Your quote is hilarious, but not in the way that you intended. Games are a huge industry and even "serious" business people have to acknowledge this fact.
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Roundup: First-Look Impressions of the New Mac Pro
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Well, you never know, I am betting that Apple and Nvidia have been working behind the curtain to make sure that current and future single PCI compatible PCIE version 3 cards will work on the new system. AMD had the advantage for 3 years working with Apple to get Radeon cards working in the new Mac Pro. Thinking at Apple wants to make sure third party cards can work without web drivers/other hacks and would use Metal to the max. It does not hurt Apple at all to let as many third party vendors that follows apple hardware interface standards. Like the original Apple II system that would expand, it has to work and not crash Unix with security hardware standards.
You clearly haven’t seen the new AMD EPYC ROME chips with their 64c/128 that were displayed recently running rings around the Xeons, plus using half the power on their new 7nm build, and this is just the start! Intel is in serious trouble
I'm of the opinion that people just like bashing Apple. The new design looks pretty well thought out. So too was the old G5/intel tower.
Airflow (quiet), lots of space, and clean internals. PLENTY of power (1.4Kw), and lots of upgrade options out the gate. Meant to be able to run at full tilt without fail or noise. Call it a cheese grater if you want, but it's meant to work, HARD.
There aren't many different ways to make a case that doesn't look exactly like EVERYONE elses. Apple took this long because of that, and they wanted to ensure they don't back themselves back into a thermal corner again. I think people seem to forget that they literally created a new interface to deliver up to 1000 WATTS of power to 2 Dual video cards, Cable-LESS. Insane.
I liked the old tower design but hated the handles. Everything was very sharp on the corners. This solves that beautifully. With optional wheels, as 40LBS is fairly heavy to have to pickup and move around if need be. To me, it looks awesome, and makes sense for the reasons I stated above.
Spec wise, this thing holds up to 4TB of NVMe. At up to 3GB read/write (practically). A 3rd Party Vendor will create ample internal storage options. Remember 4 Doublewide PCI-e slots with a CRAZY amount of power to supply it CORDLESS. So, if 4TB isn't enough for you, and you don't like external drives. Buy an MPX module that has a RAID array https://www.promise.com/us
I'm sure other options will be things like 14 M.2 slots on a double wide MPX, and you can have 28TB of storage in flash. Or double that for 56TB internal.
Up to 1.5TB of RAM. I run VMware ESXi hosts (10 in total), each with 384GB, so ruffly 3.86TB of ram. This one box holds almost half that. I double many will need that much ram for a workstation. But, for server use.... This thing covers both bases. Render farm, or server cluster, or workstation.
I too wish they spec'd it out with a 6 Core Xeon, and a Vega 56, 32GB Ram and 512GB HD standard for say 3999.99 That would have sold it out at the low end. For those that need the extra proc, video, storage, and ram. You can go up to the sky. They still have time to make such a setup, and I hope they do. The $5999 is high for an entry level. We all wish they would make a Mac (non mini and non Pro). To put the entry price down to say $1999. Say and i7 and i9 and 8-16GB Ram, 256GB drive, etc.
Lastly, I HOPE Nvidia creates something for this too. Now is the time to do something special and compete with AMD on this front.
Airflow (quiet), lots of space, and clean internals. PLENTY of power (1.4Kw), and lots of upgrade options out the gate. Meant to be able to run at full tilt without fail or noise. Call it a cheese grater if you want, but it's meant to work, HARD.
There aren't many different ways to make a case that doesn't look exactly like EVERYONE elses. Apple took this long because of that, and they wanted to ensure they don't back themselves back into a thermal corner again. I think people seem to forget that they literally created a new interface to deliver up to 1000 WATTS of power to 2 Dual video cards, Cable-LESS. Insane.
I liked the old tower design but hated the handles. Everything was very sharp on the corners. This solves that beautifully. With optional wheels, as 40LBS is fairly heavy to have to pickup and move around if need be. To me, it looks awesome, and makes sense for the reasons I stated above.
Spec wise, this thing holds up to 4TB of NVMe. At up to 3GB read/write (practically). A 3rd Party Vendor will create ample internal storage options. Remember 4 Doublewide PCI-e slots with a CRAZY amount of power to supply it CORDLESS. So, if 4TB isn't enough for you, and you don't like external drives. Buy an MPX module that has a RAID array https://www.promise.com/us
I'm sure other options will be things like 14 M.2 slots on a double wide MPX, and you can have 28TB of storage in flash. Or double that for 56TB internal.
