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Rosetta Improvements in 10.4.8, Leopard Build 9A303, Vista Release?
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The more I hear about Leopard (or even DON'T hear), the more excited I get to watch every last little bit of Vistas thunder stolen by it. You absolutely know Mr. Jobs is keenly aware of the opportunity to make M$ look like a bunch of schmucks here.
It's like that 4-foot-tall bully kid in 8th grade who winds up getting the tar beat out of him as soon as he hits High School.
The more I hear about Leopard (or even DON'T hear), the more excited I get to watch every last little bit of Vistas thunder stolen by it. You absolutely know Mr. Jobs is keenly aware of the opportunity to make M$ look like a bunch of schmucks here.
It's like that 4-foot-tall bully kid in 8th grade who winds up getting the tar beat out of him as soon as he hits High School.
10.4.8 issues?
Has anyone experienced frequent Indesign CS2 crashes since updating to 10.4.8 on an Intel Mac? I have a brand new Mac Pro (with 4gb of Ram) here at work and I would say that all the Adobe apps work about as fast as they did on the dual 2ghz G5 Powermac that I had before I got this Mac Pro but now after about 2 months of usage my indesign crashes on me several times a day. I'm just curious if 10.4.8 introduced some kind of compatibility issue with indesign because it didn't crash on me in 10.4.7 (though it is noticeably faster now in 10.4.8 when its not too busy crashing).
Has anyone experienced frequent Indesign CS2 crashes since updating to 10.4.8 on an Intel Mac? I have a brand new Mac Pro (with 4gb of Ram) here at work and I would say that all the Adobe apps work about as fast as they did on the dual 2ghz G5 Powermac that I had before I got this Mac Pro but now after about 2 months of usage my indesign crashes on me several times a day. I'm just curious if 10.4.8 introduced some kind of compatibility issue with indesign because it didn't crash on me in 10.4.7 (though it is noticeably faster now in 10.4.8 when its not too busy crashing).
The more I hear about Leopard (or even DON'T hear), the more excited I get to watch every last little bit of Vistas thunder stolen by it. You absolutely know Mr. Jobs is keenly aware of the opportunity to make M$ look like a bunch of schmucks here.
It's like that 4-foot-tall bully kid in 8th grade who winds up getting the tar beat out of him as soon as he hits High School.
You do realise that Vista's thunder is only being stolen amongst the Mac users. Don't kid yourself, the release of Vista is going to be the biggest thing in software releases in the world's media this year. Leopard is small change compared to the massive amounts of press that MS are going to drum up for Vista.
My list of releases in terms of press coverage:
1. Vista
2. Office 2007
3. Adobe Creative Suite 3
4. Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard
Don't get me wrong, I'm a great Mac fan but you just can't seriously think that the next release of OSX is going to steal any press thunder from the long-awaited new version of Windows. The press will eat up anything MS feeds it, they'll hail all the features we've had for years that have finally made it into Vista as the most innovative and fresh ideas and this is why Apple won't be releasing until at least March.
Come March, any press stories about Vista troubles will be at their peak after new adopters have had it on their systems for a month and any bugs will be showing themselves. It's then that Apple need to get OSX into the mind of the public.
You are 100% correct. We will be bombarded by the MS media blitz. MS has always been a better marketing company than a tech company. Nearly every app that MS has was bought, borrowed, or stolen from somebody else. They are successful due to much better marketing of their product.
Just my thoughts on the matter.....
First of all,
-This is good news for Rosetta. I don't need it yet, running G5 iMac 2.0 and G4 Quicksilver.
-Leopard is on it's way, spring of 2007, not that far off really.
MY PROBLEM IS THIS (yes all caps)
"Apple's Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) release will certainly draw comparisons with Microsoft's upcoming
Windows Vista release"
It should read Windows Vista will draw comparisons with Apple OSX released in 2001.
First of all,
-This is good news for Rosetta. I don't need it yet, running G5 iMac 2.0 and G4 Quicksilver.
-Leopard is on it's way, spring of 2007, not that far off really.
MY PROBLEM IS THIS (yes all caps)
"Apple's Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) release will certainly draw comparisons with Microsoft's upcoming
Windows Vista release"
It should read Windows Vista will draw comparisons with Apple OSX released in 2001.
Has anyone installed a Copy of Leopard on there Computer and how do you like it so far also how stable is it
Where computer?
The only copies of Leopard available are Developer Preview (pre-Beta). They are available only to the top two levels of the Apple Developer Connection and are covered by very strict Non-Disclosure Agreements.
As a preview release I would imagine Leopard to be currently very unstable.
Not in light of the fact the G5 is only one core while the iMacIntel has two.
Photoshop CS2 Suite:
Power Mac G5 Quad 2.5 ghz: 0:46 s
Mac Pro Quad Xeon 2.66 ghz: 0:54 s
Same number of cores and similar clock: the Mac Pro more than holds its own. Pretty darn impressive, actually, if you ask me. At those levels, I don't see why you'd hold off getting a Mac Pro (if Photoshop is what pays the bills for you).
