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Riots in the UK

Great, now Manchester is kicking off. And unfortunately there is a limit to how many times you can call a group of people "idiots".
 
Lord Blackadder said:
I don't know how the law works in the UK, but in the US simply pointing a gun at someone qualifies as assault with a deadly weapon, without regard for whether the weapon is loaded.

It would be ludicrous to forbid police from shooting a suspect who is pointing a gun at them. On he other hand, based on the very fragmentary information I've read on the shooting of Duggan, it appears that he did not fire at officers and may not have even pointed his weapon at them. Still, if he was known to be armed, then he is immediately raising the likelihood that he or someone else will be shot in any confrontation.

It sounds like the police may have mishandled the incident with fatal results, but I don't see how these riots can be in any way be considered a legitimate or reasonable response. They are harming innocent people - not the police, not the Tory government, not the wealthy and powerful. It is self-destructive.
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Exactly. If he was stopped by regular cops, we'd be looking at 2 dead Police Officers and a cop killer and nobody would give a **** about that.
 
That's disgusting behaviour! Makes me ashamed to be British human.
 
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Dagless said:
Great, now Manchester is kicking off. And unfortunately there is a limit to how many times you can call a group of people "idiots".
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Im off to town now for a few drinks with a few mates. Selfridges is apparently on fire. Marks and Spencer is also smashed up too, Boots too i have heard.
 
AAPLaday said:
Im off to town now for a few drinks with a few mates. Selfridges is apparently on fire. Marks and Spencer is also smashed up too, Boots too i have heard.
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Is it Selfridges or Miss Selfridges thats on fire?
 
steviem said:
Exactly. If he was stopped by regular cops, we'd be looking at 2 dead Police Officers and a cop killer and nobody would give a **** about that.
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You are misinformed if you think that the murder of a Police Officer would go unnoticed. It is a pretty rare occurrence in the UK (15 unlawful deaths between 2000 - 2010) but when it does happen it receives widespread news coverage and unanimous condemnation.
 
OllyW said:
You are misinformed if you think that the murder of a Police Officer would go unnoticed. It is a pretty rare occurrence in the UK (15 unlawful deaths between 2000 - 2010) but when it does happen it receives widespread news coverage and unanimous condemnation.
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No mass riots or looting though? What about John Odell he was on his initial training with my stepmother, they passed out together. There were no mass lootings for him. Damn, most of you would never have heard of him and if I'm honest, neither would I have. There was minimal news about it and his killer is out of prison for that now (don't know if he's found his way back in since). Howabout the Police Officer shot while that idiot was going around shooting people at random last year, or even his other victims.

Why couldn't they have a peaceful protest about this and leave it at that until the IPCC (who are brought in whenever a Police Firearm is fired!) finished their investigation? So selfish and disgusting.
 
OllyW said:
You are misinformed if you think that the murder of a Police Officer would go unnoticed. It is a pretty rare occurrence in the UK (15 unlawful deaths between 2000 - 2010) but when it does happen it receives widespread news coverage and unanimous condemnation.
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I think "universal condemnation" is the most proper phrase at the moment, to be aimed at both the authorities and the rioters.

The real victms are neither police nor the opportunistic thugs out in the streets - as usual it's the innocent bystanders who are seeing their homes and businesses burned and looted.
 
steviem said:
Why couldn't they have a peaceful protest about this and leave it at that until the IPCC (who are brought in whenever a Police Firearm is fired!) finished their investigation? So selfish and disgusting.
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Because these riots have nothing to do with the shooting. Sure, the one in Tottenham on the first night did, but since then it has had nothing to do with the shooting, it's just criminals trying to steal and destroy stuff.
 
steviem said:
No mass riots or looting though?
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Of course you don't get rioting and looting when a Police Officer gets killed in the line of duty. Normal, law abiding people don't react like that.

These idiots aren't doing it because of that shooting, they are taking advantage of the situation to rob and destroy property. As the Birmingham Police chief said, the rioters were “not an angry crowd, but a greedy crowd”.
 
OllyW said:
Of course you don't get rioting and looting when a Police Officer gets killed in the line of duty. Normal, law abiding people don't react like that.

These idiots aren't doing it because of that shooting, they are taking advantage of the situation to rob and destroy property. As the Birmingham Police chief said, the rioters were “not an angry crowd, but a greedy crowd”.
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That's all there is to it at this point. Totenham was the place where this occured, why has it spread besides that city? Thugs looking to take advantage of the situation, don't know why these lootings and riots are happening, just want a "piece of the action".
 
Dagless said:
Is it Selfridges or Miss Selfridges thats on fire?
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I can see Selfridges from my balcony. It's looking fairly calm at this end of town at the moment, but I don't know if that will last.

There is a constant stream of sirens and the helicopter has been overhead since before I got home from work at about 6:00.

All calm and quiet here for now, I just hope it stays that way and they manage to bring the rest of the city under control!
 
oscillatewildly said:
It's good tho - is there a weeping smilie?
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I can offer sad
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Anyone find this slightly unsettling? :eek:
 
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AdrianK said:
Anyone find this slightly unsettling? :eek:
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Review of top selling item:
I hadnt realised that this isnt a regulation size bat, 60 CM or 24 inches is the size of bat you would have if you were a young child playing baseball and definately not adult sized. Its more the size of a rounders bat, perhaps slightly longer. I didnt however, buy this to play baseball with. As for the bat itself it feels solid and is reasonably light. The grip is easily big enough for an adult to hold the bat two handed.
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Comment on review:
Yeh Rich, what do/did you intend to use the bat for ?
Is it large enough to be used in a form of self defence to protect my family, say for example if I was to break down in my car in a dodgy area of france in the middle of the night and was approached by some bandits ?
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LOL

Edit: a couple of items down...
BB-1 baseball bat in aluminium (Misc.)
I never go to Hackney or Salford, without it. It feels much more solid than a wooden bat, and makes a substantial impact when it hits a ball or bone-like structure. I store it under my bed, for easy access.

Either size is fine
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AdrianK said:
Anyone find this slightly unsettling? :eek:
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Nope. People are scared and they want protection. Needs must.

r1ch4rd said:
I can see Selfridges from my balcony. It's looking fairly calm at this end of town at the moment, but I don't know if that will last.

There is a constant stream of sirens and the helicopter has been overhead since before I got home from work at about 6:00.

All calm and quiet here for now, I just hope it stays that way and they manage to bring the rest of the city under control!
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I've just been up on the Pennines above Manchester with binoculars to spot meteors, turned them on Manchester. It does look quite good, saw a few helicopters (even one around where I was). Looks like they've all had their fun now.
 
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I think the community needs to step up to help police their areas. For the second day running there's been riot warnings in my particular area leading to the whole place pretty much shutting down at 2pm.

This isn't about the oppressed fighting "the man", it's criminals terrorising their whole communities pure and simple.

Trust me most of those people buying bats from Amazon will be those wanting to protect their families and properties, the mindless pieces of **** doing all the damage don't have the intelligence to search this stuff up online.

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I was hearing on NPR today shop owners are getting pissed that the military has not be brought in bring things back in line.
This is really getting out of hand and maybe it is time more drastic measures be taken.
 
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