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Rewritten Growl 1.3 Released on Mac App Store

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****. I have so much software I'm going to start doing some major research before I do the Lion upgrade. Oh well, guess I can chip in a couple bucks for it.
 
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I've seen growl installed on multiple macs and none of those Mac owners remember installing Growl. It's growth has been a result of some sneaky viralesq installations. Growl can go to Hell.
 
dhrlove said:
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I've seen growl installed on multiple macs and none of those Mac owners remember installing Growl. It's growth has been a result of some sneaky viralesq installations. Growl can go to Hell.
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It isn't Growl's fault. Applications install it without asking (which is actually frowned upon).

http://growl.info/thirdpartyinstallations.php

Don't bash the creators for what inconsiderate devs do.
 
Besides the fact that a lot of it doesn't work the worst thing is they put their icon in the status bar with no way to remove it. I don't know what they were thinking. This is pissing off a lot of people if you read their forum. I removed it and installed the old Growl. $1.99 down the drain. Not much money but irritating.
They claim it has to do with app store guidelines. It doesn't. Nothing in the app store guidelines says this.
 
Strange, it will be interesting to see if developers want to incorporate a framework that people now have to pay for to use. I thought the whole point of growl was to provide a free notification service framework any app could use. Developers can still use it I guess but now the end user has to pay to make it operational.

Seems like growl is going to make money off of other companies who used their framework when it was free like orignally designed.
 
Kevlar said:
Strange, it will be interesting to see if developers want to incorporate a framework that people now have to pay for to use. I thought the whole point of growl was to provide a free notification service framework any app could use. Developers can still use it I guess but now the end user has to pay to make it operational.

Seems like growl is going to make money off of other companies who used their framework when it was free like orignally designed.
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God forbid they get paid for working on making the framework that other companies use. Apple shouldn't charge for OS X because people use OS X APIs to make apps!

I can understand some of the UI gripes (they still haven't fixed the application preference pane to act properly) but complaining about having to pay less than a coffee for the update on MAS is just ridiculous.
 
NAG said:
God forbid they get paid for working on making the framework that other companies use. Apple shouldn't charge for OS X because people use OS X APIs to make apps!

I can understand some of the UI gripes (they still haven't fixed the application preference pane to act properly) but complaining about having to pay less than a coffee for the update on MAS is just ridiculous.
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I have no problem with them charging for it, they put alot of work into it over the years. I am just saying I wonder if companies/developers will continue to include the framework now that it isn't operational unless the user pays someone else to make it operational.

I don't know the answer, I just find it as a weird change.
 
BTW,

munkery said:
Did you use the Growl uninstaller script to delete the previous version of Growl before installing Growl 1.3?

http://growl.info/downloads
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munkery said:
I don't believe that the MAS version includes an uninstaller. I'm fairly certain that the previous version of Growl has to removed by the user.

http://www.macworld.com/article/162...at_open_source_and_the_mac_app_store_mix.html

Did you use the Growl uninstaller script to delete the previous version of Growl before installing Growl 1.3?

http://growl.info/downloads

Also, go to: System Preferences -> Users & Groups -> Login items. Then delete GrowlHelper as it is no longer needed. You may also want to delete the preference for GrowlHelper in ~/Library/Preferences.
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NAG said:
Uninstaller script here:

http://growl.info/documentation/growl-package-removal.php

You have to remove the helper app from your login items manually but that is about it.
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But, thanks for the link with more elaborate instructions.
 
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The best thing about Growl being a paid app now is that it won't sneak it's way onto your Mac for free. I applaud this decision.
 
growl 1.2.2 works perfectly fine on osx lion. I have it and it works beautifully. It registers all my apps that use it.. i think ~10 or so. to the guy who can't get any growl to work, restart your computer, hopefully you already did that and it's some other problem. I don't mind giving $2 to dev's that have done a wonderful job making an amazing notification system, just like i had no problem payin $5 for the ipad and iphone app for PLEX the beautiful amazing media server software. When i'm somewhere w/ wifi, I can stream stuff faster and higher quality that I can from the netflix app on my iphone. Can't comment on the 3g cuz I haven't bothered wasting my dataplan away.
 
