I had to call about 5 different reps and talked to 3 different reps in store and after them screwing around they told me that plan with no data. I am still confused though. Is rogers gonna make the phone not able to hook up to any WiFi like what I have at home?
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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada
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I had to call about 5 different reps and talked to 3 different reps in store and after them screwing around they told me that plan with no data. I am still confused though. Is rogers gonna make the phone not able to hook up to any WiFi like what I have at home?
mugtastic
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so $30 now gets you unlimited wap on normal phones and blackberries. and $30 soon will get unlimited browser based surfing in a couple months? is this price confirmed? if so rogers has to change before launch. if this is supposed and comes true rogers will be forced to offer it once those phones and plans launch.
if they think the heat is strong now, wait til others are walking around surfing for $30 unlimited and someone's paying twice that with an iphone and a data cap? that will not happen. roger's is greedy not stupid.
Yes it's true, so we will now find out how truly greedy Rogers is. As they have never given a reason to be given the benefit of the doubt, I expect them to think that because it's the iPhone and people want it, they won't have to match the telus/bell offers.
Why would they change? They never have in the past. Plus they are the only ones who can offer "the iPhone experience." Realistically, I don't see them budging unless sales are below expectations regardless of 10$ unlimited data on the instinct and 30$ unlimited on the HTC touch. It's sad really.
It wont happen Rogers is Not only greedy, but is the only GSM carrier in Canada to carry the iphone brand, they will and can do what they want.
I'm actully thinking of getting a blackberry with Telus or Bell now. Even though the iphone is the gadget to get these days, Ferrari's are cool too, just can't afford one.
I'm actully thinking of getting a blackberry with Telus or Bell now. Even though the iphone is the gadget to get these days, Ferrari's are cool too, just can't afford one.
aristotle
macrumors 68000
You must be fun at parties. Did it occur to you that some people might actually have a real job and want to buy an iPhone?
Do you derive pleasure from the suffering of others?
There are a million things I would like to say but I don't want to get banned myself but I do hope that you get a temp ban.
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I hope your boss at Telusasifwegivedamn or BellHell gives you a subscription to Jelly of the month club for your trouble.
Other than the part about part-time employees getting fired (which is really quite sad - I guess they can thank Rogers for that), I also applaud what Apple is doing (if they are in fact limiting supplies to Rogers). This way Rogers can sell fewer phones, get fewer subscribers, and make less money.
And just in case you wanted to know about me as well, I actually have a real job (which pays more than well enough to afford even the highest priced plan), and I actually want to buy an iPhone, but I will not go blindly buying one knowing the ridiculous prices that they want to charge.
aristotle
macrumors 68000
Are you speaking based on special knowledge? Are you an employee of Telus Mobility?
The reason why I ask is because your posting history on Macnn has mostly (95%) been in the Canadian iPhone threads and that majority of our posts have been poo pooing Rogers data plans and you seem to have mentioned Telus a lot. Also, your username looks a bit like Telus.
aristotle
macrumors 68000
1. Not everyone thinks the plans are ridiculous compared to existing plans from other providers for "real internet". Future announced plans in reaction to the iPhone do not count. They don't count because they are CDMA providers and no details about conditions or limitations have been detailed. I looked at the Telus site and I noticed that their "voice" portion cost "more" than what Rogers offers.
2. Some of us have been suffering under use of locked phones from Rogers (me), Bell and Telus where the provider removed certain features and replaced the music player with their branded version.
I don't give a rats ass if other people think that they will use more data when I wanted an iPhone because it is not crippled or tied into the carrier ringtone download service.
I really don't give a crap about the whiners on here because many of you are obviously not in the market for a smart phone or you never travel outside of North America so an iPod Touch and some craptastic phone from a CDMA provider is obviously a better choice for you.
But you see, I like to travel abroad and stay in 5 star hotels on my vacations so these plans a not a big deal for me to afford.
Maybe one of you whiners would like to buy this craptastic krzr crippled with the Rogers music player off me.
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I plan on buying the iPhone 16GB white and going for the 75 dollar plan since I think 750MB per month should be more than enough for me. I hope to be able to haggle with them to get the Call display thrown in for free.
Do you feel special?
I have lots of disposable income and can afford these plans any day. But that's not the point. The point is I'm not getting value for what I'm paying. Would you go into one of those 5-star hotels that cost twice as much but has twice the negative reviews as the 5-star hotel beside it? I wouldn't. If you would, well then...I have nothing else to say.
Maybe you should stop trumping people with your self-proclaimed wealth.
Doesn't sound right, but with Rogers, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a stunt like that.
The Rogers rep then told me that WiFi would be disabled for regular use unless it was an authorized Rogers hotspot. Is there any truth to this statement or is the rep as clueless as I am about the phone and what it can do.
FYI, I plan on turning off 3G and EDGE. Is that possible on the new phone in the settings?
