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On AppleTV, Apple serves me ads for shows or games that I am literally watching when the ad pops over the screen.

At least if someone else is tracking me instead of Apple, they'll do it competently.
Most newer vehicles have telematics units that could still record where you go, or how fast you drive. They still have microphones that could listen to what you are saying in car or what you are listening to. So unless folks are ripping those things out, I'm not sure CarPlay is providing the level of privacy they think it does.
 
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People like liquid ass so much that they are already starting to remove it now that Alan Dye is finally gone.

And come on, Apple Music app is a pile of crap, even if you like the service. It’s even worse on the Mac.
LG is not being removed. It’s going to be tweaked.

As far as Apple Music I do like it. I like the iOS app and I like the Tesla app.
 
Dude all the use cases for CarPlay have been POI on maps, using a different audio streaming service than the most popular ones, Or other things that are totally doable without CarPlay.
LOL it's obvious that you're completely missing the point, so I think further arguments are just a waste of imaginary paper.

Frankly I don’t like the app grid on iPhones, don’t need it on my car. Why does my car need the same UI as my phone? Do you think the iPhone UI should also be used on your toaster or lawn mower?
See above.
 
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A fun thought experiement: imagine how much better the legacy automakers native UI could be if they hadn't spent the last 10 years lazily outsourcing that to Apple
I recall what their native UI were before CarPlay / Android Auto. They did not seem like they were designed by humans or for humans. Doing nearly anything took unnecessary extra steps and using voice commands required memorizing exact phrases. Mapping a route was like programming a 1960s computer via punch cards.

Automotive companies don't specialize in consumer software, and left to their own devices would continue putting out monstrous inferfaces. Just like Apple doesn't know how to build a car. If anything, Apple and Google pushed them to be more attentive to their own UI / UX development.
 
I recall what their native UI were before CarPlay / Android Auto. They did not seem like they were designed by humans or for humans. Doing nearly anything took unnecessary extra steps and using voice commands required memorizing exact phrases. Mapping a route was like programming a 1960s computer via punch cards.

Automotive companies don't specialize in consumer software, and left to their own devices would continue putting out monstrous inferfaces. Just like Apple doesn't know how to build a car. If anything, Apple and Google pushed them to be more attentive to their own UI / UX development.
the UI for many of them is still like this… outside of infotainment functionality being done by CarPlay.
Is this an argument for OEMs to do better UI or for apple to take over the entire software stack?
LOL it's obvious that you're completely missing the point, so I think further arguments are just a waste of imaginary paper.


See above.
you keep saying that… but the only thread I’m seeing here is that you just want it to be done by Apple. If it’s not Apple you’re not interested. This is fine. I disagree, but if you just want it to be done by Apple I can’t argue, because it doesn’t matter how good Tesla or Rivian’s software is, it isn’t Apple. I don’t think that’s a very good argument and I think a huge percentage of the people that “want CarPlay” just want a better UI experience in their car. Which Tesla and Rivian offer.
 
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Automotive companies don't specialize in consumer software, and left to their own devices would continue putting out monstrous inferfaces. Just like Apple doesn't know how to build a car. If anything, Apple and Google pushed them to be more attentive to their own UI / UX development.

The automotive companies that don’t support CarPlay do not have monstrous interfaces, though.
 
the UI for many of them is still like this… outside of infotainment functionality being done by CarPlay.
Is this an argument for OEMs to do better UI or for apple to take over the entire software stack?

you keep saying that… but the only thread I’m seeing here is that you just want it to be done by Apple. If it’s not Apple you’re not interested. This is fine. I disagree, but if you just want it to be done by Apple I can’t argue, because it doesn’t matter how good Tesla or Rivian’s software is, it isn’t Apple. I don’t think that’s a very good argument and I think a huge percentage of the people that “want CarPlay” just want a better UI experience in their car. Which Tesla and Rivian offer.
I want it to reside on my phone and be the same regardless of the car I use. Since I use Apple, I am looking got CarPlay. If I ever switch back to Android, I'll be looking for Android Auto.

I don't want a "better" experience. I am fine with what CP has to offer. I want a good experience that is consistent from one car to another regardless of the brand. That is the point that you seem to be missing. (Consistently.)

Given that most cars are sold with CarPlay and Android Auto, the statistic seems to imply that the majority of buyers do care about that.
 
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The automotive companies that don’t support CarPlay do not have monstrous interfaces, though.
Perhaps. I honestly don't know. When I was in Tesla, the interface on that massive tablet seemed a bit too busy. But even Tesla is now working on bringing CarPlay into its vehicles.
 