Up to 1.5TB of RAM. I run VMware ESXi hosts (10 in total), each with 384GB, so ruffly 3.86TB of ram. This one box holds almost half that. I double many will need that much ram for a workstation. But, for server use.... This thing covers both bases. Render farm, or server cluster, or workstation.
I too wish they spec'd it out with a 6 Core Xeon, and a Vega 56, 32GB Ram and 512GB HD standard for say 3999.99 That would have sold it out at the low end. For those that need the extra proc, video, storage, and ram. You can go up to the sky. They still have time to make such a setup, and I hope they do. The $5999 is high for an entry level. We all wish they would make a Mac (non mini and non Pro). To put the entry price down to say $1999. Say and i7 and i9 and 8-16GB Ram, 256GB drive, etc.
Lastly, I HOPE Nvidia creates something for this too. Now is the time to do something special and compete with AMD on this front.
No, i just think that apple is leaving out a very influential part of enthusiasts, prosumers and pros.
I am also using a MacBook pro 2011 15" beside a MBP2016 15".
See, with our 2010 and 2011 Macs, RAM and HDs were not soldered onto the mainboard - this is one example where planned obsolescence is coming from besides lots of other issues like failing keyboards, everything glued together.
The wheels are a useful touch as the Mac Pro weighs 18 kg, about 40 lbs.
Overall I love the industrial design. That it looks like a little like a cheese grater is a whimsical and endearing nod to the past, recognizing what Mac Pros of old are affectionally called by their owners. Very playful, and it makes me smile still owning two cheese grater MacPros.
Excellent design, and art, inspire controversy. Kudos to Apple for going forward with the design. No doubt some tried to squash it.
This is one of best pro video rendering stations out there. And it costs as much. It is simply not for 99.99% of Macrumors readers.
It is not for gaming or web browsing.
For that you can have or not have iMac, etc. Or iPad for that matter.
It is not for gaming or web browsing.
For that you can have or not have iMac, etc. Or iPad for that matter.
1. iMac (pro). If I work a whole day on a machine and I have two monitors connected, they need to be identical for ergonomical reasons. CPU has not enough power (nopro) or machine is overpriced (pro). Need of a lot of fast internal HD space (impossible), loud under load, etc... pp...
2. Mac mini, see iMac, except for the monitor part. CPU performance too low. Biggest CPU version is way overpriced anyway.
3. MacBook Pro, see iMac. I know you can connect two monitors while the lid is closed, but the thing gets hot then and is still loud under CPU load (fans). I have to work in a studio environment and this is a no go. CPU performance too low anyway..
So there we go... zero.
Mac Pro 2019 is a potentially super-workstation at a stellar final price. Start price at not a modest 6,000 $ for a modest configuration: intel Xeon 8-cores processor, a modest AMD graphic card, only 32GB of RAM and a misery 256GB SSD, the same as MacBook 12 (total expansion only 2 SSDs!). And a stellar 32” display at 4,999 start price but the final price rises to about 7,000 $ (inclunding Pro Stand and anti-glare matte glass option). In other words, at minimal Pro configuration (Xeon 16-cores, AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Dual, 256GB of RAM and 2 4TB SSDs), the price rises at 25,000$ level. And last but not least, PCIe 3.0, USB 3.1 and DDR4 are all near EOL technologies.
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I haven't read ALL 400 posts here, but I don't see much love for the "trashcan" Mac Pro. Am I the only one that liked it? It took getting used to and is now quite outdated, but I'll probably keep upgrading mine and keep it for several more years. The iMac Pro is tempting, but I use professional calibrated displays for my photo, video, and film work, so I don't want to move to an all-in-one. After years with towers (G3, G4, G5, Intel, etc) I missed just jamming cards and hard drives in at first, but I learned to work with the trashcan and it has fit my needs for a while. Plus the prices on all those afore-mentioned computers were much easier for my budget to handle. The size and weight of the trashcan also allowed it to be moved around quickly and easily on film sets (and it's kinda pretty). I'm not complaining about the new Mac Pro- it should fill a niche for a lot of people, and I'm sure it's worth the money for them, but I do wish there was a slightly lower price for entry. Maybe there will be by the time I need to trade in the sexy little trashcan.
