Did you test the fullscreen transition in iPhoto? That was the worst. And was this integrated (automatic) graphics or forced discrete?
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Retina MBP UI performance - with video
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Did you test the fullscreen transition in iPhoto? That was the worst. And was this integrated (automatic) graphics or forced discrete?
No need for apologies, that does look tons smoother than what the original video showed. Still though, I wish you did the full screen entry/exit test.
Yeah, I left before I realized this was something that people wanted to actually see in a video...
I can assure you though, I full screened all the stock apps and the slowest was probably Final Cut. But, the difference was unnoticeable.
I just went to my local Apple store and compared MB Air and Retina MBP and the scrolling performance of the new Retina MBP in Safari is really underwhelming. It jitters and there is a strong scroll lag. I tried this on several computers and made sure scaling was disabled. My best guess is that the HD 4000 is underpowered to push this amount of pixels.
Good thing is that I can still cancel my online order and see if they fix this. I am not going to spend $2.8k for a laptop that can not even scroll smoothly. A store employee said that if smooth scrolling is important to me then he can understand if I cancel my order.
Aside from that, it is a great-looking machine. If it were up to me, they should also offer a non-Retina version with the new chassis.
Good thing is that I can still cancel my online order and see if they fix this. I am not going to spend $2.8k for a laptop that can not even scroll smoothly. A store employee said that if smooth scrolling is important to me then he can understand if I cancel my order.
Aside from that, it is a great-looking machine. If it were up to me, they should also offer a non-Retina version with the new chassis.
I went to the store to test this for myself, rMBA had noticeable lag and low fps with any quick window movement and scrolling, switching to discrete graphics did not help. I also tested the regular 15" MBP and it did not lag. I tested multiple display models so don't listen to the fanboys who tell you it's running smoothly. Is this something they can fix with an update/new OS or is the hardware just poorly matched for the retina screen?
It has been claimed that this is fixed with the latest software update but no one has confirmed it yet.
Yes, obviously it's edited. It makes perfect sense that I would go through the trouble of editing and faking a movie to make the screen animations look jerky, because I somehow have a vested interest in doing so.... and because I have tons of free time on my hands.
(people like you think the moon landing was faked)
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OK, I undid the Youtube image stabilization. Now the video is reverted to its original form (straight off my iPhone 4S). Sorry for the shakiness, I tried to let youtube fix it... that didn't work out so well apparently.
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Yeah but they finished the battery testing at 2.6Ghz. The wattage is greater or equal to that of the 2.3Ghz. I don't see why it wouldn't be any shorter.
Also CNET has brought out their review and video playback reached 7 hours. (at 2.3Ghz).
I demo'd the base mode in-store today. With default scaling and using the HD4000, there was some noticeable lag in the UI animations (entering/exiting fullscreen mode in an app, launchpad fading in/out, etc). It got worse as the scaling options were increased.
Well, the video posted at the end of previous page really didn't look like low fps or laggy at all. I really don't get how switching to discrete gpu wouldn't help or make difference. 650M is multiple times faster... unless the problem has more to do with CPU than GPU. I wonder if 2.6Ghz model would show any difference at all.
I see by your comment you haven't installed Lion yet.
Well, 10.7.4 isn't so bad...but 10.7 to 10.7.3 was a mess. So, yes, Apple does ship products with a questionable interface.
Post to be down graded in 3... 2... 1...
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Yes, obviously it's edited. It makes perfect sense that I would go through the trouble of editing and faking a movie to make the screen animations look jerky, because I somehow have a vested interest in doing so.... and because I have tons of free time on my hands.
(people like you think the moon landing was faked)
*edit*
OK, I undid the Youtube image stabilization. Now the video is reverted to its original form (straight off my iPhone 4S). Sorry for the shakiness, I tried to let youtube fix it... that didn't work out so well apparently.
Sir, you did edit the video probably to trim length or get rid of unwanted clip. I didn't mean to raise doubt on your truthfulness, I merely implied that editing will degrade video quality and lead to end result difficult to be analyzed over YouTube.
That would be interesting if it were due to the slower processor. Could you go to washingtonpost.com let if fully load and then do a fast two-finger swipe to scroll? It scrolled smoothly on the MBA but not on the rMBP in the Apple store.
Thanks!
Safari 5 performance sucks. I would not make a purchase decision on it because Safari 6 will be way better, way better. Entirely new rendering path and new javascript engine. OTOH, if you want to wait until Safari 6 comes out that's entirely reasonable. For me, I'd just get it and deal with it. (Or use Safari 6 if you're in the developer program.)
i've tried lion before. other than longer waking times, not sure what the problem with it is?
scrolling is NOT smooth in safari, even after the updates but it is smooth in chrome canary, so i believe its a safari issue. it really isn't bothering me as its not that bad but it is noticeable. I'm on ios6 and of course posting to youtube seems to not work.....emailing from my phone compresses the file into 360p quality.
