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Macworld reports that based on their benchmarks, Apple's Rosetta PowerPC emulation technology for Intel Macs has seen up to 30% improvements in the latest version of Mac OS X (10.4.8). Rosetta is the technology that allows Intel Macs to run PowerPC applications (such as Photoshop and Microsoft Office) which have not yet been released as Universal Binaries.

Apple released the Mac OS X 10.4.8 update on September 29th, 2006 and incorporated a number of improvements.

Meanwhile, Apple is continuing work on Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) and provided developers with a new seed today (Build 9A303). This latest Leopard build provides ongoing performance improvements and bug fixes, but continues to have a long list of known issues.

While Leopard is officially expected to be released in Spring of 2007, there has been some questionable speculation that Apple may be targeting an earlier release. Apple's Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) release will certainly draw comparisons with Microsoft's upcoming Windows Vista release. According to the BBC, Vista will be available to retail customers on January 30th, 2007, while corporate customers will be able to get the newest version of Windows starting on November 30th, 2006.
 

xUKHCx

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good on Apple for improving the speed of Rosetta, but it would be so much easier is M$ made Office a UB...

i and being to use neooffice for quick viewing of files but when it comes to writing my own documents i do have to fire up the old excel and word. Which is still a pain even with 2gb of ram and a core 2 duo.
 

w_parietti22

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i and being to use neooffice for quick viewing of files but when it comes to writing my own documents i do have to fire up the old excel and word. Which is still a pain even with 2gb of ram and a core 2 duo.

Oh please. word opens in like less than a second and I only have a core duo and 1.5gbs of ram.
 

Chundles

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It's not just Rosetta. Office on my G4 opens in about half the time it used to on previous versions of 10.4

First open takes about 4 bounces to the Project Gallery, subsequent openings are maybe 2 bounces. Much quicker than before.
 

Chundles

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I would like to be able to put money on Leopard being released publicly before Vista.

I'm guessing Apple pushes to do just that.

Very much doubt it, we were seeing release candidate builds of 10.4 long before it came out. The supposed Gold Master build was out about a month before Tiger was released.

I don't think we'll see Leopard until early autumn, this summer's big OS release will be Vista - Leopard would get obliterated in press coverage by Vista if they released at the same time. Apple want as much press as possible for Leopard and they need as much time as they can to get it ready to the point where it's not going to get bad release coverage for bugs etc.

So:

Summer = Vista (followed 3 months later by SP1)
Early Autumn = Leopard (followed 3 weeks later by 10.5.1)
 

TheBobcat

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So:

Summer = Vista (followed 3 months later by SP1)
Early Autumn = Leopard (followed 3 weeks later by 10.5.1)

With Vista going to computer manufacturers now, I highly doubt that it will be pushed all the way into the summer. Although it is Microsoft, and this IS Vista, but I still don't think it would happen. MS would release it anyway and a crapload of updates following if necessary.

I think Leopard is farther away than many speculate. If Apple really wanted to release it right in January, you would think they would want a bigger hoopla to build the hype, which would have to happen almost immediately. Even then, you would think as neared completion we probably would have gotten a rumor or leak concerning the supposed top secret features by now. While I have nothing but gut feeling to go on, I think it'll be *really* previewed at MacWorld with a release, maybe March or April, possibly into May.

And that would make more sense. Let Vista's dust settle, let the bitching commence, maybe even a couple highly publicized virus or spyware incidents, then swoop in with Leopard, showing that even after MS had 5 years of development to rip off OSX, Apple is still ahead of them. That would give time for hype, and give Apple the press coverage. Not only is it likely, it makes sense.
 

jlcharles

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With Vista going to computer manufacturers now, I highly doubt that it will be pushed all the way into the summer. Although it is Microsoft, and this IS Vista, but I still don't think it would happen. MS would release it anyway and a crapload of updates following if necessary.

He's from australia. His seasons are opposite ours.
 

jlcharles

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good on Apple for improving the speed of Rosetta, but it would be so much easier is M$ made Office a UB...

I have no problem with Office on my imac. I can't figure out how people think it can run slow. It doesn't do anything processor intensive for 99% of people. Now, Photoshop on the other hand...
 

bommai

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With Vista going to computer manufacturers now, I highly doubt that it will be pushed all the way into the summer. Although it is Microsoft, and this IS Vista, but I still don't think it would happen. MS would release it anyway and a crapload of updates following if necessary.

Chundles lives in Australia (southern hemisphere). So their autumn is our spring and their summer is our winter. So, he is predicting Vista on January 30th like Microsoft's announcement. Leopard should be out by Spring time. Even if Apple hurries, I think it will be March by the time it is out.
 

relimw

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Let Vista's dust settle, let the bitching commence, maybe even a couple highly publicized virus or spyware incidents, then swoop in with Leopard, showing that even after MS had 5 years of development to rip off OSX, Apple is still ahead of them. That would give time for hype, and give Apple the press coverage. Not only is it likely, it makes sense.

It does make sense, and if I was Steve, that's what I'd do.
 

BillyShears

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Regardless of when Leopard's released, at least Steve can tell us about those "super secret" features he was on about. Right?


Right?
 

reckless_0001

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If any thing, Apple will probably completely unveil all of Leopard's features in January at Macworld. Right before consumers get their hands on Vista. Then, start taking pre-orders a week or two later, and shipping within a month. I feel safe saying that's a realistic prediction. :)
 

Chundles

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Hah! Whoops, sorry about that. Seasons and prices are two things I always quote relative to what applies to me. So summer = January, Autumn = March and Leopard will likely cost $199.

It's only when someone from the US asks "how much will Leopard cost" I'll answer in US$. But I make sure to write US$xxx.

But back to the topic at hand, I really don't see this early release some people are craving happening for Leopard.

Apple got stung a bit in the media on the release of 10.4 due to a number of bugs present for power users and computer-savvy people ie. the people most likely to voice their opinions on forums and chat sites - in the initial 10.4.0 release.

I never had anything I could class as a bug, a few annoyances re: somewhat slower, joining wireless networks after waking from sleep etc. but nothing that was going to hamper my use. The power users found some serious bugs and voiced their concerns all over the net, concerns the media picked up on and ran some fairly sensationalist headlines about.

I would assume Apple will want to reduce those stories with the release of Leopard and I for one would much rather see a really stable, fast and confidence-boosting 10.5.0 in March than a somewhat buggy release in January that takes till March to reach a feeling of maturity with the release of 10.5.1 and 10.5.2 in the interim.
 

Peace

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I have this gut feeling Apple is holding back on features not implemented yet on purpose.Just like they held back on OS X running on Intel.

If Apple were to release some of those "secret" features to developers now Microsoft would have it too and possibly add similar features at the last minute.
I also believe Apple and Microsoft are working together on some stuff.

Vista Jan 30th
Leopard shown at MWSF and released in March.

Rosetta won't be visible on Intel machines in March.
 

aswitcher

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If Leopard is ready then we should know before Christmas because not a lot of work will take place on it after then before MacWorld.
 

Multimedia

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Great News All Around. Makes the New Core 2 Macs All The More Attractive

Makes the New Core 2 Macs All The More Attractive. Closer Rosetta brings PPC apps to par with UB apps, the easier this transition will be for everyone to make sooner than later. :)
 
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