rMBP week 45 screen brand

[nolegirl01]

Is warmer the screen the better?

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is warmer the screen the better?

Not neccessarily better, I guess it depends on taste, I like my screen a little bit on the cooler side than warm, but I did think my samsung screen was a little bit brighter compared to those LG screen I found at the apple store, does cooler mean brighter? maybe depends....could it be that the Samsung screens are brighter and cooler than LG? possibly but unless you are looking at every single screen it's hard to tell and compare. I've heard of LG's looking better than Samsung as well, so I guess it's a hit or miss, but my specific samsung screen in my opinion looked better than the ones at the apple store which were LG...

Also people are calibrating their screens to achieve the look the want...so that could be an option....I haven't done any calibration on mine, so the way it looks now it was the way it came out of the box and it looks gooood

 

[Vrasteophwaaagh]

Here's a question: Were any of the LG screens which people have been receiving in the past few weeks part of custom builds?

I ask because it would be interesting to know whether Apple's getting rid of older stock or actively including LG monitors in fresh builds. It would also be interesting to know whether every LG screen reported is part of the same batch -- whether it's a problem at the manufacturing level or intrinsic to the panel.

Mine was ordered on Thanksgiving but has a faster processor and more memory than stock. It was built in California and is expected during the first week in December.

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As for the unzipping of flies and the waving of monitor brand names suggestively at one another, perhaps that could be done in a comparison thread. Most of us don't want IR and I personally hadn't heard about dead pixels on the Samsungs until five posts ago on this one thread. Isn't the first concern acceptable functionality rather than aesthetics?

I love talking about cool vs. warm, but isn't our main concern here to avoid completely unacceptable defects? It isn't a question of the brand name, since both companies have shipped bad runs from time to time. It's a question of which of these specific panels is least likely to be defective.

I'm disinclined to want an LG screen on my rMBP given what I've read here (if it proves true), but I'm still interested in buying a Nexus 4, which is of course made by LG.

 

[paduff]

Week 48 custom build (upped processor to 2.6G). The display is Samsung (and gorgeous to these discerning, but not super finicky, eyes).

 

[millerrh]

Also color tints, white points, blacks, contrast, and all that can be tuned with calibration. You can get pretty cheap calibration utilities out there. I'm not the least bit concerned with that, but an image that stays on your screen when you move a window? Unacceptable. I had that happen on a 10 year old Cinema Display and had to get rid if it. Super annoying.

 

[anarti]

Also color tints, white points, blacks, contrast, and all that can be tuned with calibration. You can get pretty cheap calibration utilities out there. I'm not the least bit concerned with that, but an image that stays on your screen when you move a window? Unacceptable. I had that happen on a 10 year old Cinema Display and had to get rid if it. Super annoying.

how can you change RBG values to match desired white point during retina screen calibration?

I use DispcalGUI + Eye One Display 2.

It's been week nearly of using my new retina and still no IR. I just can't see any problem with that screen.

 

[millerrh]

how can you change RBG values to match desired white point during retina screen calibration?

I use DispcalGUI + Eye One Display 2.

It's been week nearly of using my new retina and still no IR. I just can't see any problem with that screen.

I've got an older i1Pro and I just use the X-Rite calibration utility. It automatically adjusts for all this. I would assume the Eye One Display 2 also would. Unless there is something about the white point in these displays that makes them uncalibrateable.... but that doesn't make much sense. The whole point of calibration is to change whatever the monitor is outputting and make it a known good reference.

 

[Vrasteophwaaagh]

Week 48 custom build (upped processor to 2.6G). The display is Samsung (and gorgeous to these discerning, but not super finicky, eyes).

Paduff:

Thanks for the information! You and I made the same decision re the processor. Did yours issue from California as well?

LG Panel Owners:

Have any of you been the recipients of custom builds in the past few weeks?

Anarti:

It's possible your particular screen is not the same as that of others who have had the defect. It is also possible that a defect in your screen (or mine, whatever the brand) might occur over time. If you have Apple Care, I don't really see an issue for you. Enjoy your screen unless it stops being enjoyable, at which time, have it replaced.

