This. If they can make the user experience intuitive, fluid and enjoyable, who cares if there is no carplay? IMO carplay is great when the user UI is crappy and you just want something familiar that works.
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Rivian CEO Explains Why Apple CarPlay Won't Come to Its Vehicles
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"We just believe that it is such an important piece of real estate, the digital ecosystem” is what Rivian says.
The reason Aston Martin and Porsche have no problem adopting CarPlay because they don’t care, it’s not their core competency. The most important and central part of the Porsche or Aston Martin experience, is the driving experience. So they’ll gladly incorporate CarPlay, and focus on the driving, on the vehicle itself.
There’s nothing wrong with partnering with someone stronger at a competency, like Apple and the digital experience. CarPlay’s biggest problem is that it requires an iPhone.
Rivian could integrate the simplest versions of CarPlay, which is just a projection of the iPhone into the display, that should not detract from the experience significantly (though, it can).
The reason Aston Martin and Porsche have no problem adopting CarPlay because they don’t care, it’s not their core competency. The most important and central part of the Porsche or Aston Martin experience, is the driving experience. So they’ll gladly incorporate CarPlay, and focus on the driving, on the vehicle itself.
There’s nothing wrong with partnering with someone stronger at a competency, like Apple and the digital experience. CarPlay’s biggest problem is that it requires an iPhone.
Rivian could integrate the simplest versions of CarPlay, which is just a projection of the iPhone into the display, that should not detract from the experience significantly (though, it can).
CarPlay 2 is an absolute nonstarter. I would not buy an Audi, BMW, Mercedes, or Rivian to have Apple's San Fransisco font and their corporate design system take over my car. Don't buy the Apple propaganda on this stuff. When they say CarPlay 2 allows for a "blend of the two brands" they're meaning a 90/10 mixture at best. Part of the premium/luxury care experience is the preference for the full interactive experience with the vehicle. Maybe this will have some play in the general consumer brands that often have spartan or outright bad digital gauge clusters and infotainment. The upmarket consumer brands should guard against letting Apple cheapen their experience just because Apple think they can talk every customer they have into permanently living in their corporate design system every waking hour of the day.
CarPlay 1? I'm far less hostile about its intent from Apple and positive on the utility it provides. I think manufacturers should allow a little window into your phone (whether it is iPhone or Android OEM) where select apps have car-centric UIs to manage playing podcasts from, say, Overcast.
CarPlay 1? I'm far less hostile about its intent from Apple and positive on the utility it provides. I think manufacturers should allow a little window into your phone (whether it is iPhone or Android OEM) where select apps have car-centric UIs to manage playing podcasts from, say, Overcast.
CarPlay is also great when you don't want to be changed monthly for a data plan in your car to do the things which your iPhone already provides.
Rivian and Volkswagen Group Announce Plans for Joint - Newsroom - Rivian
Rivian and Volkswagen Group Announce Plans for Joint Venture to Create Industry-Leading Vehicle Software Technology and for Strategic Investment by Volkswagen
rivian.com
"Volkswagen Group to invest an initial $1 billion in Rivian, with up to $4 billion in planned additional investment for a total expected deal size of $5 billion"
Amazon joins $2T market cap club, boosted by Rivian stake and AI wave (NASDAQ:AMZN)
Amazon (AMZN) stock on Wednesday hit $2T market capitalization for the first time ever. Read more here.
seekingalpha.com
"With a 17% stake, Amazon (AMZN) is currently Rivian's (RIVN) largest shareholder"
They might be ok in the long run with strong backing unlike Fisker.
I like RJ and really like a lot of what Rivian is doing overall. While their current products aren't something I'm interested in (not a truck (R1T) guy and found the R1S (large SUV) too big) I have put in a reservation for the R2 (smaller SUV) that is due in 2026.
Here is the issue with CarPlay - there is no revenue stream for manufactures do adopt it. They are already going to lose a large revenue stream going electric (Rivian of course is all electric from the start) since EVs require much less maintenance etc. I do think a lot of this has to due with putting pressure on Apple to maybe change the business model of CarPlay with either some sort of sharing of revenues or licensing.
Tesla (which I have owned for the last 6+ years) has done a really good job at developing their own ecosystem but also by adding other applications (including Apple Music and Podcasts, Spotify, Tidal etc). Still I would have liked for them to support CarPlay or at least support casting (airplay?) from my iPhone into either a partial screen or take over the screen.
Here is the issue with CarPlay - there is no revenue stream for manufactures do adopt it. They are already going to lose a large revenue stream going electric (Rivian of course is all electric from the start) since EVs require much less maintenance etc. I do think a lot of this has to due with putting pressure on Apple to maybe change the business model of CarPlay with either some sort of sharing of revenues or licensing.
Tesla (which I have owned for the last 6+ years) has done a really good job at developing their own ecosystem but also by adding other applications (including Apple Music and Podcasts, Spotify, Tidal etc). Still I would have liked for them to support CarPlay or at least support casting (airplay?) from my iPhone into either a partial screen or take over the screen.
Car companies just don't want to accept that most of us want: "just a car"
We don't need "an experience" or "their ecosystem" or "a new vision"
Just...Make... the frickin' car ... which works with what we already have and use (our Phones)
We don't need "an experience" or "their ecosystem" or "a new vision"
Just...Make... the frickin' car ... which works with what we already have and use (our Phones)
this says it all
"Rivian plans to incorporate many of its desirable features on an "à la carte basis.""
Here comes the monthly fee to open your frunk.
I was hoping Apple and Rivian would partner but I guess that is unlikely now.
