Including the 450h+ plug in hybrid?I drove this last week. Still the noisy cvt-like transmission. Feels much slower than it actually is.
Including the 450h+ plug in hybrid?I drove this last week. Still the noisy cvt-like transmission. Feels much slower than it actually is.
All much better leases*60K? For a RAV-4 with an ugly grille?
Why on earth would someone buy this?!
A Mercedes GLC or BMW X3 would be a much better purchase. Hell, a CPO Porsche Macan is in the 60K range. Not too mention the Volvo XC60.
All much better choices.
It's a PHEV... It is behind the curve, but it is still a solid car.Completely agree, Toyota, I mean Lexus are so so far behind the rest right now.
Have you actually tried buying a car recently? Even Porsche dealers want to start negotiating at $20K above sticker....Only crazy dealers will markup $40k over MSRP no one is going to buy it. You can buy Taycan base model with that price.
So what do you consider luxury? Last time I sat in a BMW at the auto show it was a plasticky piece of crap. Do we have to go up to Bugatti?Imagine considering Lexus as luxury. lol.
So what do you consider luxury? Last time I sat in a BMW at the auto show it was a plasticky piece of crap. Do we have to go up to Bugatti?
Why on earth would someone buy any of the vehicles you claimed were much better choices? Those are all trash, except for perhaps the Porsche.60K? For a RAV-4 with an ugly grille?
Why on earth would someone buy this?!
A Mercedes GLC or BMW X3 would be a much better purchase. Hell, a CPO Porsche Macan is in the 60K range. Not too mention the Volvo XC60.
All much better choices.
Yes I have. There are dealers that don't charge markup you need to shop around. 40K markup for Lexus (almost the same price for another car)? Only a moron will pay $40k markup. There are some P dealers that don't markup but have add-ons that are more useful than $20k cash markup.Have you actually tried buying a car recently? Even Porsche dealers want to start negotiating at $20K above sticker....
He/she doesn't get some people buy Lexus for reliability, you can drive Lexus until the wheels fall off with 300k miles in odometer. I have a cousin he still has his original LS model from 90s still running. BMW and MB??? Good luck getting 100k miles out of them without paying through the roof with repairs. ?Why on earth would someone buy any of the vehicles you claimed were much better choices? Those are all trash, except for perhaps the Porsche.
Imagine considering Lexus as luxury. lol.
more like ignorant!Well, you sure are cocky, jeremy.
Lexus just gets uglier every year. Dead brand.
He/she doesn't get some people buy Lexus for reliability, you can drive Lexus until the wheels fall off with 300k miles in odometer. I have a cousin he still has his original LS model from 90s still running. BMW and MB??? Good luck getting 100k miles out of them without paying through the roof with repairs. ?
What, no brake rotor replacements? They must be close to paper thin now....Well.
I currently drive a 2009 335i with 140K miles on it. Except for one failed injector, it’s been routine maintainence. Daily driver.
Also in the fleet:
- 2004 Mercedes C230. Only routine service, except for a failed ignition coil at 180K miles. Currently at 190K now.
- 2013 BMW X3. 50k miles. Routine service except for a water pump, which didn’t fail and was replaced under a service campaign.
So I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Test drove an ES350 the other day for my grandfather. No body control, awful brakes, antiquated and simultaneously infuriating infotainment system. Was a 2017.
I’d much rather drive the 2009 BMW to 300K miles than some overpriced Camry or RAV-4.
What, no brake rotor replacements? They must be close to paper thin now....
Your bias is showing.Well.
I currently drive a 2009 335i with 140K miles on it. Except for one failed injector, it’s been routine maintainence. Daily driver.
Also in the fleet:
- 2004 Mercedes C230. Only routine service, except for a failed ignition coil at 180K miles. Currently at 190K now.
- 2013 BMW X3. 50k miles. Routine service except for a water pump, which didn’t fail and was replaced under a service campaign.
So I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Test drove an ES350 the other day for my grandfather. No body control, awful brakes, antiquated and simultaneously infuriating infotainment system. Was a 2017.
I’d much rather drive the 2009 BMW to 300K miles than some overpriced Camry or RAV-4.
It is but Toyota's lack of a pure EV is going to ruin them. Their hydrogen division are doing quite nicely with the heavy vehicle development. PHEVs are also a useless tax dodge, half of PHEV owners (the ones I've seen in the work carpark) never charge the battery.It's a PHEV... It is behind the curve, but it is still a solid car.
Your bias is showing.
Just because you drive extremely old Mercedes and BMW vehicles (ew), doesn't mean new Lexus vehicles are bad.
I'm of the opinion that BMW X3 is crap, one of the least impressive options in this segment. The Lexus NX which is probably the top seller in this segment, is far better, for the money. Calling Lexus an overpriced Toyota is an old argument that has been recycled by NPC's like yourself.
In your opinion60K? For a RAV-4 with an ugly grille?
Why on earth would someone buy this?!
A Mercedes GLC or BMW X3 would be a much better purchase. Hell, a CPO Porsche Macan is in the 60K range. Not too mention the Volvo XC60.
All much better choices.