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Rosetta 2 Benchmarks Surface From Mac Mini With A12Z Chip

vyruzreaper said:
Important Q....

Does anyone think Apple will bring touch screen capabilities to their ARM macs?
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Yes.

A 'Surface' style product seems inevitable.

Big slide buttons on Big Sur. Finger spacing.

I wonder what could be in the offing?

Expect a 'Surface' style product as a new category to sit inbetween.

The iPad on its z stand is essentially that.

AS. Big Sur. The rumours of 'full fat' Mac Os running in iPhones and iPads in labs.

It's all the same thing. With different screen sizes.

Azrael.
 
dunno what to make of this....

I'm happy for these benchmarks on Apple silicon, but i'm disappointed as none of them are real, as they are done va Rosetta 2... not native.

Roseeta would also add caching ad performance ncreased to this as well, which would probably throw these figures ff.
 
Tech198 said:
dunno what to make of this....
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That an iPad running x86 code performs reasonably well.

Tech198 said:
I'm happy for these benchmarks on Apple silicon, but i'm disappointed as none of them are real, as they are done va Rosetta 2... not native.
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Look up any iPad Pro benchmarks, it’s the same chip.

Tech198 said:
Roseeta would also add caching ad performance ncreased to this as well, which would probably throw these figures ff.
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How do you mean it?
 
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That an iPad running x86 code performs reasonably well.



Look up any iPad Pro benchmarks, it’s the same chip.



How do you mean it?
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www.theverge.com

Rosetta 2 is Apple’s key to making the ARM transition less painful

Apple promises that old apps will run without any work from developers
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Unless i'm mistaken, they may of been only talking about performance improvements "from the original version of Rosetta" But it would be hard to accept that Rosetta 2 won't add some better performance since Apple is pushing so hard that Apple silicon is better than competitors.
 
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Dear Mr. Tim Cook I beg you on my knees to stop and stop the
transition to the ARM immediately PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Please leave
the Apple immediately !!!! I’am games developer for Mac OS and
Windows(BootCamp) and I need and a lot of developers need the Intel
processors on Professions Mac’s, because a lot of game engines and
professional software are compiled for Intel processors!!!!!! (Unreal
Engine 5(Intel-Mac OS X), DECIMA(Windows-BootCamp),
FrostByte(Windows-BootCamp), DUNA(Windows-BootCamp),
IDTech(Windows-BootCamp), Sony Vegas Pro(Windows-BootCamp),
Combustion(Windows-BootCamp), 3D StudioMax(Windows-BootCamp),
Houdini(Intel-Mac OS X) etc. Dear Tim Cook I beg in you on my knees i
beg in you please, please!!! Staying professionals Mac’s(Mac Pro,
iMacPro, MacBookPro) on only and only Intel processors!!! Because I
love testing playing the special AAA classes for Windows OS games, on
Intel-Based Mac Pro with BootCamp!!!!!!! Intel processors are the
God of processors for developers and for me!!!!!! Dear Mr. Tim
Cook. Death Stranding video game(BootCamp-Windows) looks amazing and
has an extreme performance on MacPro 7.1 with Intel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Intel processors are God of processors for the games developers and
me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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silvermacpro said:
Dear Mr. Tim Cook I beg you on my knees to stop and stop the
transition to the ARM immediately PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Please leave
the Apple immediately !!!! I’am games developer for Mac OS and
Windows(BootCamp) and I need and a lot of developers need the Intel
processors on Professions Mac’s, because a lot of game engines and
professional software are compiled for Intel processors!!!!!! (Unreal
Engine 5(Intel-Mac OS X), DECIMA(Windows-BootCamp),
FrostByte(Windows-BootCamp), DUNA(Windows-BootCamp),
IDTech(Windows-BootCamp), Sony Vegas Pro(Windows-BootCamp),
Combustion(Windows-BootCamp), 3D StudioMax(Windows-BootCamp),
Houdini(Intel-Mac OS X) etc. Dear Tim Cook I beg in you on my knees i
beg in you please, please!!! Staying professionals Mac’s(Mac Pro,
iMacPro, MacBookPro) on only and only Intel processors!!! Because I
love testing playing the special AAA classes for Windows OS games, on
Intel-Based Mac Pro with BootCamp!!!!!!! Intel processors are the
God of processors for developers and for me!!!!!! Dear Mr. Tim
Cook. Death Stranding video game(BootCamp-Windows) looks amazing and
has an extreme performance on MacPro with Intel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Intel processors are God of processors for the games developers and
me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tim says since you begged, he will bin off ARM. 👌🏻
 
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silvermacpro said:
Dear Mr. Tim Cook I beg you on my knees to stop and stop the
transition to the ARM immediately PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Please leave
the Apple immediately !!!! I’am games developer for Mac OS and
Windows(BootCamp) and I need and a lot of developers need the Intel
processors on Professions Mac’s, because a lot of game engines and
professional software are compiled for Intel processors!!!!!! (Unreal
Engine 5(Intel-Mac OS X), DECIMA(Windows-BootCamp),
FrostByte(Windows-BootCamp), DUNA(Windows-BootCamp),
IDTech(Windows-BootCamp), Sony Vegas Pro(Windows-BootCamp),
Combustion(Windows-BootCamp), 3D StudioMax(Windows-BootCamp),
Houdini(Intel-Mac OS X) etc. Dear Tim Cook I beg in you on my knees i
beg in you please, please!!! Staying professionals Mac’s(Mac Pro,
iMacPro, MacBookPro) on only and only Intel processors!!! Because I
love testing playing the special AAA classes for Windows OS games, on
Intel-Based Mac Pro with BootCamp!!!!!!! Intel processors are the
God of processors for developers and for me!!!!!! Dear Mr. Tim
Cook. Death Stranding video game(BootCamp-Windows) looks amazing and
has an extreme performance on MacPro 7.1 with Intel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Intel processors are God of processors for the games developers and
me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is absolute drivel.
 