I just spent 15 mins playing with retina MBP at Valley Fair and spoke with a genius for the whole time. We tested laggyness using Gamespot.com in all 5 resolutions and with discreet graphic forced on or not forced on.
Objective conclusion:
Slight amount of lag was seen at resolution scaled above natural one. No lag was seen for lower resolution.
At any resolution, I did not notice any pixelation (I was very surprised). When I looked closely (2 inch from screen) I could see slightly more blurry text. This is not observable at normal distance. Overall I believe this computer has achieved resolution independency.
The lag at higher resolutions only showed when I scrolled the page very quickly. (fast enough to allow momentum to scroll)
If you scroll slowly, page renders smoothly.
I also opened 20 pages and switched between desktop and browser. No lag was actually seen.
Lag developed more severely after I exited the forced discreet mode. (I was in that mode the whole time.) lag did not go away even switching back to forced discreet mode until I restarted.
The genius told me these Mac do not have the correct graphic driver due to being display models.
Now, my personally subjective opinion:
I am a very picky person and was skeptical about the screen after hearing so many horror stories here. I really wanted to check it out so I could decide if I should cancel my online order.
My biggest concerns were not lag, but how he screen would look when scaled. I definitely do not want my computers to look like iPad running iPhone in pixel double mode. I also was afraid a degradation of quality when I scale up to 1650x1050, since I am used to that resolution. You know when you lower resolution on laptop screen you get these broken lines and ugly rendering?
Well, none of these happened (surprisingly). I was really impressed by the fact that a 1680x1050 mode looks just like a native 1680x1050 screen (unless of course I look 2 inches away). This is a tremendous win for me as I must work at a resolution higher than 1440x900.
Secondly, the lag is really not that noticeable. I would say the benefit of the retina and the sometime lower refresh rate in very demanding situation is a wash.
I decided to keep my order. After all, what is the alternative? It costs more to order a MBP 15 with matte screen, 256 SSD and 8gb ram. Why will I pay more to get the same spec, and a heavier machine, just so I could avoid some "lag?" so yeah I will keep my retina MBP.
Lastly, I want to point out that the machine is noticeably thinner. Also, it's a lot lighter than my current MBP. I had my current computer with me in store and I lifted them up separately multiple times. I could clearly notice how much lighter it is. It def is not like an Air, but light enough to make a big impact in my daily life.
I am sure Apple will improve the driver as well
Objective conclusion:
Slight amount of lag was seen at resolution scaled above natural one. No lag was seen for lower resolution.
At any resolution, I did not notice any pixelation (I was very surprised). When I looked closely (2 inch from screen) I could see slightly more blurry text. This is not observable at normal distance. Overall I believe this computer has achieved resolution independency.
The lag at higher resolutions only showed when I scrolled the page very quickly. (fast enough to allow momentum to scroll)
If you scroll slowly, page renders smoothly.
I also opened 20 pages and switched between desktop and browser. No lag was actually seen.
Lag developed more severely after I exited the forced discreet mode. (I was in that mode the whole time.) lag did not go away even switching back to forced discreet mode until I restarted.
The genius told me these Mac do not have the correct graphic driver due to being display models.
Now, my personally subjective opinion:
I am a very picky person and was skeptical about the screen after hearing so many horror stories here. I really wanted to check it out so I could decide if I should cancel my online order.
My biggest concerns were not lag, but how he screen would look when scaled. I definitely do not want my computers to look like iPad running iPhone in pixel double mode. I also was afraid a degradation of quality when I scale up to 1650x1050, since I am used to that resolution. You know when you lower resolution on laptop screen you get these broken lines and ugly rendering?
Well, none of these happened (surprisingly). I was really impressed by the fact that a 1680x1050 mode looks just like a native 1680x1050 screen (unless of course I look 2 inches away). This is a tremendous win for me as I must work at a resolution higher than 1440x900.
Secondly, the lag is really not that noticeable. I would say the benefit of the retina and the sometime lower refresh rate in very demanding situation is a wash.
I decided to keep my order. After all, what is the alternative? It costs more to order a MBP 15 with matte screen, 256 SSD and 8gb ram. Why will I pay more to get the same spec, and a heavier machine, just so I could avoid some "lag?" so yeah I will keep my retina MBP.
Lastly, I want to point out that the machine is noticeably thinner. Also, it's a lot lighter than my current MBP. I had my current computer with me in store and I lifted them up separately multiple times. I could clearly notice how much lighter it is. It def is not like an Air, but light enough to make a big impact in my daily life.
I am sure Apple will improve the driver as well
I don't have a developer account but if Safari 6 runs better then this might solve the problem. It's a bit sad to get a new computer and the graphic performance of my 4-year old unibody MBP appears to be better when browsing the web using Safari 5.1.7. I was planning on getting the new MBP mainly for processing thousands of RAW files in Bridge and Photoshop, the old MBP is starting to struggle despite 8 GB RAM. I also read something about 'tearing' when the rMBP is attached to the 24'' ACD, which is my current external monitor.