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In a nutshell, it's a laptop replacement if you can do laptop stuff on it, and it's not if you can't.

And I am perfectly fine with that. If anything, I am glad that the iPad doesn't try too hard to replicate laptop functionality, but instead continue to shine in its own way.

Exactly.

There are some people who never needed a full laptop or desktop anyway... but that's all there was.

Now there are options. Those who need the full power of a desktop OS can use a laptop or desktop computer.

But for those who just check email and browse the web... things like the iPad exist.
 
Can you guys please reduce the agitation...?

Just read what I wrote. Stop making up BS. Just admit you read it wrong and move on.

Seems like you have some of kind of personal stake NOT to see the iPad being accepted as a laptop replacement. Problem is tens of millions have ALREADY replaced their laptops with iPads. THAT IS A FACT. And many more will do the same with the increased power in the Pro line up and Apple's joint venture with IBM.
 
Mate, the name is just a name... They can call it pro, air, SE, CE, Universe, Creator... Whatever they want. It's just a marketing name.
It could be a professional tool or an entertainment tool. That depends on the user and the software, not the name.

Really hilarious seeing how so many people get so worked up and get the shakes over what a company calls their product. Seems they don't have much of a life as they let Apple have so much power over theirs.
 
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i cant even download the slides from my uni on an iPad at least not with safari which still lacks the most basic download support. computer replacement my ass

i also cant have two word documents open next to each other which makes working on anything really cumbersome so to me my iPad is a secondary screen to "view" something while i type and look for files on my mac to do serious work
 
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i cant even download the slides from my uni on an iPad at least not with safari which still lacks the most basic download support. computer replacement my ass

Learn how to use your iPad well - Documents app by readdle allows you to download anything you want via their internal browser. Works great.

Those who are complaining are just ignorant or not willing to learn. There is a learning curve on how to use an iPad - sandboxed security operating system requires a different workflow approach. You will be doing a few steps more than traditional OS like OSX and Windows.

The iPad can do 99% of the things you do daily - if you can't make it work or are unwilling to then the iPad isn't for you.
 
i cant even download the slides from my uni on an iPad at least not with safari which still lacks the most basic download support. computer replacement my ass

So every human on the planet uses their laptop to download slides from uni? Besides there are many Apps that can do exactly what you are asking. Do some research next time.

Blows my mind when people think their situation is the same as everyone else.
 
Desperation...

Although Apple devotees steadfastly defend the company based on its massive cash pile, the top executives seem obsessed about cramming "laptop replacement" thoughts down our throats.
 
i also cant have two word documents open next to each other which makes working on anything really cumbersome so to me my iPad is a secondary screen to "view" something while i type and look for files on my mac to do serious work

Open one in word, the other in iWork app. Isn't that difficult to learn.
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Desperation...

Although Apple devotees steadfastly defend the company based on its massive cash pile, the top executives seem obsessed about cramming "laptop replacement" thoughts down our throats.

I don't own apple stocks. I do hope they will burn for their bad decision making at the moment with the iPad iOS being exactly like the same as their smartphone UI. BUT one thing is for sure slowly but surely the iPad is becoming more and more independent from a traditional laptop computer/desktop computer.

Sure it may not have all the grunt horsepower to encode videos, transcode videos, edit streams of videos, perform coding tasks, and even edit large photoshop files' but do you really want to lug around a 1.5lb iPad or a much heavier laptop only to do those tasks? If your job requires it then you'd probably own BOTH.

The iPad at the current state will never replace a laptop/desktop but it sure does do 99% of those things perfectly fine. I have all 3 forms - desktop/laptop/iPads and I continually use my iPad 95% of the time.

Look at netbooks those are meant to replace traditional laptops but failed because they didn't do anything well. As long as I get security on my iPad I will compromise that extra 1-5% of things I can't do on my iPad. I have the money to buy a Microsoft surface pro and/or surface book but do I spend on that? HELL NO. Why would I pay that much for any Microsoft branded product when the end result is nothing but problems. Tested and proven to be a terrible product from Microsoft I learned to stay away years ago.

Replacement laptop - yes if you don't have one. Can it replace all the function of a traditional computer - NO.
 
