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Beautiful things should not be designed to be broken. And safety is rarely modular.

I wish these lobby's would go away for the benefit of consumer choice.
 
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That indeed is a good reason for it, also necessary to prevent hardware hacking. Apple is really going all-in on security.
That’s nothing new.

They’ve been this way for years about touting more about tightening on security both hardware and software related.
 
That’s nothing new.

They’ve been this way for years about touting more about tightening on security both hardware and software related.

We're moving past the era of shiny things. Security is Apple's main source of competitive advantage.
 
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So their argument is that they should use cheap third party products with hazy screens, touch issues built on bad quality and batteries that might explode because they are cheaper than the products Apple provide which are the OEM quality themselves.

All this statement has proven is that it was really never about right to repair, it was right to use lower quality parts for cheaper repair
I agree. The RTR comes from the car and PC repair shops. Cars were build with generic parts, and PCs did the same. You have to admit it is convenient for the tinkerers. But today products, especially Apple's, are custom designed with few generic components, making tinkering with the products harder or impossible. I think Apple did the right thing: provide certified tools and parts to do it right.
 
I hopped on the service site this morning when the new broke on MR. I entered the required info for my iPhone 13 Pro and in the toggle of what items I could repair, I was pretty surprised to see "screen" was not one of them. Wouldn't "cracked screen" be the most requested repair of iPhone users? Maybe I miss dit and this was some sort of agreement with current repair shops/techs, but I fully expected to find "screen repair" as an option.
 
With Apple’s approach, you are essentially only saving labor costs. You’re tightening the screws instead of Apple tech. Apple still controls all the parts. Also, that huge heavy self repair kit outweighs any stated environmental benefits, figuratively and literally. It’s a total lose-lose scenario.
Which is the idea. Don’t tell me third party cheap parts are the same as Apple because they arent’t and I worked in support center official and not for years and as a freelance. Quality cost, and both serial and forced manual are the right thing to do. nerds like us on forums could whine but repairing is not for everyone, so at least this is safer for user. Do you know how many noobs will destroy their device? All these steps make this less common to happen.
 
I hopped on the service site this morning when the new broke on MR. I entered the required info for my iPhone 13 Pro and in the toggle of what items I could repair, I was pretty surprised to see "screen" was not one of them. Wouldn't "cracked screen" be the most requested repair of iPhone users? Maybe I miss dit and this was some sort of agreement with current repair shops/techs, but I fully expected to find "screen repair" as an option.
check again, i‘ve seen iPhone 13 mini and 12 screen for example.
 
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People don’t seem to mind it actually. There is a Turkish phone repair shop on almost every corner here in Berlin
Issues are quite common but in that case… They will blame Apple not Turkish shop as always has been.
 
I mean, they still don't want anyone to actually do this, they just don't want to be regulated.

EDIT: For the grumpy people disagreeing, consider why they set this up to look like a low-effort scam website with no Apple branding and not even their own font. Surely if this was something they wanted people to use, it would be a part of apple.com.
 
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That's exactly why iFixit is upset.
Can you provide direct sources or links to specifics of where iFixit is ‘upset’? Because I haven’t read anything showing their dissatisfaction for Apples right to repair program. If anything, they are in support of opposite of what you said and stated it was a ‘step in the right direction’.

As a matter of fact, this was iFixits response showing how satisfied they are with Apple making this decision:

We are really happy to see Apple making repair manuals available for everyone for free online," said Chamberlain. "Like, seriously happy. Like, we've-been-asking-for-this-for-twenty-years happy. They're selling their own proprietary repair tools to the public, too, again for the very first time. You can buy official Apple battery presses and display adhesive removal devices—or even, to our surprise, rent those devices."
 
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Part of me thinks that Apple has purposefully made some decisions in order to make repairs harder for people to do on their own.

Maximizing profit and serving people with stuff they want is important but always under a philosophy of the company that prioritizes certain concepts…privacy, different way of thinking, climate consciousness, social consciousness.

I think that there is a balance Apple has yet to achieve between making simple fixes simple and easy while still profiting from bigger fixes.
I suspect that if people could be trusted to replace the device at the end of the warranty period than we would see little need for warranty services.
 
Can you provide direct sources or links to specifics of where iFixit is ‘upset’? Because I haven’t read anything showing their dissatisfaction for Apples right to repair program. If anything, they are in support of opposite of what you said and stated it was a ‘step in the right direction’.
Just look at the quote in this story.

They are complaining that Apple uses serialization, or as they put it: “Apple is doubling down on requiring each part be encoded to a specific phone.” — This protects you and me from knock-off counterfeit parts.

“And we should have more options. Not just one set of parts.” — iFixit wants to make more money than they already do selling $0.50 Chinese tools for $5. They want to sell parts too.
 