A Bugatti you buy when you have too much money just for fun. A Mac is supposed to be a working tool. This analogy doesn't compute.
The great thing is Apple works with AMD so if they wanted to use this chip in future Mac's if they wanted. Also we do not know that final shipping spec's for the Xeon, my guess that Apple and Intel are going to give a little surprise in the Fall.
Also with this bus design if they wanted to put a Processor chip on the super wide Apple PCI slot it would give the Mac a boost in CPU if needed.
Yep. As I said elsewhere, my pure Apple shop just bought Threadripper workstations yesterday. For our workloads (scientific computing) it’s going to blow away these Mac Pros.
It’s an absolute bummer that Apple has stuck with Intel. They went and designed those cool new GPU modules with AMD and used the “infinity fabric” to do it... but they forgot the part where you can also hook AMDs processors into the same fabric and gain some awesome features (like shared memory across cpu/gpu).
Intel is currently getting hammered in the many core space... and it’s only going to get worse with EPYC this fall and Threadripper 3 next year (which, BTW, will be socket compatible with TR2 that you can buy now so upgrading will be simple).
I said it before in this thread: but if Apple doesn’t/can’t (because of contracts) use AMD: they need to use ARM. I suspect that their new “accelerator” is exactly that: dipping their toes into using ARM for compute purposes in the workstation...
Right. People who don't understand what "professional" color matching needs are, especially as related to color plate printing and movie editing. Kudos to Apple to actually putting out a product specifically for the non-consumer market.
A certain number of consumers are mad because they want a box that is the equivalent of a Dell Optiplex with an Apple logo. Apple's intent to be "different" is that they specifically do not want to compete with similar products. I am very reluctant to give up the workstation paradigm for my own work, but the changes to the iPad shows that they are serious about making it as useful a work device as possible, and doing their bit to change the paradigm of what a work computer is for most people.
People who want MacMinis actually have a better gripe right now. That box is a consumer level product which gives out just skosh too little for too much to keep the user unsatisfied.
This is a machine tuned to behave like a customized machine for custom purposes. If people had any idea how much customized high-end computers cost in places where they exist, they would understand this better and why it's right in line with its industry.
Do the same people watch the new product lines from Navistar, International Harvester, and Caterpillar, and complain that they're not useful for commuter vehicles?
I loved it when it came out. Still a beautiful design. But Apple worked themselves into a corner where they didn't seem to have a roadmap to continue supporting its quirky build.
Fully agreed, heavy heart and all.
Before buying the iMac Pro, I'm inclined to sit it out for 12-18 months with my '14 iMac 5K.
There is a reasonable chance that the display drops significantly in price in the next 24 months, a bit like the original ACD. Less sure about the MacPro though. This could bring it back into an affordable range.
Where did i misquote, i copy pasted a sentence. The sentence only makes sense in context of original post so there is no harm in taking it as an excerpt and it being misunderstood.
I think it takes guts to ship AC Wi-Fi, pcie 3, and a 60 Hz display at this price point.
And people like you don't seem to understand, that there is a pro market beside all this shiny video and photo editing you are talking about. That has nothing to do with prosumers. There are people who need a tower design for customising and expandability reasons, but don't need a Color-proofed high-end monitor for editing photos or videos. There are people who need a lot of CPU power, but ECC memory and XEON processors are not necessary (and too expensive). And exactly for those people (who are many more than the few hyper pros doing 8k video editing in real time) there is nothing in the Apple line-up since years. The old MacPro until 2013 (cheese crater) was all that. It had a moderate entry level price and could be tailored with standard parts to the business needs by the owner himself. Now I get a "pretty" enclosure and a Xeon 8-core CPU for 6k (256GB HD and 32GB RAM don't count, peanuts). And no, a Mac mini or an iMac are no options. I find this attitude extremely arrogant, to be honest.
Really?
$5k base MP
Probably $1k to get at least 64GB RAM and 1TB storage. It's a pro machine, after all.
$6k display that does need a stand.
Add $ales tax for most states and voila!
So the G5 for 1800$ in 2003 wich would be roughly 2500$ inflation adjusted was not a pro workstation?
Look people are rightfully disappointed they hoped for a pickup truck and they get a Caterpillar D7.