I'm really perplexed by the majority of the commenters here complaining about the "Pro" moniker. Then again, I'm never not surprised by the amount of misleading, uninformed, and poorly thought out comments on any tech websites comment sections. I just don't get the appeal of yapping about things you're halfheartedly invested in. There's nothing wrong with calling this device an iPad Pro. It's capable of a lot more than the previous 9.7" iPad, and is aimed at artists with the Pencil support, it makes sense, the device doesn't need stronger hardware to do things its not being sold to do. The 2GB of RAM are not hampering any of it's intended use cases, besides a few apps that use a lot of memory, and those who will have massive projects. (most of these folks won't be using these devices for projects of that size, that will be on their primary machines) The line can be blurry, but I believe it's clear that Apple is pitching these devices as sketching, and preliminary work tools. Or for a musician, a portable device to lightly mix & record / light live use. These are absolutely not being sold as true high end professional creation tools (you would know that if you own any $1000+ device for content creation that isn't your actual computer), they will be that for many users however. Those machines already exist, and they're called Macs, PCs, Cintiqs, high end DSLRs, high end music equipment, etc. etc.. I'm a graphic designer, and the iPad Pro is hands down the BEST & most affordable drawing tablet yet to exist. Its just as good, if not better than Wacom's pricey cintiq line. They also do more than just hook up to your computer as a monitor to draw on. Unless you're in need of a massive 22"+ Cintiq, or are already a long time fan or user of Wacom products, the iPad Pro is the best option so far. The only alternative is Wacom's cheaper tablets that don't have screens. To get back to the 2GB of RAM, there is a potential issue in future proofing, but I feel this is potentially Apples way of pushing developers to still be hard core with their memory management. Don't forget iOS manages memory very aggressively compared to Android, etc. With the decreased screen size, most applications are going to be absolutely fine. Like usual, if you're a huge multitasker than you're going to hit some speed bumps, or if you've got a ton of layers in Procreate, etc. So sure, 2GB is slightly disappointing for a section of the users, but for almost everyone else, and not just casual users, it will work wonderfully. They are also obviously pitching these towards PC users who need to upgrade, because the features while very useful for professionals, are also useful for casual users. Every casual PC user I know would love having one of these instead if it weren't for the confusion of switching platforms. (as easy as iOS is to use, most people just don't care if they have to change to something different) It does everything they do, with light multitasking, and an excellent stylus that's incredibly fun to draw with. Plus you've got that 4K capable camera in it. Most of the people complaining on here about the RAM and how this isn't a "Pro" device, I would have to assume are just interested in specs & numbers instead of the real world usage. Heck, I wouldn't doubt if most of these people aren't even in any kind of profession that is intended to benefit from this device. It's either that, trolls, or true hard core users who are already hitting limits on their 12.9" Pros. If that's the case, then kudos to you because you're on a roll!
 
Well I'll be upgrading my old ipad 4 for once. There are def some points to be improved upon and I'm hoping for good stuff with IOS 10 but it is time to upgrade.
 
What's so great about the Surface? As far as I'm concerned it's just an inferior laptop with pen support. If the Surface Pro is a true laptop replacement why did Microsoft create the Surface Book?
excellent point. Also factor in that Microsoft NEVER advertises the Surface without the optional TypeCover. Microsoft themselves know that the Surface is a sub-par tablet.

My 12.9 iPad Pro is scheduled to arrive this afternoon, but what makes even the much maligned and lowly Surface 2 (Windows RT version) "Pro" is full support for USB peripherals, true dual monitor, removable storage, support for bluetooth devices (particularly mice/trackpads). It is the lack of touch-optimized Modern UI apps that make it a poor tablet.

I wish the iPP had those features, but not having them won't impede on my use as a notebook replacement (details to follow in a separate thread).



Mate, the name is just a name... They can call it pro, air, SE, CE, Universe, Creator... Whatever they want. It's just a marketing name.
It could be a professional tool or an entertainment tool. That depends on the user and the software, not the name.
But, but, but... ISO9999 (the international standard governing product names) states that including "Pro" in a product name indicates that it is capable of performing any task the customer expects or needs it to for the sake of complaining. Oh wait, no such standard exists. :confused::D
 
I own multiple iPads airs and air 2's and have bought TWO IPP one cellular, one wifi and I will tell you without a doubt for me that is, I believe the 12.9" is the best iPad ever combined with the APK. I paid all my bills online, printed PDF receipts, worked on my financing stuff, editing some photos, encoded a video using pinnacle, filled out some tax forms using PDF expert, transferred files and images to be backed up remotely using my NAS/Mini server combo, streamed YouTube to my chromecast on my TV - WHILE watching Amazon video in PIP, typing this response in safari, did a few business FaceTime calls, set up some calendar events, looked up personal information in 1Password, checked on some deliveries, and chatted on whatsapp web via safari using my android phone, monitored my security cameras from the past week, editing a spreadsheet, sent out 10 emails with attachments, received a few FaceTime audio calls while connected using my BT headset, and finally downloaded a few videos, converted a few YouTube videos online to AAC audio format, and then stored them on my NAS afterwards.

