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Again youve simply proven my point that all they have at the moment is the usual games, it matters because there are other gamers with different tastes who unlike you are not satisfied by Metroid 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and Super Duper Mario Bros and Sisters 5

Of course unlike the PS3, which has Ridge Racer 7, Call of Duty 3 (Also multi-platform), Fight Night Round 3 (Also multi-platform), Virtua Tennis 3 (Also multi-platform) and coming soon Spider Man 3 (Also multi-platform) yet another Grand Theft Auto... This is what happens on every console, you get a game that sells they make a sequel, or 3...
 
meh, most of my mistyped words are easy enough to make out.
* but I'll try harder ;) *

And like I said, you are talking about CONSUMER options, and I am talking about DEV options. The difference is paramount. Per your argument it woudl be better to not have the HDD, as some consumers may only buy optical discs, and never be online. They may never have a need for intenal storage(other than a small memory card, etc.), and I am sure they'll hapily save their $100 or so dollars getting the "cheaper" SKU.

But for devs the solution would better be suited if the feature was static(not optional). That gives them the option to use it now, use it later, or don't use it at all(if its not needed, much like your Bethesda statement). But now they have the option. MS took away that option with their SKU model, and that is why ROCKSTAR has openly admitted the lack of larger capacity discs and an internal drive may be somewhat of a nuisance.

While you currently have more options as a consumers(with 360), developers, at least Rockstar(I'm sure more will come forward as time goes on), have more options when developing PS3 games.

[EDIT] btw - Sir Howard Stringer(Sony Chaiman/CEO) was awarded a knighthood in the New Year Honours list released in December 1999.
whatever that has to do with anything is anybodies guess........
 
Of course unlike the PS3, which has Ridge Racer 7, Call of Duty 3 (Also multi-platform), Fight Night Round 3 (Also multi-platform), Virtua Tennis 3 (Also multi-platform) and coming soon Spider Man 3 (Also multi-platform) yet another Grand Theft Auto... This is what happens on every console, you get a game that sells they make a sequel, or 3...

These are 3rd party games thats the difference. They will sell in the shed loads and will come out of developers all throughout the year. There's enough diversity in there (you just mentioned a futuristic racer, world war 2 game, sandbox, boxing, tennis)

With Nintendo its not Virtua fighter tennis its Mario tennis, its Mario Kart not Riiiiiiiiidge Raaaaaacer (sorry). These games can be brought out all year. You cant ship 3 Mario karts each year. You can ship 5 different boxing games.

Anyway im off to bed, London tomorrow
 
These are 3rd party games thats the difference. They will sell in the shed loads and will come out of developers all throughout the year. There's enough diversity in there (you just mentioned a futuristic racer, world war 2 game, sandbox, boxing, tennis)

With Nintendo its not Virtua fighter tennis its Mario tennis, its Mario Kart not Riiiiiiiiidge Raaaaaacer (sorry). These games can be brought out all year. You cant ship 3 Mario karts each year. You can ship 5 different boxing games.

Anyway im off to bed, London tomorrow

Hahahaha. I'm sorry, it hasn't been since fans actually believed "4D" have I laughed so much in a console thread.

Firstly you say "metroid 1-7", okay, (and Markleshark, you missed these gems!) where have you been with Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest? What about Resident Evil? Get your bloody mind in gear before you reply next time before accusing Nintendo of running in the sequel race. The only difference is Nintendo games are tied to their systems. Just as much as FF7-whatever we're up to now are tied to Sony systems.

Now, I respect C-D and (used to) Onizuka because they at least try to be slightly educated in their responses and arguments.


Sparky8 said:
Games such as? Dont just give me software numbers because its likely that more are in development for the other next gen consoles, give me actual titles which people will want. Like Assassins Creed, GTA, Devil may Cry. 3rd party games that will make me want to buy a console.

Right. So you have no idea of how the hell the gaming industry works. You should have said that earlier. You think they order dev kits in January and announce games in what... May? Games are usually announced when they're about 50-90% completed unless they are mega projects or expected like Halo, Smash Bros, FF-million.

It proves firstly that Nintendo, like with the cube (which you didn't recognize) are again solely relying on in house support for their console. Without AAA 3rd party games there wont be enough diversity for gamers to want to buy the console and there wont be enough quality games being released. Short term success now doesn't guarantee that in 1 years time when the PS3 is established, lower in price with some quality AAA titles, that people are going to choose the Wii on price point alone.

