Riots in the UK

[Jaffa Cake]

Most of tonight's bother seems to be in Manchester and the West Midlands, with reports that police have been shot at in Aston. In Nottingham, a city centre police station was firebombed although it was soon extinguished.

Just a suggestion, but perhaps on reflection the thread title should be amended to 'Riots in England'?

 

[Greg.]

Smash the rich

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

It's good tho - is there a weeping smilie?

Cheers,
OW

This is embarrassing and hilarious at the same time. "The conservatives or who ever it is, I dunno". It is the government's fault apparently but they aren't even sure of who their government is!

Also owning a business automatically makes you rich, and thus merits smashing the business's windows in, looting contents and torching the place. Those people who started their businesses worked hard for it. And some of them might now be 'rich' because hard work pays off - a concept these chavs don't understand. That particular area has a lot of family owned businesses, it is these that will feel the hit and not the big chains. They're destroying their own communities.

Also the fact they're drinking stolen alcohol, bragging about how it's all a 'good laugh' and saying it's "about showing the police we can do what we want" shows how clueless these scum are.

 

[skunk]

I was hearing on NPR today shop owners are getting pissed that the military has not be brought in bring things back in line.
This is really getting out of hand and maybe it is time more drastic measures be taken.

The military have not been used on the streets of London for over 100 years, and I hope it stays that way. What's next? Will NATO declare a no-fly zone?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

The military have not been used on the streets of London for over 100 years, and I hope it stays that way. What's next? Will NATO declare a no-fly zone?

well to me bring in the military would be the same as bring in the national guard here in the US which I believe is slightly different than full military.

I just pointed out that shop owners are complaining a lot that they have not brought in the military or some type of national guard to help restore order.

 

[iJohnHenry]

I just pointed out that shop owners are complaining a lot that they have not brought in the military or some type of national guard to help restore order.

Perhaps, with the political climate the way it is, they could resurrect the Home Guard from their graves, with their wooden "rifles".

 

[CorvusCamenarum]

The military have not been used on the streets of London for over 100 years, and I hope it stays that way. What's next? Will NATO declare a no-fly zone?

well to me bring in the military would be the same as bring in the national guard here in the US which I believe is slightly different than full military.

What is the UK equivalent of our National Guard, and why shouldn't they be called in if the regular police are overwhelmed with restoring order and whatnot?

 

[iJohnHenry]

What is the UK equivalent of our National Guard, and why shouldn't they be called in if the regular police are overwhelmed with restoring order and whatnot?

I would call in the SAS, but that's just me.

 

[firestarter]

What is the UK equivalent of our National Guard, and why shouldn't they be called in if the regular police are overwhelmed with restoring order and whatnot?

There isn't an equivalent. It's the police then the regular army.

The police weren't so much overwhelmed - they just weren't authorised to use the force and tactics they needed, and that is most likely down to the political position the Police Commissioner feels himself to be in. He has now been told to take a harder line (which presumably includes CS gas and rubber bullets) - and as a result this evening was pretty quiet (in London at least).

 

[flopticalcube]

Really seems to have caught the Bill flatfooted, so to speak. I hope they review riot procedure across the UK after this.

 

[flopticalcube]

The military have not been used on the streets of London for over 100 years, and I hope it stays that way. What's next? Will NATO declare a no-fly zone?

Rendition to the Orkney's.

 

[CHAOS STEP]

Duggan certainly wasn't lily White, however an IPCC investigation has found he didn't open fire before being shot, his gun had not been discharged.

Tis has been building up for yonks, it's stems from the s43 and s44 that the police use, and them openly saying that they use racial profiling.

Police & youth relationships have been at an all time low for years, when I was 17/18 I was stopped and searched more times than Id like to count, and I can understand why is got to this point.

Of course the scrapping of EMA, 75% cuts n the youth service, the cost of university changing from £6000 to £27000, no job prospects, a shocking relationship with police, and a Tory toff government only interested in their own personal finances are the cumulative reasons for this....

Of course the uk public blame everyone except themselves for this, but in all honesty, they voted in a Tory government, they've done this..... But it's easier to take a race hate approach to things, insist we need the army, and then say we need to sterilise and undertake eugenics....... Glad to see the British public learned nothing from the threat of a nazi Britain in the second world war

The youths that are burning down stuff and stealing are not doing so because they can't go to a youth club, or can't afford a university course.

The majority of people demanding a tougher stance are not blaming black people and demanding that they be rounded up.

It's holiday time, some selfish bored youths want a bit of excitement and the possibility of free stuff.

Aided with social networking and a passive Police response they are encouraged, organised and making the most of it.

The Police seem to be great at kettling tons of protesters in the city, but seem strangely reluctant and sit back whilst some poor shopkeeper loses their livelihood.

This is not political, if you go in hard against them, they will go home to their xboxes.

Probably one of the few occasions where a bit of 'over-eager' riot policing would have worked wonders. I'm sure the inevitable law suits would have been less than the bill they have to pick up now.

 

[firestarter]

Really seems to have caught the Bill flatfooted, so to speak. I hope they review riot procedure across the UK after this.

I don't think you can really analyze the police response without considering the political situation they're in.