I want it to reside on my phone and be the same regardless of the car I use. Since I use Apple, I am looking got CarPlay. If I ever switch back to Android, I'll be looking for Android Auto.

I don't want a "better" experience. I am fine with what CP has to offer. I want a good experience that is consistent from one car to another regardless of the brand. That is the point that you seem to be missing. (Consistently.)

Are you driving 13 different brands of cars every day? If that’s the case I can see that settling for CarPlay in a quest for consistency may be appealing.

I’ve just never found car interfaces difficult to learn. Though to be fair I am focused on driving.
 
I want it to reside on my phone and be the same regardless of the car I use. Since I use Apple, I am looking got CarPlay. If I ever switch back to Android, I'll be looking for Android Auto.

I don't want a "better" experience. I am fine with what CP has to offer. I want a good experience that is consistent from one car to another regardless of the brand. That is the point that you seem to be missing. (Consistently.)

Given that most cars are sold with CarPlay and Android Auto, the statistic seems to imply that the majority of buyers do care about that.
It’s a fair point that my Rivian preferences are not copied over to any dumpy rental car I might drive, but I’m not convinced most people drive as many different cars as you seem to.
I genuinely do not think you are a typical soccer mom, or 24 year old buying their first car. Most people just want something that works well and is easy to use.
 
It’s a fair point that my Rivian preferences are not copied over to any dumpy rental car I might drive, but I’m not convinced most people drive as many different cars as you seem to.
I genuinely do not think you are a typical soccer mom, or 24 year old buying their first car. Most people just want something that works well and is easy to use.
Well we were going through the “soccer mom” period - and so were most of our friends and family - for almost 20 years.

I don’t know whether that “soccer mom” concept is as widespread as it used to be 40 years ago. In practically all families that we interact with both parents work demanding professional jobs and share the domestic load and this means any of them can be driving kids around in whatever car is better suited for this on any given day. “Dad’s truck” or “mom’s SUV” are just labels, dad will be driving the kid hauler as often as is necessary.

Also, some people stick to leasing and this means a different car every 2-3 years. After a certain age most people are no longer excited to learn a new interface every time.

I agree that I probably travel and use rentals more than an average person. But again, I am trying to explain why CarPlay is inportant to me.
 
Are you driving 13 different brands of cars every day? If that’s the case I can see that settling for CarPlay in a quest for consistency may be appealing
I drive different brands almost every week, business travel rentals.

And “focusing on driving” means being able to use voice commands to map destinations or place / answer calls or texts while en route to the meeting.

I’ve just never found car interfaces difficult to learn. Though to be fair I am focused on driving.

They are not difficult to learn if you only use one car.

Before CarPlay, even when switching between my car and my wife’s car, both of which I knew very well, I had issues trying to recall different voice commands that were specific to each vehicle.

And of course there’s contacts, POI etc. that really belong on my phone, not in the car.
 
I feel like no one here has ever used a Tesla / Rivian (both dont use CarPlay and offer their own software). I've used both and they are miles ahead of BMW, Honda, etc's offerings.

I haven't missed CarPlay (and I love CarPlay).
Same here, I've had every iPhone and every car I've ever owned has had CarPlay and I wouldn't want to use a car without CarPlay. Just got a Tesla a few months ago and I don't even miss CarPlay one single bit.
 
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You shouldn’t be doing any of those things while driving. Pull over if you MUST SEND A TEXT RIGHT NOW.
Right Karen, because giving a voice command to Siri while keeping my hands on the steering wheel and eyes on the road is more dangerous than pulling over on a busy freeway, or changing radio station via physical buttons on the dashboard, or drinking hot coffee, or driving while tired.

Texting while driving is very dangerous when you have to use your phone and your hands, which is why hands-free natural language voice recognition services exist. But some people just can't pass an opportunity to value-signal on a public forum even when it doesn't really make sense.
 
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Right Karen, because giving a voice command to Siri while keeping my hands on the steering wheel and eyes on the road is more dangerous than pulling over on a busy freeway, or changing radio station via physical buttons on the dashboard, or drinking hot coffee, or driving while tired.

Texting while driving is very dangerous when you have to use your phone and your hands, which is why hands-free natural language voice recognition services exist. But some people just can't pass an opportunity to value-signal on a public forum even when it doesn't really make sense.

If the freeway is too busy to pull over, then you wait. It’ll be ok. Trust me, people receiving those poorly formed speech-to-text iMessages from you can tell you’re in the car, and it is annoying.