These are a few things I did this morning with my IPP 12.9" and I didn't even touch my laptop. When I need to complete a project in Xcode, I hope on my 27" display desktop and finish it there. Or I can remote in and do some minor editing.

You guys don't know what you're missing out on. The IPP is GREAT!
 
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Regarding the improved color gamut- what sources actually use this improved color gamut? Do iTunes movies use it? Does the built in camera use the new color space? I believe most pro-photographers use the lowest common denominator color gamut- whatever they expect their users to have (and I would expect similar behavior from web graphics developers). Otherwise, it's unpredictable how each device would interpret out of gamut colors.

I suspect that most things won't actually use the extra color space, and this is a long game plan for apple (slowly supporting the new color gamut everywhere until content makers start supporting it down the road).
 
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The general consensus among early reviews is that the smaller iPad Pro has powerful hardware, but like its 12.9-inch sibling, opinions were mixed about whether the tablet can truly replace your laptop.
That's kind of not the point, is it? Because of their lower price and faster technology development, I find myself buying iPads way more often than MacBooks. And because we own them and they are small and lightweight computers with excellent screens and easy user interfaces, my whole family is using them all the time. They might not even be any good at replacing a laptop, but they do replace them nevertheless.
 
Exactly.

There are some people who never needed a full laptop or desktop anyway... but that's all there was.

Now there are options. Those who need the full power of a desktop OS can use a laptop or desktop computer.

But for those who just check email and browse the web... things like the iPad exist.
 
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In a nutshell, it's a laptop replacement if you can do laptop stuff on it, and it's not if you can't.

And I am perfectly fine with that. If anything, I am glad that the iPad doesn't try too hard to replicate laptop functionality, but instead continue to shine in its own way.

Well said. My iPad has replaced my MBA and I'm debating on going big or going small. I've not even opened my MBA in a month and am considering selling it. My iPad rocks.
 
A lot of self proclaimed Apple fan doing nothing else than harshly criticizing Apple on this forum lately...

Yes, the Surface is just an half baked product, trying to do everything and capable of doing nothing properly. Not so good as a tablet, nor as a laptop.

Everything is half baked unless Apple does it according to you.
 
i cant even download the slides from my uni on an iPad at least not with safari which still lacks the most basic download support. computer replacement my ass

i also cant have two word documents open next to each other which makes working on anything really cumbersome so to me my iPad is a secondary screen to "view" something while i type and look for files on my mac to do serious work

Use the blackboard app,then open the slides in the Documents app....you will need to use Documents like a file manager ....it's the only way although it takes some getting used too...not as convenient as a real laptop OS
 
So every human on the planet uses their laptop to download slides from uni? Besides there are many Apps that can do exactly what you are asking. Do some research next time.

Blows my mind when people think their situation is the same as everyone else.

blows my mind when people cant read and english isnt even my first language

*AT LEAST not with Safari = default browser should be able to do just that. I got an App to download stuff but its super annoying to keep switching between Apps constantly

*"cant even" ... that was just a random example of things it cant do right out of the box among other things i didnt mention.

also nowhere did i say everyone got the same needs but a PC replacement should be able to do the most basic things out of the box. my mum uses a 8 year old computer to downlod files with her browser. she jumps onto my iPad and gets confused that she cant just do that. so no in THAT CASE it is not a PC replacement.

you honestly believe as Apple put it so nicely that people with 5 year old hardware "thats just sad" who obviously dont care ... are going to spent hours researching on how to do things and what app to use or even spent money on if they couldnt be bothered to update their computer in 5 years? they will just buy a 400 bucks Toshiba laptop or something
 
Wow 600 dollars to check a email browse and watch netflix...kindles can do this for much cheaper 50.00

In all honesty, the experience on an iPad is much smoother and pleasing than on a Kindle.

$600 ain't that much consider the device will probably last many years in a household that has very basic needs. People in my parent's generation are used to paying much more for much less in return when it comes to computers. Also, those less savvy with tech aren't aggressively comparing options on the internet and making decisions based on the cost alone.

My parents haven't booted up their computer in years since getting the iPad. The idea of needing a computer room and/or desk for checking your e-mail or Facebook are long gone.

Apple's assessment that people who pretty much never upgrade their PCs may want to replace them with iPads is largely right. If someone hasn't updated their computer in 5+ years you can bet your bottom dollar they only use it for the kinds of things the iPad does well (Web browsing, email, messaging, videos, pictures).

Anyone with serious needs is probably updating their computer more frequently.
 
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