- A black teenager was killed several years ago in London and the police were strongly criticized for their handling of the case. A judicial review found the police "institutionally racist" - and this judgement has affected their policing in mixed race areas ever since.
- A man was killed at the G20 protests two years ago (an older guy, who was walking away from police when they shoved him over from behind). This provoked widespread criticism from the media. The police were criticized for their choice of coroner (a man who has subsequently been suspended) and the policeman involved will be tried for manslaughter (decision taken May this year). Although the policeman concerned appears to have a history of violence (and looks guilty), his treatment by the media has had an impact on other police, who fear they wont receive support if they're involved in a violent incident.
- The head of London police resigned within the last fortnight over links with the Murdock phone-tapping scandal. The police have received bad press over this - and the current head of London police is a temporary stand-in.

So the Met Police in London currently feel under media and political attack, especially regarding their behavior in mixed race and crowd control/riot situations. I expect that this caused the stand-in police commissioner to tone down their response on Sunday/Monday.

The police are capable of more effective action - and I expect to see this now that the Prime Minister has demanded it.

The problem as I see it is that the police require solid political support to act more decisively in mixed race areas - otherwise the agenda in these communities will continue to be set by 'community leaders', who seek to criticize police involvement, while not taking responsibility for reducing criminality within their community.

 

[CHAOS STEP]

That (Tomlinson?) case was different though. He was attacked whilst he was walking along minding his own business.

That is a lot different to standing back and letting a big crowd of youths kick off. I'm sure the general public would have been positive to seeing a scroat getting a pasting for breaking a window.

 

[firestarter]

That (Tomlinson?) case was different though. He was attacked whilst he was walking along minding his own business.

That is a lot different to standing back and letting a big crowd of youths kick off. I'm sure the general public would have been positive to seeing a scroat getting a pasting for breaking a window.

Yeah, me too.

But when the sob story about the teenage scroat and his broken family background hits the media, can the police rely on politicians to back them up or will they be hung out to dry?

We're already seeing a load of criticism of them for shooting a guy who was an a known gun carrying gang member. Sure, the Met need to stuck to the facts rather than coming up with made up cover stories (turns out he didn't shoot at them). That they're even coming under criticism for shooting a guy like that during an arrest attempt says a lot about the toxic political environment they find themselves in.

 

[r1ch4rd]

Nope. People are scared and they want protection. Needs must.



I've just been up on the Pennines above Manchester with binoculars to spot meteors, turned them on Manchester. It does look quite good, saw a few helicopters (even one around where I was). Looks like they've all had their fun now.

The last chopper seemed to stop at around 1:00am and it was noticeably quieter after then. Seems to be back to normal this morning.

I believe there are a lot of people who have volunteered to come in and clean up the city this morning, which at least goes to show there are people who care about the place.

 

[iBlue]

Yeah, me too.

But when the sob story about the teenage scroat and his broken family background hits the media, can the police rely on politicians to back them up or will they be hung out to dry?

We're already seeing a load of criticism of them for shooting a guy who was an a known gun carrying gang member. Sure, the Met need to stuck to the facts rather than coming up with made up cover stories (turns out he didn't shoot at them). That they're even coming under criticism for shooting a guy like that during an arrest attempt says a lot about the toxic political environment they find themselves in.

The police wil be subject to whatever benefits the sleazy politicians the most. This is exactly why I think police commissioners should be elected and not appointed. Having to answer to politicians leaves them stuck with whatever suits the political agenda the most and it's rarely a good thing.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that this whole mess was incited by a shill who wanted to create a diaster with the purpose of the government gaining more control over us, particularly online and with social networks. Peaceful protests will be met with more justified resistance ("to keep us safe" ) and the political dickbags get to look like they're helping. Either way I imagine that will be the result.

 

[Peterkro]

He apparently talks the talk, but balks at walking the walk.

I would call in the SAS, but that's just me.

Do you take any notice of what you type or are you using some sort of "stream of (semi) consciousness " method?

 

[AAPLaday]

Next stop curfews. Fingermen abound. Cant spell Vendetta without the V

 

[Peterkro]

I'd suggest an update to the thread title,disturbances in Cardiff last night.

Riots in the UK?
( I can visualise the slavering brain dead sub-editors working for the comic press waiting impatiently to use the headline "ANARCHY IN THE UK" the currant bun has already had the one word headline "ANARCHY"

Of course there are riots in the little illegal statelet over the water but they are generally ignored by the UK media so there's probably no support for going for an accurate title which would be "Riots in the UK and Northern Ireland".

 

[JetBlack7]

I saw Sky News yesterday evening and saw the Sikh community united to fight and protect their neighborhoud. Can't understand how a culture like theirs is more united than ours. They stood together no matter how many looters and hoodlums appear...

 

[0098386]

Well it's raining now so I guess that's the end of these riots. I mean why bother nicking a TV if it's only going to get soaked on the way to your squat?

 

[iStudentUK]

I'd suggest an update to the thread title,disturbances in Cardiff last night.

Riots in the UK?

I originally called it "Riots in London" guess a mod changed it to "Riots in England". I try to avoid the term England unless I'm being very specific as it is unfairly and incorrectly used interchangeably with UK/Britain, especially in the US. I've now changed it to UK.

 

[iJohnHenry]

Three Asian men killed??? They're Brits for God's sake. Nice going media.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-killed-hit-run-protected-neighbourhood.html

 

[iStudentUK]

Three Asian men killed??? They're Brits for God's sake. Nice going media.

It's the Daily Mail. Their newspaper is basically read by people who spend their lives complaining about immigrants and peodophiles. You'll probably see a headline in the next few days blaming black asylum seeking peodophiles for the whole riots.

 

[OllyW]

Three Asian men killed??? They're Brits for God's sake. Nice going media.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-killed-hit-run-protected-neighbourhood.html

They must have edited it out, the only mention of Asian men on that page is in the URL.