Thanks for the help guys.[/QUOTE]
The Rogers rep then told me that WiFi would be disabled for regular use unless it was an authorized Rogers hotspot. Is there any truth to this statement or is the rep as clueless as I am about the phone and what it can do.
FYI, I plan on turning off 3G and EDGE. Is that possible on the new phone in the settings?
Thanks for the help guys.[/QUOTE]
Normally I wouldn't jump into a flame war but...
Actually it does count. That's the idea behind progression. If you accept the status quo then there will be no change in the cell phone industry.
So buy a 1G iPhone and run it on a voice plan - you have a full featured phone with none of the price gouging. Or do you really need visual voicemail?
I'm happy for you.
Do you really think lining up on launch day is going to give you bargaining power? Oh, and let us know about the overage costs. Oh, but wait, you'll be in a 3 year contract (which to remind you is 1 year longer than the rest of the world.
And I just realised this quote was not in relation to the people losing their job but in relation to you not getting a launch day phone.
Actually it does count. That's the idea behind progression. If you accept the status quo then there will be no change in the cell phone industry.
So buy a 1G iPhone and run it on a voice plan - you have a full featured phone with none of the price gouging. Or do you really need visual voicemail?
I'm happy for you.
Do you really think lining up on launch day is going to give you bargaining power? Oh, and let us know about the overage costs. Oh, but wait, you'll be in a 3 year contract (which to remind you is 1 year longer than the rest of the world.
And I just realised this quote was not in relation to the people losing their job but in relation to you not getting a launch day phone.
I think its fair to assume that the majority of people on here can afford any plan from Rogers, that being said the majority of people on here are smart and can smell a bogus deal when they see one.
For those of you that will be an early adopter of Rogers high gouging price plans I will laugh at you, when Rogers finally lower their prices down and charge you a $400 cancellation fee to sign up for the newer much lower price plan.
All they are doing right now is going after the early adopters its fast easy money.
Cheers
Gary
For those of you that will be an early adopter of Rogers high gouging price plans I will laugh at you, when Rogers finally lower their prices down and charge you a $400 cancellation fee to sign up for the newer much lower price plan.
All they are doing right now is going after the early adopters its fast easy money.
Cheers
Gary
It is not possible.
The only possible options are:
- Turn off 3G (to save power). This way, all data will be through EDGE.
- Turn on Airplane mode (3G, EDGE, and WiFi will be disabled - and also disable the phone portion)
Additional info: If you hack your iPhone, you can change the settings (eg. make the settings incorrect) of the data network so that you won't be able to send/receive any data.
No special knowledge, the date on that release says May 25, 2005.
I just don't believe that telus/bell would allow iphone users access to their hotspots for free. There is no incentive for them. On the Rogers site it specifically says access to Rogers/Fido hotspots, not just hotspots. Why would they differentiate if it was access to all of them?
As for Macnn, you have me confused with someone else as i have never posted there before.
My username is the title of a Radiohead song, nothing to do with Telus.
The reason I "poo poo" Rogers is because I'm so upset with their plans. I was a telus subscriber for 8 years and left them a year ago for Rogers in anticipation of the iPhone. A year later and I'm still waiting as the plans are so ridiculous.
I only mention Telus/Bell to give evidence that there is no justification for Rogers to not offer unlimited for $30 a month as both its competitors are able to. Rogers is just greedy.
If Rogers would change their base plan to unlimited, I would buy the phone on July 11 as I don't need that many minutes. I would just add the early evenings. I'm willing to pay $80 a month, but I want value for that money, which AT&T, Telus and Bell all can do, but Rogers can't.
Considering I pay Rogers $250 a month for combined cable/internet/wireless, I think I'm definitely not an employee of Telus.
The HTC Touch has had $7 UL data since November, they are just adding the Instinct to that plan and upping it to $10, it's the same plan they offer on their regular phones. Not wap but all data.
For all other smartphones both Bell and Telus have an UL data plan for $30 (as long as you have a $30 voice plan) Telus has had this for a few months and it's on there website. Bell offers it but doesn't advertise it, you have to ask.
Both Telus and Bell had these plans before Rogers introduced their $30 for 300Mb Blackberry plan or their iPhone plans. So yes it will happen it already is. Rogers has the good phones so people just accept it.
Not sure how it will work for the iPhone, but that's not how it works for regular voice plans. If you sign a 3 year contract for a $100 plan, you can at any time switch to a cheaper plan, without penalty. It's only if you want to keep your number that you have to pay the ECF.
Unless rogers changes for the iPhone, and they haven't mentioned either way what they will do, you should be able to sign up for the plans as is on july 11 and then change to a cheaper plan if Rogers gets there act together and improves the pricing. The problem with that plan is that you are being ripped off until Rogers does that. And with their reputation it remains very questionable when it will happen.
aristotle
macrumors 68000
I don't feel special. Do you?
There is nothing wrong with wanting a good deal but did you notice that the Canadian market is a lot smaller than the US and yet GSM providers have to cover about the same amount of area? When I looked at what the price of data plans where with Rogers before the iPhone plans were announced and compared them to what they are offering now I can see a huge difference. We basically have price parity with AT&T if not data limit parity now compared to what it was a year ago.