Those who don't have Apple Care might be disinclined to want to wait until something happens to their screens. That makes them unwilling to take a risk on these particular LG panels, not critical of LG in general or your particular purchase.

Brand wars are an immense distraction when the object is to avoid specific defects. Mass production will always have its casualties.

 

[anarti]

Hmm, buying macbook gives you 1 year warranty, I just bought it. Does it have to be AppleCare (which I can buy during that first year anyway, like later on) to replace the screen? I got confused.

Paduf:


Thanks for the information!

Have any of you LG panel owners been the recipients of custom builds in the past few weeks?

Anarti:

It's possible your particular screen is not the same as that of others who have had the defect. It is also possible that a defect in your screen (or mine, whatever the brand) might occur over time. If you have Apple Care, I don't really see an issue for you. Enjoy your screen unless it stops being enjoyable, at which time, have it replaced.

Those who don't have Apple Care might be disinclined to want to wait until something happens to their screens. That makes them unwilling to take a risk on these particular LG panels, not critical of LG in general or your particular purchase.

Brand wars are an immense distraction when the object is to avoid specific defects. Mass production will always have its casualties.

 

[Vrasteophwaaagh]

Hmm, buying macbook gives you 1 year warranty, I just bought it. Does it have to be AppleCare (which I can buy during that first year anyway, like later on) to replace the screen? I got confused.

Yes, you may. However, you haven't saved any money or gained any extra time. According to Apple:

Your eligibility for coverage under the AppleCare Protection Plan starts from your hardware purchase date. Apple strongly recommends that you purchase the AppleCare Protection Plan when you purchase your Apple product to maximize the additional benefits provided under the plan.

In my experience, one of the so-called benefits is being hassled less over a given exchange or return by certain of the Apple Store's more dogmatic (and possibly oxymoronic) geniuses.

Apple again:

When you contact Apple for service or support, Apple can access your information right away and start addressing your issue, rather then spending time verifying your eligibility.

But of course you shouldn't have to pay for that. Changing the panel is something that should be done for you regardless.

 

[smurray]

Week 47, LG. IR within hours of first turning it on.

 

[DHagan4755]

Week 47, LG. IR within hours of first turning it on.

Was it a base config or did you customize it by adding more RAM or storage?

 

[Mac-Tech]

how can you change RBG values to match desired white point during retina screen calibration?

I use DispcalGUI + Eye One Display 2.

It's been week nearly of using my new retina and still no IR. I just can't see any problem with that screen.

It takes about 3 months or more to develop the IR issues with a LG panels.

 

[M5RahuL]

Is warmer the screen the better?

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is warmer the screen the better?

It's not any warmer than the LG I had prior to this one... The colors are vibrant, whites are milky white and blacks are inky [ but not as good as my Plasma, but almost there...pretty darn good for an uncalibrated screen ] and there is absolutely NO yellow/pink or blue/purplish tint. My iPad 4 and iPhone 4S, in comparison, are warmer. IPhone 4 has a bluish tint.

The computer's screen is more akin to the iPad 3 [ a bit on the cooler side, but not too cool like the iPhone 4 ]

This is a week 29 [ July ] BTO Build.

Absolutely love the screen!!

 

[anarti]

Quick update. I just spotted IR on my LG retina screen

having open iTUnes on grey wallpaper it clearly shows ghosting.

I've got local Apple Store in Aberdeen (UK) but would they replace the screen if this was bought online (BTO) for business....

Don't want to waste any time sending machine anywhere as this is my current computer.

 

[iPersian]

they should replace even though its bought online however if you have bought it for business i really dont know but i cant image that it makes a difference.

 

[iLukeJoseph]

To those that say the LG has better blacks. Show me a black level reading. And those saying the Samsung has a better "white point" and is "brighter", show me a reading.