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silvermacpro said:
Dear Mr. Tim Cook I beg you on my knees to stop and stop the
transition to the ARM immediately PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Please leave
the Apple immediately !!!! I’am games developer for Mac OS and
Windows(BootCamp) and I need and a lot of developers need the Intel
processors on Professions Mac’s, because a lot of game engines and
professional software are compiled for Intel processors!!!!!! (Unreal
Engine 5(Intel-Mac OS X), DECIMA(Windows-BootCamp),
FrostByte(Windows-BootCamp), DUNA(Windows-BootCamp),
IDTech(Windows-BootCamp), Sony Vegas Pro(Windows-BootCamp),
Combustion(Windows-BootCamp), 3D StudioMax(Windows-BootCamp),
Houdini(Intel-Mac OS X) etc. Dear Tim Cook I beg in you on my knees i
beg in you please, please!!! Staying professionals Mac’s(Mac Pro,
iMacPro, MacBookPro) on only and only Intel processors!!! Because I
love testing playing the special AAA classes for Windows OS games, on
Intel-Based Mac Pro with BootCamp!!!!!!! Intel processors are the
God of processors for developers and for me!!!!!! Dear Mr. Tim
Cook. Death Stranding video game(BootCamp-Windows) looks amazing and
has an extreme performance on MacPro 7.1 with Intel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Intel processors are God of processors for the games developers and
me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sir, this is a Wendy's.
 
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cmaier said:
This is absolute drivel.
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This is the internet. You were expecting very post to be reasonable and well thought out? Giggle. ROTFLOL

Ok seriously there will always be the developer who simply doesn't want to get out of their comfort zone and take the time to actual get their code up to the present day. We saw this back when Macs went 32-bit clean, we saw it with the change over to the intel chip, and we are seeing it again with ARM.

The thing developers don't realize is Microsoft has been trying to get Windows on ARM to actually be something developers work with for about two years. Apple going to ARM is likely the leg up the need so they can finally stop having to spaghetti code Windows so that they do not have to keep dealing with back compatibility to code written 8 freaking years ago and people wondering if their 16-bit applications from the Windows 3.1 era will run (23 year old software)...on an 2016 OS (Is Windows 10 Backwards Compatible With Your Existing Software?) Maybe as a hobby but still.

IMHO Microsoft is tired of supporting old Windows software til the time when room 7734 gets snow and Satan and his friends have a snowball fight.
 
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cmaier said:
What does this even mean?

i designed ultrasparc v. And it’s an open architecture, unlike x86.
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You're wrong Ultra SPARC and MIPS is closed and not open source architecture. That architectures are dificlty architecture for coding the a lot of developers! x86 the esy architecture for developing for a lot of developers! ARM is garbage CPU-architecture and have the worse perfomancein comparison with the x86 architecture!
 
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silvermacpro said:
You're wrong Ultra SPARC and MIPS is closed and not open source architecture. That architectures are dificlty architecture for coding the a lot of developers! x86 the esy architecture for developing for a lot of developers! ARM is garbage CPU-architecture and have the worse perfomancein comparison with the x86 architecture!
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No, you are wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSPARC

And Arm has much higher performance than x86.
 
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silvermacpro said:
This is'nt absolute drivel!!!!! This is a catastrophe!!! Closed architecture destroys Mac as SGI workstations and Sun Microsystems workstations !!!!!
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You can’t usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Every revolution in history has been that way.
 
silvermacpro said:
You're wrong Ultra SPARC and MIPS is closed and not open source architecture. That architectures are dificlty architecture for coding the a lot of developers! x86 the esy architecture for developing for a lot of developers! ARM is garbage CPU-architecture and have the worse perfomancein comparison with the x86 architecture!
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relak man from fella developer, maybe when apple last sell intel i only buy that. I don't trust arm platform yet.
 
cmaier said:
No, you are wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSPARC

And Arm has much higher performance than x86.
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Games developing AAA classes games on Windows, Xbox SeriesX and PS5 has always been and will be on x86 architecture !!!! ARM is garbage performance and close platform for games delovoping. And when I resting on my studio I am playing the game only on BootCamp on Mac Pro 7.1. Becouse on Mac Pro 7.1(BootCamp) games is performance are amazing, that first !!!!! And I am not have a lot of many buying the some garbage PC workstations for developing!!!
No performance of ARM processors can match the performance of Intel Xeon W processors!!!
 
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Games developing AAA classes games on Windows, Xbox SeriesX and PS5 has always been and will be on x86 architecture !!!! ARM is garbage performance and close platform for games delovoping. And when I resting on my studio I am playing the game only on BootCamp on Mac Pro 7.1. Becouse on Mac Pro 7.1(BootCamp) games is performance are amazing, that first !!!!! And I am not have a lot of many buying the some garbage PC workstations for developing!!!
No performance of ARM processors can match the performance of Intel Xeon W processors!!!
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even the idea that you think you can talk about performance of an architecture based only on prior examples that were not intended for the same use as x86 is nonsensical.

arm is higher performance that x86. Companies without their own risc silicon are going to go out of business.
 
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