I never expected price parity given how small the market is here and the only problem I have with the plans are the weekday minutes, incoming calls and outgoing text. The data cap is not an issue for me given that I can access the hotspots around my city and where I travel on business and because I do not plan on watching streamed video often on 3G.
When I travel on the company, I try to remain frugal but when I travel for pleasure, I have decided that I will get the best accommodation and travel arrangement at the cheapest price possible. Ultimately, I have to balance what I can reasonably afford with quality. Going with a 5 star hotel in foreign locales is not matter of being snobby but based on experience with the star system in Europe and Mexico where a 3 star hotel or resort abroad is often below a 1 star hotel in North America.
I was accidentally was booked into a 3 star all inclusive resort in Cancun by my travel agent when I had paid for a 4-5 star all inclusive and guess what? During my one night stay in the wrong hotel, I had to use my hand to unclog the toliet after taking a dump (room was on the ground floor), there was no phone in the room and the phone booth by the road was broken and no air conditioning.
The same thing applies with phones. I started out on the Telus mobility network with a "brick" motorola flip phone which probably weighed the equivalent of five iPhones. I also tried out Fido before going with Rogers several years ago before Fido was bought out by Rogers.
I had a Nokia phone with WAP from Fido, Moto V60 from Rogers, a Samsung Slider phone and now Krzr from Rogers. All of those phones had WAP internet and only the Samsung did not have MP3 ringtones locked out by Rogers.
The iPhone is what I want and the plans are what I would consider reasonable with a few tweaks considering the size of the Canadian market.
But I have to reiterate that the "iPhone" is what I'm interested in because it is the first network locked phone that is not software or feature locked by the telcos.
aristotle
macrumors 68000
Regarding the hotspot site. We have a press release and it is from 2005 but there are no other press releases to the contrary or anything saying that smart phone users from Telus or Bell cannot use Rogers hotspots.
It seems to be quite clear that these hotspots were launched as an inter-carrier service for all carrier users.
Until we see something to the contrary either stating that Bell and Telus users have to pay extra on Rogers hotspots, I would believe that the unlimited service applies to all hotspots.
I don't expect Rogers will provide an unlimited plan but they may raise the caps a little and clarify whether the unlimited access applies to all hotspots. I'm hoping it does.
It seems to be quite clear that these hotspots were launched as an inter-carrier service for all carrier users.
Until we see something to the contrary either stating that Bell and Telus users have to pay extra on Rogers hotspots, I would believe that the unlimited service applies to all hotspots.
I don't expect Rogers will provide an unlimited plan but they may raise the caps a little and clarify whether the unlimited access applies to all hotspots. I'm hoping it does.
You seem to have to justify to others (or maybe just to convince yourself that you are no getting ripped off) as to why you will get the iphone on july 11.
The plans are not reasonable unless there are major tweaks to both the data and voice plans.
The price of the plan is reasonable for the canadian market, as I expected to pay around $80 for it. But I like many refuse to pay that much for an unreasonable plan minutes and data wise. I can afford the cost, but the cost should include value, which it presently does not.
I want to buy on July 11, but won't. Guess it's harder for me than it is for you to convince myself that I'm not getting ripped off
Why your statements don't make entire sense:
a) Years ago, mobile rates in Canada were very similar to the U.S. So what happened to that?
b) Rogers doesn't cover the entire country with their service (in this I mean ANY kind of mobile service). There are many places where Rogers doesn't have service. And if you compare only the 3G coverage of Rogers to AT&T, you can see that Rogers coverage is quite limited actually.
c) So why can Telus and Bell offer 30/month unlimited plans.
Lastly, I never expected getting the same amount of service as the US with the same prices. I expected the prices here to be quite a bit worse. For example, instead of 30/month for unlimited, we could have a 50/month unlimited plan...which would be almost double the price of AT&T. Instead, we get 50/month for 500mb. If you consider AT&T's "unlimited" to be 5gb (which is what the softcap is), then we are paying more than 15x the amount. Last time I checked on the coverage map, Rogers doesn't cover 15x (not even close) the area AT&T does.
No hacking necessary, if it is like the 2.5G iPhone.
On my iPhone, there is a Network Setting area, where you can turn off "Data Roaming". See
The image is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22471307@N00/2644482183/
No hacking necessary, if it is like the 2.5G iPhone.
On my iPhone, there is a Network Setting area, where you can turn off "Data Roaming". See. Additionally you can take away the user id and password from the EDGE area on my phone. I see no reason the 3G phone would be any different, other than by the inclusion of a 3G button, previously confirmed as it was part of a feature leak.
The image is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22471307@N00/2644482183/
I'm wrong then. I had thought the EDGE settings were only available on an unlocked iPhone. The "Data Roaming" means that data will be off when you are in a different country, but it will still be on when you are in your host country.