90% of you don't know what white point is, don't know that "brighter is not better". And would probably think a properly calibrated display looks bad.

Reason I say brighter should not be seen as a benchmark of a display, is that most display's are calibrated between 80 and 180 cd/m2 (100% depends on the lighting conditions and what the end user is after). Can both rMBP's achieve this? Yes 100% no problem. If you are finding yourself constantly maxing out the "brightness" setting on your rMBP, you probably should be looking at a different laptop, or device all together.

Look at my signature and look at the graphs (I can upload a stock reading too). From what I remember stock, is that it was good, very good infact, but calibration made it near perfect. And I would have no doubts the LG will also calibrate to a similar spec.

Black level, which is 100% a benchmark of a display. Read at .09~.11 cd/m2. In TV terms, which I use ftL for that is about .03ftL. So very very dark, darker than most plasma's by a fair margin actually.

My point is, anyone trying to say one screen is better than the other in terms of blacks, whites, color reproduction, etc.... Please start posting some data to back up the claim. And in reality, if you are not willing to buy the equipment to calibrate (cheapest recommendation would be the i1 Display pro, stay away from Spyder, even though the 4 is pretty good), then you don't really have a place to comment.

 

[locoboi187]

The only crap I've heard is this.

Since if you knew sod all about it, you'd be able to logically weigh up the two screens. Knowing that the LG has better blacks, and better colour reproduction, whilst the samsung has better whites, and is brighter.

Which is "better" depends on the person - not some half-arsed trolling comment

Keep telling yourself that. My friend has an LG, and I've had both Samsung and LG and I know Samsung is better in side by side comparisons. LG is highly flawed even if you claim its color is better. Color is more negligible and I'll give you that, but blacks, Samsung has that better. Samsung also has better brightness and whites. The only thing I will truely admit is Samsung having more of a warmer tint, and LG having a cooler tint. There may be some LG screens with little issues, but that's only some. LG is plagued with IR and light bleed. The issues of many outweigh the few who have little issue with LG. Just because I state you facts does not mean it's trolling if I make you all worked up with your attitude. Regardless of what you reply, if you do, I know my Samsung screen is "better" than the LG ones out there. This may be a controversial topic, but if you actually searched around the forums, you can see LG is worse. You may show examples of bad Samsung screens from around the forum, but you'll find much fewer compared to LG.

Btw: To make this perfectly clear for you, I am defining better as something that has less issues and more realistic colors. However, to somewhat satisfy you, the colors part is up to debate.

 

[smurray]

Was it a base config or did you customize it by adding more RAM or storage?

Customized with more RAM and CPU upgrade.

 

[Vrasteophwaaagh]

Customized with more RAM and CPU upgrade.

That's not what I wanted to hear, but thanks very much for letting us know!

(Is it just me, or is there pronounced sexual tension in the Samsung/LG tough-off going on around us?)

 

[Xenn0X]

Production week: 41 (October)
Screen: LG (no issues)

 

[Brian Y]

Keep telling yourself that. My friend has an LG, and I've had both Samsung and LG and I know Samsung is better in side by side comparisons. LG is highly flawed even if you claim its color is better. Color is more negligible and I'll give you that, but blacks, Samsung has that better. Samsung also has better brightness and whites. The only thing I will truely admit is Samsung having more of a warmer tint, and LG having a cooler tint. There may be some LG screens with little issues, but that's only some. LG is plagued with IR and light bleed. The issues of many outweigh the few who have little issue with LG. Just because I state you facts does not mean it's trolling if I make you all worked up with your attitude. Regardless of what you reply, if you do, I know my Samsung screen is "better" than the LG ones out there. This may be a controversial topic, but if you actually searched around the forums, you can see LG is worse. You may show examples of bad Samsung screens from around the forum, but you'll find much fewer compared to LG.

Btw: To make this perfectly clear for you, I am defining better as something that has less issues and more realistic colors. However, to somewhat satisfy you, the colors part is up to debate.

Wow - showing your true colours in that reply!