This is all just so much hot air. Repairs are very definitely not a profit source for Apple, because both the quality parts and the labor are not cheap. Hence you now have your „right to repair“, but it isn‘t significantly cheaper, which just proves the point. I really don‘t understand why Apple should go to any further lengths at all to enable shoddy repairs with cheaper parts (beyond what is already possible in the already mentioned corner store repair joints). If anything, environmentally it would make more sense to make it an obligation for hardware manufacturers (like Apple) to offer to repair all their hardware items for at least, say, 10 years.
 
Just look at the quote in this story.
That's exactly why iFixit is upset.
I did. And none of that shows/tells me that they’re ‘upset’, they’re expressing their concerns given the repair program. And at no point, did they express that they’re upset about anything. As a matter fact, complete opposite of that.

I mean, how you derived that they’re upset about Apples decision is beyond me and inaccurate. When they explicitly said they’re more than content with Apples repair decision that they made available to the consumer:

“We are really happy to see Apple making repair manuals available for everyone for free online," said Chamberlain. "Like, seriously happy. Like, we've-been-asking-for-this-for-twenty-years happy. They're selling their own proprietary repair tools to the public, too, again for the very first time. You can buy official Apple battery presses and display adhesive removal devices—or even, to our surprise, rent those devices."

 
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All this statement has proven is that it was really never about right to repair, it was right to use lower quality parts for cheaper repair
I think there’s a legitimate question at stake. I own an iPhone 5 (almost ten years old!) and I’d like to be able to repair it since Apple obviously wouldn’t service it anymore.

(No, it isn’t anywhere near my main phone. I have it to prove I can develop for iOS 8 and I get to have an amazing jailbreak setup.)
 
The man is right! Apple must make it easier for us, to repair damaged iMacs and MacBooks, especially when the systems SSDs and Memory modules are damaged. We have the right to swap those components!!!
 
Apple should have patterned up with iFixit instead of coming up with a self-to-repair option. I know for a fact my mom is not feeling comfortable opening up her personal iPhone and changing the battery herself. She still prefers going to an actual Apple store and having it done that way.
Why would Apple need to partner with iFixit, specifically? iFixit can just become an authorized repair center like every other vendor that needs manuals and tools?
 
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So their argument is that they should use cheap third party products with hazy screens, touch issues built on bad quality and batteries that might explode because they are cheaper than the products Apple provide which are the OEM quality themselves.

All this statement has proven is that it was really never about right to repair, it was right to use lower quality parts for cheaper repair
Ever thought people should be allowed to choose that? Or do you want to force people to spend hundreds of dollars when they just want a cheap repair until they change their phone?
 
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I did. And none of that shows/tells me that they’re ‘upset’, they’re expressing their concerns given the repair program. And at no point, did they express that they’re upset about anything. As a matter fact, complete opposite of that.

I mean, how you derived that they’re upset about Apples decision is beyond me and inaccurate. When they explicitly said they’re more than content with Apples repair decision that they made available to the consumer:

“We are really happy to see Apple making repair manuals available for everyone for free online," said Chamberlain. "Like, seriously happy. Like, we've-been-asking-for-this-for-twenty-years happy. They're selling their own proprietary repair tools to the public, too, again for the very first time. You can buy official Apple battery presses and display adhesive removal devices—or even, to our surprise, rent those devices."

You keep quoting the good parts someone says right before they say “but” and then say what the really mean.

Example: “We are really happy to see Apple making repair manuals available for everyone for free online” but Apple is requiring genuine parts and repair kits which cuts into our bottom line, so there should be more options for consumers to support our 500% markup on pentalobe drivers and plastic squeegees.
 
I'm sorry that the 4 people that want to fix their iPhones are still unhappy. I understand the whole right to repair concept.....but in reality I don't want to spend all day taking an iPhone apart to fix something. How valuable is your time? Sometimes is just cheaper to replace or pay to fix than waste your own time. I would value my free time at a minimum of $200/hr....so after a couple hours I'd rather just pay someone/replace then spend my time messing around with tape and a million screws. Im sure some people like doing this or want to learn....but it's such a PITA and its going to just get harder as things get smaller. A car...sure....and Apple Watch...come on.
 
That's the whole flaw in RTR; it doess not mean easy or cheap to repair. Unless something is designed for repair it often cannot be repaired without special tools or equipment.

I like to work on cars, and but today's vehicles, even though I can get any part I want, are often unfixable without access to specialized computer software. My e92 required reseting the computer after a battery was replaced, necessitating the purchase of a special tool to do that. Granted, it gives me a lot of other diagnostic and repair functions, but at over $200 is was an investment. Once I got rid of the e92 it is now a fancy box in my garage.
My son is putting a turbo 5.3 LS in an E90 right now. Perhaps he should whine to Proctor about how difficult this is to complete.
 
I hopped on the service site this morning when the new broke on MR. I entered the required info for my iPhone 13 Pro and in the toggle of what items I could repair, I was pretty surprised to see "screen" was not one of them. Wouldn't "cracked screen" be the most requested repair of iPhone users? Maybe I miss dit and this was some sort of agreement with current repair shops/techs, but I fully expected to find "screen repair" as an option.
It’s listed as ‘Display’, not screen.
 
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