Speaking from previous betas of 10.1, 10.2, and 10.3, I can tell you that it's not fun to run a beta of Mac OS X. Sometimes, it's lucky when most things work. With 10.2, I had terrible times keeping Finder going.
Besides, when you're developing a product to make sure it's compliant with a new operating system release, who has time to have fun? (Thankfully, Apple doesn't change major things as much these days.)
We're Waiting For The 8-Core Mac Pros To Start Shipping Next Week
'Cause it's 4 cores short of a full deck. That's why we're waiting to start buying Mac Pros until next week when Apple starts taking orders for Dual Clovertown 8-core Mac Pros on Tuesday November 14.
If Leopard is released before Vist I won;\'t go near it with a 20 meter cattle prod and even if they gave it away for free. Leopard released that soon would scream revenge of the Tiger launch. Honestly a january lauch of eather Vista or Leopard doesn't serve anyone. For windows they missed the lucrative holiday sales rush and only the after x-mas bargan shoppers are looking to buy in ist quarter. For Apple school sales won't begin for months.
All that a January Leopard launch would prove would be the immaturity of the people running Apple. e.g. Its better to ship an OS that probably has a ton of bugs in it to be able to thumb our collective noses at MS then ship a solid product. IMHO I'm REALLY hoping for a WWDC launch of Leopard.
All that a January Leopard launch would prove would be the immaturity of the people running Apple. e.g. Its better to ship an OS that probably has a ton of bugs in it to be able to thumb our collective noses at MS then ship a solid product. IMHO I'm REALLY hoping for a WWDC launch of Leopard.
If Apple releases Leopard before March, it will likely be a mistake. How about version 10.5.-3?
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There are already systems being sold with Vista upgrade included:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&oc=MLB1719&s=biz
And, of course, there's lots of advice on how to configure the system for the best Vista experience.
(Note that a quad-core option is available for this system already...)
http://www.dellvistaupgrade.com/ says that the upgrade will be available Nov 28...
Although full availability will be after the holidays, people who buy systems before then will be hit with Vista buzz.
There are already systems being sold with Vista upgrade included:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&oc=MLB1719&s=biz
Express Upgrade to Windows Vista
Upon receipt of PC, go to www.dellvistaupgrade.com http://www.dellvistaupgrade.com to redeem upgrade by March 31, 2007. Upgrade Kit will not be shipped without completed redemption. Limited time offer. See discount details. Estimated upgrade kit availability, February 2007.
[ ] No Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Selected [Included in Price]
[ ] Upgrade to Windows Vista Business64 from XPPro64, $10 payable at redemption add $0
Upon receipt of PC, go to www.dellvistaupgrade.com http://www.dellvistaupgrade.com to redeem upgrade by March 31, 2007. Upgrade Kit will not be shipped without completed redemption. Limited time offer. See discount details. Estimated upgrade kit availability, February 2007.
[ ] No Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Selected [Included in Price]
[ ] Upgrade to Windows Vista Business64 from XPPro64, $10 payable at redemption add $0
And, of course, there's lots of advice on how to configure the system for the best Vista experience.
(Note that a quad-core option is available for this system already...)
http://www.dellvistaupgrade.com/ says that the upgrade will be available Nov 28...
leopard in the spring / spring the leopard
I think Leopard is farther away than many speculate. If Apple really wanted to release it right in January, you would think they would want a bigger hoopla to build the hype, which would have to happen almost immediately. Even then, you would think as neared completion we probably would have gotten a rumor or leak concerning the supposed top secret features by now. While I have nothing but gut feeling to go on, I think it'll be *really* previewed at MacWorld with a release, maybe March or April, possibly into May.
And that would make more sense. Let Vista's dust settle, let the bitching commence, maybe even a couple highly publicized virus or spyware incidents, then swoop in with Leopard, showing that even after MS had 5 years of development to rip off OSX, Apple is still ahead of them. That would give time for hype, and give Apple the press coverage. Not only is it likely, it makes sense.[/QUOTE]
i cannot agree with you more.
plus, apple will benefit from all the 'new os' money that ms will surely pour into its launch and also gain:
-knowledge from which vista features are selling most.
-get all existing mac users even more antsy for a new os.
-let the dust settle / not get lost in the hype around vista.
-vista will seem older and leopard newer, when leopard launches later.
-many of vista's features will be shown to already exist in current osX.
its also interesting that the spring is traditionally a quieter sales period for electronics. by launching leopard in the spring, they can continue to do what apple is so good at doing... choreographing launches spread out around the year. thus keeping up the brand hype and strong sales year-round.
so look to macworld for other great news...
and as for leopard...
my money is on leopard launching not LESS than 2 months after vista.
I think Leopard is farther away than many speculate. If Apple really wanted to release it right in January, you would think they would want a bigger hoopla to build the hype, which would have to happen almost immediately. Even then, you would think as neared completion we probably would have gotten a rumor or leak concerning the supposed top secret features by now. While I have nothing but gut feeling to go on, I think it'll be *really* previewed at MacWorld with a release, maybe March or April, possibly into May.
