Totally fair point. I do think Rivian is correct that this will be resolved with deep AI integration, but you are correct that it isn’t currently.
Well there's also such thing as a familiar interface, not uploading all of my contacts and meetings into car manufacturer's grabby little hands, not having them monitor who I call or what locations I go to when I travel, being able to use home automation or add items to a shopping list while driving (when my mom stays with us she can never figure out the thermostat controls so I have to change the temp from another state lol). But yes, at some point I can see AI getting good enough for all of that, although it still doesn't resolve the privacy issues.
To some extent you have to believe half of what is in print and none of what is said, sorry to say. But v14 lite was delivered. And Tesla’s sales are stronger than ever. Teslas brand image issues are back to the usual EV nonsense. Actual competition to Tesla is starting to appear, but the price of that competition is still lofty. People still need and want an affordable EV vehicle.
I seem to recall someone promising a $25k EV 🤔…who was that?
Does anyone offer a $25K EV? Certainly not rivian.
I dont know check the link in the post above. Not sure they reached any saturation point.
See post above.
Normally I ask for a citation but a least Tesla’s FSD was not crippled by a little ice storm as was Waymo’s. Terrible.
Can’t say for certain, but at some point I believe CarPlay will arrive. 😀
Yes. A little company called Slate. Rivian took the high end approach that Tesla did so they are at their model3/Y stage. They’ve already hinted that they have a R4 and R5 in the works so you never know. Can’t hit 25k at the volumes Rivian is currently shipping.
Have they continued to grow? They had lower profits on cars in 2024 and 2025, the volumes are also lower. Hard to maintain growth when you don’t have anything new.
mashable.com
Maybe, you think once has CarPlay the floodgates will open and all the people that refuse to buy an ev without CarPlay will suddenly buy a tesla?
Slate is like the Cybertruck was and Roadster is. You can't buy one. Not to mention we do not know Teslas plans for a lower price EV. Tesla got rid of it's halo cars to focus on bigger picture corporate initiatives. That takes guts, my friend. And whether Rivian gets there...who knows?
Yes they have.
Tesla had a booming first quarter. I posted the link. If you're worried about margins and profits, don't be.
It's not widely accepted that Waymo has better autonomous driving.How frequently Tesla Robotaxis and Waymo vehicles crash
The latest Robotaxi crash involves a Tesla driving into a "fixed object" in a parking lot.
It’s widely accepted that Waymo has high safety and better autonomous driving. Don’t know where you’ve heard otherwise
People claim a lot on MR and yeah so once Tesla offers Carplay I think it will sway some people. Significant? I don't know. Model Y is still the best selling car in the world.
Slate is orderable today, people have driven them and they will deliver in 4th quarter. When is Tesla’s ? Oh right Elon backtracked on the $25k Tesla.
Tesla had a booming second quarter after a sluggish first quarter, and their margins have been shrinking amid the need for them to reduce prices to attract customers
I can come up with far more embarrassing incidents involving Tesla FSD and taxis, what we do know is that mile per mile the Waymos have fewer incidents.
CarPlay is irrelevant to the conversation. That’s my point. Tesla model y doesn’t need CarPlay to be the best selling car in the world. how can that be if everyone demands and requires CarPlay?
I can’t get one. Until the population can get one and get it delivered in a reasonable time frame, it’s vaporware.
Still eating everybody’s lunch. Just admit it they are back.
I don’t need some YouTube video to explain why I may like CarPlay in my next car or why multiple MR posters claim they will get a Tesla when CarPlay is available.
So you are saying it’s better to have an entire fleet incapacitated with lidars and sensors than a one off incident with fsd? Just not seeing the critical thinking there.
ok, but these exist, and people have driven them. they will release this year. meanwhile tesla blew it on the cybertruck instead.
Time will tell.
I don't need to convince you personally. the point is clear. most people just want good maps, good streaming services, some phone integration and they're good. No need for CarPlay. this is at least 90% of all the "I need CarPlay crowd"
I like to see that Waymo is taking safety seriously, rather than telling people FSD is full self driving and killing a bunch of people. Lidar isn't the problem.
It's pretty funny when these manufacturers have to try to explain why carplay ISN'T needed. Goes to show the influence of the product and Apple. To address your points.
As far as I am aware no Tesla running FSD v14 has come to a complete stop on the freeway over thinking a shadow was an obstacle. Cars that have other sensors also would have to stop (in city driving) if the cameras are covered because those cameras would be needed to read traffic signs and lights.
1. What do slate truck and the roadster not having in common, The Slate truck exists and people have seen it and driven it. and the roadster apparently is going to have rocket boosters or something?
Think they have more in common than no.
We're not ahead of ourselves. You can interpret the numbers any way you want. Won't change the stock price, profits, expansion, net revenue, etc.
Can't insert your opinion for the masses. Only what you think or believe about Carplay. Time will tell if Rivian and GM and others is right or wrong.
It's clear, you are pro-Waymo and don't get me wrong. It's a great system, just not as scalable as easily as FSD(supervised). What was seemingly perfect a lot while ago has started to show chinks in their armor with no amount of sensors helping. Scalability matters and the compute AI that Tesla has invested in will get much, much better much faster imo. Us debating it won’t change the future. We’ll see.
We can agree to disagree here. Let’s return to the topic at hand.
1. Read the second part of the headline in your link.