Put a Samsung and an LG side by side - the Samsung has far worse blacks. And, by the way, my home one is LG and my work one is Samsung, and I actually prefer the LG.

"You keep telling yourself that".

 

[bonbmdxman]

I picked up a 15" retina yesterday - week 47 build. It has an LG screen . I noticed some slight IR, so I'm going to go to the apple store later to see if they will exchange it and hopefully I'll, get one with a Samsung screen.

Additionally, I noticed that my SSD is from SanDisk. Under system info it said "SD256E." I opened up the MacBook and saw that the 4 larger NAND chips are from SanDisk but the smaller chip was still from Samsung (which I'm assuming is the controller). Anyone else notice this??

 

[Northgrove]

I swear I've heard this crap before. Besides, what good is getting a Samsung if it's got a yellow tint? I don't understand why Apple has this yellow tint problem?

At least a slight yellow tint should be quite easily curable by using a proper color profile for your display. A color profile works by adjusting any tints in software and gets rid of them all, making any white areas perfectly white unless the yellow tint is not uniform across the display. A color profile is basically a "counter weight" to get a monitor back to the "real world", i.e. how the same colors would look on a printed paper.

If color accuracy is important in your field of work, it's actually best to use a color profiler on your own display and build a custom color profile for it. It'll not only help against individual "quirks" on the displays, but also against the particular ambient light in your room affecting how the colors look compared to print.

I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if some user(s) have already built a custom profile for Samsung Retina displays to help here, and have it available for download online. Color profiles are applied to your display in the OS X System Preferences. Although it would be optimal for you to create your very own due to minor differences across display assemblies.

The cold/warm differences are probably due to Apple being kind of lazy and using the identical color profile for two different displays produced in two entirely different factories, even using somewhat different technologies. They should really not do that for laptops aimed for professional work where the display is the greatest highlight by far.

The IR problem is tougher since only other hardware can help against that.

 

[snoylekim]

At least a slight yellow tint should be quite easily curable by using a proper color profile for your display. A color profile works by adjusting any tints in software and gets rid of them all, making any white areas perfectly white unless the yellow tint is not uniform across the display. A color profile is basically a "counter weight" to get a monitor back to the "real world", i.e. how the same colors would look on a printed paper.

If color accuracy is important in your field of work, it's actually best to use a color profiler on your own display and build a custom color profile for it. It'll not only help against individual "quirks" on the displays, but also against the particular ambient light in your room affecting how the colors look compared to print.

I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if some user(s) have already built a custom profile for Samsung Retina displays to help here, and have it available for download online. Color profiles are applied to your display in the OS X System Preferences. Although it would be optimal for you to create your very own due to minor differences across display assemblies.

The cold/warm differences are probably due to Apple being kind of lazy and using the identical color profile for two different displays produced in two entirely different factories, even using somewhat different technologies. They should really not do that for laptops aimed for professional work where the display is the greatest highlight by far.

The IR problem is tougher since only other hardware can help against that.

There is already a calibration thread or two in this forum where users have calibrated both Samsung and LG displays , and posted the reports showing that either display behaves extremely well when calibrated ( close to reference values for Black Point, White Point , and Reference Colors) .. There are also some profiles that have been posted , although the disclaimers about using a pre-made profile apply .. they're there for anyone to try .. The fact that either display can be calibrated to these levels is a really good thing as far as compared to other laptops ( both Mac and Windows) that aren't workstation certified .. So .. if you want to really exploit the benefits of the rMBP and the display/graphics capabilities, it's more than possible .. Doesn't say there isn't an outlier or two out there ..but , as a previous poster suggested , discussions about intrinsic 'warm', 'cold', 'tints' ... naw ... maybe right out of the box, but that doesn't count if you're serious about color ..

 

[rw3]

Week 44 with a Samsung (LSN) screen.

My unit was a replacement unit for a unit that had image retention on a 2 month old LG screen. Was fine for the first month and then I could see a my dock icons when I would go full screen in Safari or Chrome.