And that would make more sense. Let Vista's dust settle, let the bitching commence, maybe even a couple highly publicized virus or spyware incidents, then swoop in with Leopard, showing that even after MS had 5 years of development to rip off OSX, Apple is still ahead of them. That would give time for hype, and give Apple the press coverage. Not only is it likely, it makes sense.[/QUOTE]
i cannot agree with you more.
plus, apple will benefit from all the 'new os' money that ms will surely pour into its launch and also gain:
-knowledge from which vista features are selling most.
-get all existing mac users even more antsy for a new os.
-let the dust settle / not get lost in the hype around vista.
-vista will seem older and leopard newer, when leopard launches later.
-many of vista's features will be shown to already exist in current osX.
its also interesting that the spring is traditionally a quieter sales period for electronics. by launching leopard in the spring, they can continue to do what apple is so good at doing... choreographing launches spread out around the year. thus keeping up the brand hype and strong sales year-round.
so look to macworld for other great news...
and as for leopard...
my money is on leopard launching not LESS than 2 months after vista.
I recently ran this test:
http://www.retouchartists.com/pages/speedtest.html
I set my prefs according to the read me file. My old Powerbook G4 got 8 minutes. My wife's iMac G5 1.8 got 4 min. My MacPro (with 6GB of RAM) got 1:02. Office apps launch very quickly too.
When I first got this new Mac, it came with 1GB of RAM and I'd see the beach ball all the time. Then I upgraded to 2GB and there was a HUGE difference. The whole machine, even UB apps ran much more smoothly. But, I could only open so many before things would start to slow down. Now, with 6GB, I can open almost ever app and not see that damn beach ball.
I guess my point is, no matter what your processor, if you're using an intel machine and have to rely on Rosetta, get more RAM. Sure, this MacPro has Quad Xeon, blah, blah, blah. But with just 1GB of RAM, Rosetta brought it to its knees.
http://www.retouchartists.com/pages/speedtest.html
I set my prefs according to the read me file. My old Powerbook G4 got 8 minutes. My wife's iMac G5 1.8 got 4 min. My MacPro (with 6GB of RAM) got 1:02. Office apps launch very quickly too.
When I first got this new Mac, it came with 1GB of RAM and I'd see the beach ball all the time. Then I upgraded to 2GB and there was a HUGE difference. The whole machine, even UB apps ran much more smoothly. But, I could only open so many before things would start to slow down. Now, with 6GB, I can open almost ever app and not see that damn beach ball.
I guess my point is, no matter what your processor, if you're using an intel machine and have to rely on Rosetta, get more RAM. Sure, this MacPro has Quad Xeon, blah, blah, blah. But with just 1GB of RAM, Rosetta brought it to its knees.
I found some more leoaprd (9a303) info on aeroxp
http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.php?showtopic=6763&hl=
http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.php?showtopic=6763&hl=
give credit where credit is due...
"Rosetta" is Apple's cute marketing name for their rebranding of Transitive's "QuickTransit" technology".
http://www.transitive.com/
So, of course, Apple and Transitive engineers have been working together to improve the performance.
But, please, don't call it "Apple's technology" unless you say "technology that Apple is licensing". Lots of interesting stuff comes from outside 10700 N. De Anza Blvd, Cupertino, CA (the real address for 1 Infinite Drive). Which, btw, I've only driven by 3 times this week...
Please...
"Rosetta" is Apple's cute marketing name for their rebranding of Transitive's "QuickTransit" technology".
http://www.transitive.com/
So, of course, Apple and Transitive engineers have been working together to improve the performance.
But, please, don't call it "Apple's technology" unless you say "technology that Apple is licensing". Lots of interesting stuff comes from outside 10700 N. De Anza Blvd, Cupertino, CA (the real address for 1 Infinite Drive). Which, btw, I've only driven by 3 times this week...
Yes, if you can, I would wait. By March or the June timeframe there maybe further changes in the hardware. I expect/pray for better graphics, memory management by summer (SantaRosa), 802.11N and Flash on the motherboard or hard drives to speed up disk operations and lower battery use resulting is much faster operations in a large number of the cases. However this may have a small price differential ($50 to $100 more).
IMHO Leopard will wake up the beast inside those core 2 duo machines. But it maybe another year or two before the real muscle flexing (full 64 bit applications) comes about. Then you will see the real power of these chips and the cleverness of Apple. Be ready for full 64 bit operations like memory moves, compares, etc, not just the ability to address memory in a 64 bit space.
2007 is very exciting and 2008 even more.
You missed the humor.
He was just pointing out how wrong it sounded. He was not saying it was actually racist. You seem overly emotive in your response to an amusing observation.
He was just pointing out how wrong it sounded. He was not saying it was actually racist. You seem overly emotive in your response to an amusing observation.