ROFL! So. Nintendo. Who were the only company to believe in their product before it took the world by storm, the only major developers for it (I mean they were making ridiculous claims, who'd have thought they would have totally worked out? We didn't, hence our late dev kit order). They bring out killer games (highest rated this gen and re-release the one before last too, no less) and pretty much own the current console race. So. Other devs see what's happening and buy dev kits. They flock to where the attention is, any self respecting company wanting money will do this. These dev kits for the most sought after console were just ordered... oh I don't know... to go fishing with? As somebody who doesn't know anything about the industry at all could you please educate me on what they are doing?

That is in the past already.

Oh, also want to know why devs are flocking to the Wii? Lower dev price. A major publisher announced a while ago how much standard 360/PS3 and Wii games cost to be developed.

So. Devs go to the system that has massive public appeal (check) and will cost them less money to make a game for (check). Have you not even worked this out yet?

Again youve simply proven my point that all they have at the moment is the usual games, it matters because there are other gamers with different tastes who unlike you are not satisfied by Metroid 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and Super Duper Mario Bros and Sisters 5

My lovely white keyboard has pure orange juice all over the keys now :( See hypocrite, or the above messages mocking you. Bye bye, serious discussion.

Peter Molyneux was recently given the same honour by France
Right, and? He's tied to a system too. He got 3 platinum scoring games in Famitsu? (no really I don't know and would like to).

I don't mean to sound rude, but how old are you Sparky?
 
I think the Wii is better because it has excite truck. Thats a great game. LOL
 
I think the Wii is better because it has excite truck. Thats a great game. LOL

Ars Technica said the same thing too :) , minus the LOL bit.

Incidentally they had a Motorstorm advert at the cinema today. Laughibly with "representative of ingame footage", they can't even say "not ingame footage" anymore :D that deserves more than a LOL, a ROFL? Every gamer in the audience chuckled when that bit popped up.
 
I think this is wonderful news, because GTA is the worst game ever created, and anything that holds them back is good in my book. :p

Best. Game. Ever. :cool:

…and improve the incredibly noisy drive.

A 12x DVD reader will never be quiet. That's why a 2x bluray is superior.
HD-DVD will never replace DVD because it isn't used for games. One more for bluray.

Oh, I definitely don't agree with that. $250 vs. $600 is a huge difference.

A difference of a few extra weeks of saving… shouldn't be hard if you want it.

The game is shipping on a DVD9. FFS. Upping it to PS3 and using BluRay, WTF does that achieve? It was a point on storage and that a super huge friggin super game like that can live on a DVD9.

Quieter operation, and possibly the only 1080p support. 360 may only do i.

And to any kids who are expecting their parents not to notice the difference betwen $250 and $600 - FFS grow up :mad: $600 is a weeks wages (or more) for a lot of people.

Anyone saying the PS3's higher price is downside while typing that response on a Mac, is a hypocrite.

That said, I can't wait for the new GTA!!!
 
Quieter operation, and possibly the only 1080p support. 360 may only do i.
Much of the loudness factor was the DVD drive, which was solved with the consoles from December onwards, IIRC? And the 360 does 1080p. You lose two of those points.
 
A 12x DVD reader will never be quiet. That's why a 2x bluray is superior.

Don't know where you got that from. 2x for blu ray doesn't mean it is spinning slower than a 12x DVD.

2x just means it is reading data at twice the speed as a standard blu ray drive. The actual speed of the drive is not defined. If 1x blu ray was 10K RPM then 2x would be 20K RPM.
 
I don't know where he got this from either-

Anyone saying the PS3's higher price is downside while typing that response on a Mac, is a hypocrite.

It's truly a dark day when you have to convince Mac users on a Mac forum that Macs being expensive is a myth :rolleyes:
I got the high end 17" iMac (latest model) for £700, and then a second one for £400. I would love to see a Dell or any other brand hardware manufacturer give me quality components at the same price :) Macs are priced alongside their spec competition. Oh, and aren't the MacPro's even loads cheaper than a spec identical Dell?
Lot's of real life ROFL's today.
 
Anyone saying the PS3's higher price is downside while typing that response on a Mac, is a hypocrite.