"Rivian plans to incorporate many of its desirable features on an "à la carte basis.""
Here comes the monthly fee to open your frunk.
I was hoping Apple and Rivian would partner but I guess that is unlikely now.
You pay for something you already pay for and applaud. Its amazing. You have a device in your pocket with cellular and you likely already have a music service. You are paying to do something you can already do just for a car. 2024 and Tesla still doesn’t support the fourth big streaming service (Amazon Music). Companies are making money on ad revenue writing articles for the best way to get Amazon Music in your car. Tesla is also making you pay while making money selling your data.
Sorry No.
Yeah, the people defending all this saying "they don't charge!" are totally naive here
Of course this is all about creating a revenue stream eventually
Me too! The problem, especially for the car, no consistency when one sits in the drivers seat. The learning curve can be extensive in both time and frustration. The not so distant past a few buttons easy to learn.
Crushing them? Dream on! Making a car is not as easy as it seems, just look at how Apple’s Project Titan ended up.
In the future, when I buy an EV, it will have CarPlay and Android Auto. It doesn't matter how good your alternative is, because I won't even come to your dealership.
Yeah, even Fisker who actually sold cars which were less ambitious than Titan ended up failing.
Problem is bigger players are backing out and cutting their investments in EV market. It will most likely between Tesla and BYD.Rivian and Volkswagen Group Announce Plans for Joint - Newsroom - Rivian
Rivian and Volkswagen Group Announce Plans for Joint Venture to Create Industry-Leading Vehicle Software Technology and for Strategic Investment by Volkswagen
"Volkswagen Group to invest an initial $1 billion in Rivian, with up to $4 billion in planned additional investment for a total expected deal size of $5 billion"
Amazon joins $2T market cap club, boosted by Rivian stake and AI wave (NASDAQ:AMZN)
Amazon (AMZN) stock on Wednesday hit $2T market capitalization for the first time ever. Read more here.
"With a 17% stake, Amazon (AMZN) is currently Rivian's (RIVN) largest shareholder"
They might be ok in the long run with strong backing unlike Fisker.
Which car? I know the ford with Microsoft sync was really bad, even using car play with it.
Tesla’s don’t have Apple Carplay or Google map..but their own navigation map/navigation/phone system is excellent with over the air updates often. If you drive a Tesla you will not miss Apple CarPlay. Don’t know about Rivan?
BTW: I’ve found cars that do have Apple CarPlay using Google Maps are far better than most factory navigation systems.
BTW: I’ve found cars that do have Apple CarPlay using Google Maps are far better than most factory navigation systems.
You can use your phone and not pay for anything. Amazon Music and YouTube Music are rolling out in the next few months.
Agreed. Rivian and Tesla are the only car makers that I have seen take software seriously enough to have a point. For me, all other car makers should stick to Apple CarPlay and Android Auto options (until they are willing to invest more resources in software).
IIRC, Tesla uses Google Maps for their mapping data and Mapbox for their routing.
That sadly is becoming a non starter and should be illegal.
Recently found out my 2019 SantaFe I can’t do the rear brakes. Most auto shops can’t either. I’ve done brakes and rotors on my cars for years. Rear brakes have to be told to retract before you do the job then told to calibrate. Hyundai paywalled the ability to do that to such a high degree that it’s cost ineffective for even auto shops to pay for the tool. They charge tons of money at the dealership for a brake job and actually use the calibration as an excuse. It’s literally click open brakes do job then click calibrate. Other car companies it’s a setting in the dash. It’s insane.
Ya, I frequently drive in areas with no cell reception, so I keep everything local on my phone.
Hence it is importance for me to be able to access the information on my phone itself.
That’s a joke right? Look up Amazon Music it’s been coming in a few months since 2022. I pay for cell service I pay for Amazon Music. Why am I paying Tesla to do that in a car for an hour and a half on days I go to work?
I mean is this what you want to support? Bought new headphones? 10 bucks a month to listen to music on them. New speaker? 10 bucks a month.
In most states you can’t touch your phone while driving. Want to change playlists? Pull over. Switch to maps? Pull over.
It all just works in my CarPlay car and I pay nothing because I already own the services.
New music service comes out you like? Or maybe you like something less popular? You can ask for it for more than half the life of your car and maybe get it likely not. Bluetooth is a non starter.
IMO, carplay is a crutch for bad car software. If Rivian can deliver a better car UX, then they should pursue that.
Cannot wait for R3!
Cannot wait for R3!
CarPlay and Android Auto course correct terrible OEM infotainment systems in most ways, but I've yet to own a car where I didn't need to jump in and out of Car Play of AA at times. If Rivian can make an infotainment system that doesn't suck - this isn't bad, and electric vehicles are software centric and a different thing from old school infotainment systems.
Rivian's system is also Android based which makes porting native Android apps easier - which would make one think "why not add google maps then?" And it's because NAV in an electric car is also monitoring your charge level, when and where to charge during a long trip, etc. that Google Maps and Apples maps don't have the ability to do without some hefty integrations.
That's probably for me the biggest issue I have with electric cars. Their NAV systems all suck but you need them if you're driving anywhere beyond local.
Rivian's system is also Android based which makes porting native Android apps easier - which would make one think "why not add google maps then?" And it's because NAV in an electric car is also monitoring your charge level, when and where to charge during a long trip, etc. that Google Maps and Apples maps don't have the ability to do without some hefty integrations.
That's probably for me the biggest issue I have with electric cars. Their NAV systems all suck but you need them if you're driving anywhere beyond local.