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Command + dragging (or was it option + dragging) the icon off the menu bar doesn't remove it?
 
kas23 said:
The best thing about Growl being a paid app now is that it won't sneak it's way onto your Mac for free. I applaud this decision.
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Growl is still open source so it may still be included or provided as an optional install for free bundled with other third party software.

The new Rollup feature to display notifications from inactive periods is a great addition.

The history feature will also be useful.
 
Following up in case anybody else is interested.

1) Installed Growl 1.3 from the MAS; from what I can tell, it did NOT come with the traditional Extras (GrowlTunes, HardwareGrowler, GrowlMail, growlnotify). I already had HwG installed, so if it was installed when the MAS version installed, I didn't notice it. I'm assuming that if one wants these extras, one would have to download 1.2.2 and install them from there.

2) HardwareGrowler still crashes on Lion, even under Growl 1.3. In fact, it seems to crash more frequently. At this point, I'm not sure there's a good reason to upgrade to 1.3 besides showing monetary support to the development team, as 1.2.2 itself ran perfectly fine, and it was HwG itself that needed updating.

3) Guess we will just have to wait and see it HwG get released on the MAS or is made available separately.


tygrubb said:
Does anyone know if HardwareGrowler is included in the 1.3 app?

Googling for the hardwaregrowler lion crash issue, I saw where a dev said it was fixed in 1.3 and would be available on the Mac App Store. I don't know if that means that HardwareGrowler will be released as a separate program on the App Store, or if the dev is referring to the main Growl app and that HG will be released as an extra to be procured elsewhere.

If you have 1.3, does the existing HG binary still crash?
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Background apps from the Mac App Store are not required to always display an icon in the menubar.
For example BetterSnapTool lets you hide the icon just fine from its preferences.
 
NAG said:
God forbid they get paid for working on making the framework that other companies use. Apple shouldn't charge for OS X because people use OS X APIs to make apps!

I can understand some of the UI gripes (they still haven't fixed the application preference pane to act properly) but complaining about having to pay less than a coffee for the update on MAS is just ridiculous.
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Totally agree, why do so many expect everything for free, moan at even paying a tiny amount.
 
pewra said:
Yep.

Seriously odd decision to make it a paid app.

Even odder, it's still open source. You can just compile your own binary, and it's yours free.
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For what growl does this pitiful amount is nothing, yes you could compile some code, but how about giving something back

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roland.g said:
Sounded great for a second. I've heard that a lot of people use it. But no GrowlMail. That would be my main reason to get it. Thumbs down.
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What?!

You're not going to put growl onto your Mac because of that?! Seriously, well how about this for a suggestion; Pay the pittance for Growl then download 'herald' for Lion (free) from their site and you'll have growl AND a better notifier... Rolls Eyes
 
MMR said:
Totally agree, why do so many expect everything for free, moan at even paying a tiny amount.
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People have no perspective around here, and love to use hyperbole (at least I HOPE they're being hyperbolic, and not serious).

-"laughed out loud" (really!?!?!?! At a $2 charge, for likely hours upon hours of work on a utility that many have utilized for years for no charge?)

-or how someone will often characterize this or that Apple decision (see the iPhone 4S/5 rumors, and any other hardware upgrade cycle) as a "slap in the face!" (really? Not getting something exactly the way YOU want it is not just inconvenient but downright INSULTING to you?)

-and my favorite, levied at almost any charge apple or a software company comes up with (note that the referred to charge/cost is frequently something reasonable and logical, like $1.99 for an app with a high frequency of use/value per dollar): "(blank) move is pure greed" (really? People who work on these things actually want to make money/increase shareholder value/make a living? Incredible!

It's an internet forum, I guess overreaction and lack of perspective/misplaced priorities are par for the course.

For my part, I bought Growl without a second thought. Happy to support the devs.

People who don't like it, go ahead and code your own, it'll be "free".
 
I understand that there is some hard work going into the project but I don't see why this has become a paid app or why the project hasn't become a part of OS X. Either way, I think the smart move would have been to pass on the development cost to their closed sourced associates, IE make it a open-source non-comercial licence, for example ask Adobe 1000$ or what ever to use it with CS 5 but don't ask for anything from other open-sourced programs like Adium. That way, the user still pays for it, in a way but they could keep their large install base but still pay the bills.

My 0.02$.
 
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