the first mini, and may have to hold off on the second if it looks bad to me (haven't seen it in person yet). So I'm just wondering how much economics has to do with the nature of everyone's comments, i.e. how picky one is with the quality of components.
For me, as someone who can't afford to invest in a new tablet every year, getting something that I will be happy with for 2 or 3 years is important, which is why I held off on the first mini, and may have to hold off on the second if it looks bad to me (haven't seen it in person yet). So I'm just wondering how much economics has to do with the nature of everyone's comments, i.e. how picky one is with the quality of components.
This thread is now 17 pages long. If you removed the posts from every person who didn't know or care about gamut 24 hours ago, it would maybe be 4 pages long.
This is yet another one of those issues that people are chomping at the bit to have a knee jerk reaction over. We live in the golden age of entitlement and instant outrage at the slightest hint of not getting everything we "deserve", with complete and utter disregard for actual need or feasibility.
This is yet another one of those issues that people are chomping at the bit to have a knee jerk reaction over. We live in the golden age of entitlement and instant outrage at the slightest hint of not getting everything we "deserve", with complete and utter disregard for actual need or feasibility.
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No one's saying anything about them "deserving" it. It's just kinda disappointing that people expecting the same screen quality they get out of the bigger iPads aren't getting it here. It's not like expecting blue to be on your screen is asking for too much.
The only thing I find funny is how all the people who will slam the competition over every little nitpick they can are so forgiving when Apple drops the ball on the exact same thing.
OLOL CRAPPY SCREENS ON ANDROID CRAP THIS IS WHY I BUY APPLE NO ONE ELSE EVER GETS IT RIGHT BUT THEM!
oh wait...
RETINA IPAD MINI HAS BAD COLORS WHATEVER LIKE ANYONE WILL NOTICE THAT SHUT UP WHINERS OLOL!
Exactly. As it has been said numerous times before, most of these people have probably never once considered calibrating their televisions, if they even noticed that they "didn't have all the gamuts" in the first place.
This is why you wait to read reviews before buying any product. Yes, even Apple products. Apple has NEVER made a perfect product. Nobody has ever made a perfect product. Every single thing that any human has ever created is a product of utility and compromise. Color accuracy is what got compromised here. Did anyone seriously expect Apple to advertise the decreased color accuracy in the retina mini? Of course not! When I go in for a job interview, I'm not going to brag about that one time I skipped class my freshman year of college.
It is what it is. The retina mini has an inferior display to the iPad Air. If it bugs you, get the iPad Air. If you're so enraged about the big, bad, evil CrApple lying to you that you won't even consider the Air, go get a Nexus 7. Once you whine your way into returning the Nexus 7 for *insert issue here*, buy a Surface 2. Once you whine your way in to returning that, etc. etc. etc.
To all the people saying color reproduction doesn't matter at all, how many of you would be alright with Apple using cheap $50 Acer TN panels in the next iMac?
It's not like anyone will notice it, right? Who cares?
It's not like anyone will notice it, right? Who cares?
Take a look at one and see what you think. I would venture to guess that most who see one in person will be satisfied with how it looks.
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I'd be cool with that. I have no intentions of buying an iMac.
I'd be cool with that. I have no intentions of buying an iMac.
But if you did, I bet you'd be real mad about it.
I certainly would. And I would hate to see Apple do that even though it's not a product I'm interested in at the moment. But I honestly think that the mini looks fine.
Who exactly is saying color representation doesn't matter at all? I haven't seen anyone suggest that. I call straw man.
Eh. I'm kind of a stickler for this stuff, and the yellowed screen would bother the hell out of me. Everything's gonna look warmer and a little more faded on it than it would the iPad 3/4/Air.
It's not terrible, but I was expecting more.
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What do you think color gamut is?
The point is, no one is saying it doesn't matter to the point of putting in a crappy 90s panel. You're warping the conversation.
Saying the current panel is good enough for most people is totally different from saying it doesn't matter what panel you use at all. And you know it.
Yeah, I'm going a little overboard, but it's kind of obnoxious having someone call you an entitled whiner and giving blanket statements about how it doesn't matter over something that's been one of the biggest selling points of the iDevice line since at least the iPhone 4.
Like I said, it's not terrible, but it is bad enough that it's immediately noticeable by anyone coming from one of the earlier big iPads. For those of us looking forward to a high quality iPad screen with all its rich colors and smooth edged glory in a smaller package, it's gonna be a bit of a letdown.
The Nexus 7 is the tablet to beat in this space. It has a better screen for half the money. In fact, I picked one up for $179 at Staples over the weekend.
I am one of the pickier bastards here. And I am using a retina mini. And I can tell you that the pixel count alone is worth the price of admission. Period. I'm a photo retoucher by trade. I am paid to spot things most people would probably overlook three times.
Would it be great to have an identical screen to the Air? Sure. Would it be great to have an even thicker battery in the Mini, or have it overheat, or cost even more? Not so much.
People can talk all they want about this tablet or that tablet having a better display. But those tablets are not the Mini. They don't run iOS. They don't run my $500 worth of apps. They don't blend seamlessly with my iPhone. My MacBook. My Apple TV. Who cares if their displays are better if they display an OS I don't want, sandwiched in cheesy plastic?
A Range Rover has much more durable tires than a Rolls-Royce. But wait, a Rolls-Royce costs a lot more, and isn't it supposed to be the best? Do you see anyone driving a Rolls with off road tires?
Sometimes the parts are lesser than the sum, but it doesn't always mean the sum is compromised.
People need to stop cherry picking things to compare. It doesn't work like that.
And I'm not sure what you mean "smooth edged" glory. The mini is every bit as smooth, if not smoother, pixel wise, than the Air or any other tablet.
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Gamut-gate. Hilarious.
The iPad Mini will sell millions.
I happily chucked my better gamut Nexus 7 for an iPad rMini, and I have no intention of going back.
The iPad Mini will sell millions.
I happily chucked my better gamut Nexus 7 for an iPad rMini, and I have no intention of going back.
I think I'd have to see them side by side with the same image displayed, same brightness level to be able to see the difference. To me it's like going to Best Buy and looking at the wall with 50 TV's. You can see subtle differences when they are side by side or when one screen is absolutely horrible the difference is quite obvious. But if I took any one of the decent quality sets home, I don't think I'd be watching a movie and wishing that the whites were a bit whiter, etc because I wouldn't have anything to directly compare it to. If it looks good to me, I'm happy. Until I find out that other people say that whatever I bought doesn't look good. Then I'd be upset.
The Air is really nice and so far we are happy with it.