If you are important enough that someone can’t wait even a moment to hear back from you, then you’d have someone driving you.
 
Right Karen, because giving a voice command to Siri while keeping my hands on the steering wheel and eyes on the road is more dangerous than pulling over on a busy freeway, or changing radio station via physical buttons on the dashboard, or drinking hot coffee, or driving while tired.

Texting while driving is very dangerous when you have to use your phone and your hands, which is why hands-free natural language voice recognition services exist. But some people just can't pass an opportunity to value-signal on a public forum even when it doesn't really make sense.
I’m on your side with this one. Using voice commands to send a text is very useful. If a driver have have a conversation with a person in the car ( which all drivers do) they can send a text. It’s the only way to send a text safely.
Rivian alerts me on the driver display and with a subtle sound that a text was received with contact name and avatar but no message content. I then ask Rivian assistant to read the text to me, which it does. Then I can then respond verbally and have the car send it. No hands required, eyes only for the alert, but frankly the sound is enough.
It’s seemless, and safe.
 
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Right Karen, because giving a voice command to Siri while keeping my hands on the steering wheel and eyes on the road is more dangerous than pulling over on a busy freeway, or changing radio station via physical buttons on the dashboard, or drinking hot coffee, or driving while tired.

Texting while driving is very dangerous when you have to use your phone and your hands, which is why hands-free natural language voice recognition services exist. But some people just can't pass an opportunity to value-signal on a public forum even when it doesn't really make sense.
Out of curiosity, do you drive an EV? From what I have seen, Apple Maps still needs some work on EV Routing, and I was curious if anyone else has talked about it's UX.
 
Out of curiosity, do you drive an EV? From what I have seen, Apple Maps still needs some work on EV Routing, and I was curious if anyone else has talked about it's UX.
No, we usually get one vehicle with decent towing capacity and another with 6-7 seats, and there's no decent and (relatively) reasonably priced EV offerings in that space yet. Also, most EVs can't be repaired outside of dealership, and given the numbers on the roads around here, I don't know that there's sufficient capacity. Don't want to be waiting for months for something that takes days to fix. Even with ICE vehicles, I prefer to go to an independent mechanic rather than waiting for the dealership, I can usually get my car fixed much faster and at a better price.

I’m on your side with this one. Using voice commands to send a text is very useful. If a driver have have a conversation with a person in the car ( which all drivers do) they can send a text. It’s the only way to send a text safely.
Rivian alerts me on the driver display and with a subtle sound that a text was received with contact name and avatar but no message content. I then ask Rivian assistant to read the text to me, which it does. Then I can then respond verbally and have the car send it. No hands required, eyes only for the alert, but frankly the sound is enough.
It’s seemless, and safe.
Same thing with CarPlay, and probably Android Auto. That's the whole idea behind hands-free NLP voice commands. You can forbid something and then have to strictly enforce it and people will still break the law, or you can make it safe and convenient to where you don't have to worry about it being a problem. Unlike driving while drunk / high, texting or calling is not inherently dangerous by itself, it's all in how you do that. People fumbling around with climate controls or operating buttons on the dashboard have to take their eyes off the road and one hand off the steering wheel, while saying "Hey Siri send a text" doesn't require me to do anything other than opening my mouth.
 
most EVs can't be repaired outside of dealership,

I know you don't care because you demand CarPlay, but this is not true. Rivian, for example, has a rapidly expanding network of authorized 3rd party repair centers. They even have a tool on their website to locate one.
 
I know you don't care because you demand CarPlay, but this is not true. Rivian, for example, has a rapidly expanding network of authorized 3rd party repair centers. They even have a tool on their website to locate one.
Thanks, good to know.

My family member got into a relatively minor accident in her Tesla but the rear axle was hit so it was not safe to drive. Took her many months to get it fixed. West Coast city with tons of Teslas and only a few authorized repair shops.
 
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Thanks, good to know.

My family member got into a relatively minor accident in her Tesla but the rear axle was hit so it was not safe to drive. Took her many months to get it fixed. West Coast city with tons of Teslas and only a few authorized repair shops.
I got broadsided in my Tesla at 65. Thankfully out of all possible bad outcomes, both drivers walked away and both cars were able to drive away.

It took one month to fix the car at a 3rd party repair shop.

Years ago my wife was rear ended. Here Toyota spent two weeks in the shop. All of this is strictly anecdotal.

Even Tesla buckled and is reportedly testing CarPlay.
 
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