Haha to some degree it is. It's more like, if you spend $400 or $500 on an iPod, you could buy a PS3. The difference there is that EVERYONE loves music, and I don't know the percentage of consumers that likes videogames. Buying a Mac on the other hand is, probably on the same track as music; a computer is somewhat of a necessity. But you're somewhat right about some being a hypocrite. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I can't believe this thread is just a big argument over pricing. C'mon, we've had MILLIONS of threads like this already! This is definitely like some of IGNs threads. A whole lotta flaming and flamebait, and very little dicussion. :p
 
^ and a blatant skipping over the fact that spec for spec, Apple aren't nearly as expensive as some Dells. The only way you'd get a cheaper system is by using substandard brands like AMD or naff hard drives and memory brands. :rolleyes:

You should probably retract the iPod/PS3 comparison soonish. Infact it's downright laughable, a brand new 80gb iPod Video costs £185.00 on Amazon. that's the same price as a Wii (or if you want, go extra and get the most expensive iPod on Amazon, £200, the same price as an Xbox 360 Core). And haven't we already had a "if you can afford a Wii you can afford a PS3" discussion. This is getting tiring.
 
^ and a blatant skipping over the fact that spec for spec, Apple aren't nearly as expensive as some Dells. The only way you'd get a cheaper system is by using substandard brands like AMD or naff hard drives and memory brands. :rolleyes:

Excuse me but AMD is not a substandard brand. For the last few years they've had the most powerful CPU's you could buy. Plus the most power efficient before the Core Duo's.

Remember that X86-64 is an AMD design that Intel copied. Intel wanted to kill off X86 in favour of the newer Itanium chip.

AMD is the company that forced intel to stop selling CPU's based on clock speed and make more power efficient CPU's. If it wasn't for them we'd all be running power hungry P4's. If you remember correctly the P4 is the CPU that Apple made fun of for heat and also had a talk about at a WWDC because of it's long pipeline compared to the G4.

If we didn't have AMD we wouldn't all have excellent and powerful Core Duo laptops.

Remember your history before you blatantly insult an excellent company.
 
I know ;) we used to run AMD's in our main systems before we got our P4. Good chips, very cheap. Maybe it was the systems they were in but they didn't last that long. Still running an acquired P3 downstairs, our Thunderbird and Athlon chips died after 2-3 years. :eek:
Point is they're a cheap chip. Having them in a Mac would likely bring the cost down a bit, but you've just lost the efficiency of new Intels.
 
Much like inevitable successful game and movie sequels, so is this thread discussion.

It is ridiculous to argue about Nintendo’s sameyness on a thread about GTA 4! EVERY SINGLE GAME COMPANY would gladly make a sequel/franchise if they hit the jackpot.
 
this thread is NOT about pricing, but users continually feel the need to bring that into the picture

Again, the TOPIC is about the PROS/CONS of 360/PS3 for DEVELOPERS
THE CONSUMER PURCHASE PRICE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!
 
Price has nothing to do with a £430 being destroyed in the market by an 18 month old £270 and super weak £180 machine?
 
if you want to moan and groan about consumer prices.......by all means, go start a thread
(I don't want to hear it here)

If you want to talk about developer prices.....by all means, state them here.

Again, I think some of you are having trouble grasping the concept of this topic.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU THE CONSUMER AND THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR YOUR CONSOLE!

It why developers prefer developing for specific platforms.
 
ROFL :rolleyes:

Rockstar explains why the PS3 is better. I, and several others, post why it isn't better. I thought this had been established already... What about the SDF went offtopic? Or is it okay then?
 
Can you please post where you explained why other development companies think its worse.
Oh, and the comparison was between PS3/360.

More Ammo:

SteelMonkey's 2 Days to Vegas:
An in-house game engine was used and would feature global lighting and HDR lighting. They also included a "garbage generator" to simulate the clutter on the city streets. Talk about attention to detail. Loo comments on the Blu-Ray as a distribution media, "Blu-Ray solves a lot of our problems."

Jimmi, you posted your opinion as a consumer and offered no real reasons why that would be a rason a DEV company would think lesser of the PS3 dev platform.
 
Because it costs more. I'm sure Rockstar give a ****.
They do. A lot.

It costs more to develop games nowadays, so you have to make sure that you're getting your money's worth out at the end. Now, if the product that you're developing said game for costs too much, it's likely to have a lower market share, thus having less users, thus having less potential customers, and thus making less profit. It's why so many devs are jumping ship and going multiplatform
 
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