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lol @ the typical replies here.

Apple delivered an extreme, high-end pro machine.
It costs $$.

For professional companies who rely on the fastest tech to get the job done the new Mac Pro will be a beast.
If you have any idea what these companies spend on hardware and operators then these new machines are hardly 'expensive'.

Likewise with the monitor - for the target users its a dream and would fit into HW budgets.

If you don't need that power (and let's face it, average users don't) an iMac Pro or even the 2019 5K iMac is a a beast for most work.

Just for the record, the price of the new base model Mac Pro is comparable with other Macs of the past.
Here's a few examples:
Mac Pro "Twelve Core" 3.06 (2012/Westmere) US$6199
• Macintosh SE/30 (1989) US$4,369 (equivalent to $8,831 in 2018)
Macintosh IIfx (1990) US$8,969 (equivalent to $17,200 in 2018)
• Macintosh Quadra 950 (1992) US$7,200 (equivalent to $12,855 in 2018)
• Power Macintosh 8100 US$4,200 (equivalent to $7,100 in 2018)
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oh - only film/TV production companies, design firms, special effects companies, recording studios - you know those people...
I don’t disagreed with your point.
I just think Apple should have a cheaper entry level point for a MP/display combo at lower specs. Totaling around $6/7k instead of $12/13k. That would attract a huge audience of Pro’s.
 
Once again, an outrageous price for a “premium” product. Not sure why the frickin’ display needs to be so damn expensive. I’m sure it’ll be nice to look at in the apple store.

The specs are insane though. It’s worth every penny. It’s literally for pro use only. It either competes with or bests $40k displays.
 
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I don't know enough about that industry, but I'm just guessing that might change after this. This computer is in it for the long haul.

Unfortunately this will not change a thing related to production with 3d and VFX. These specs are already outdated for a base config for most of our work. Cost is also a huge factor in studios where margins are small to start with. The lack of Nvidia support means this is a no go. We rely on open gl and open cl for many current application and tools and Apple has now made them deprecated in osx. No amount of overpriced hardware will change anything related to that. And to be fair I don't think Apple cares to cater to this market nor needs to. We are a small niche market of creatives and already have well established pipelines without their hardware. I can see others who really love Apple going nuts over this. But this changes nothing when it comes to high end 3d.
 
If you told me a Bugatti cost $2 million I wouldn't be surprised.

If you told me the passenger seat of the Bugatti cost another $50,000.00 I would not bat an eyelash at the price.

I'd be wondering why you're charging me for a passenger seat.

I'm not that concerned about the cost of the stand; I just find it odd they charge for a stand in the first place.

Well there's Porsche....they charge extra to leave out the back seat/passenger seat.
 
Well, my 2018 MBP doesn't actually struggle for under most conditions with my LG 5K. It's fine for most daily tasks, but there are moments when I'm culling a few hundred photos in Capture One Pro in full screen mode and flipping through RAW files one after another to figure out which one I like the best. That's when I hear the fans kick on and the browsing will eventually slow down and I suddenly realize, "damn, that's a lot of pixels in front of me."

It's partially because of my MBP having difficulty sustaining an extended culling session that I like to do my culling directly on my laptop and only go to the external display when I'm editing. So I love my 5K display, but I can't really use it for some of the things I really want to use it for.

I'd love to be able to drive both screens at the same time without any hitch, but even with the Vega 20 model, it struggles at some tasks. We're kind of at this weird moment in tech where our technologies have advanced faster than their ability to communicate with their counterparts. When the problem with the link between display and the computer is no longer a thing, I'd hazard to guess that we'll see a lot more competition and much lower prices across the board. Until then, owning a 6K display is going to be an aspirational thing for me.

I’m having similar issues with my Radeon pro 460 and 34” Lg ultrawide, 27” LG 5K and 27” 1080 monitors. Was hoping a loaded 2019 machine would solve this, it is looking increasingly like Apple needs to redesign the cooling system before we can push these “PRO” machines ☹️.
 
I love the fact Apple made this Mac Pro. I just wish they had a cheaper entry level option at $3/4K price with 1TB/64GB RAM.
The prices are just too insane high.
The display is incredible, but $7k with stand and nano tech is ridiculous. They could have an option @ 5K display at $2500 with stand/nano.

Around $13k to get a MP/Display combo is not a feasible option for most Pro's.

I’m curious why people keep complaining that Apple charges too much even when they demonstrably don’t or even when it obviously has little impact on their sales or profits.

Apple already makes the iMac Pro for those who don’t need the full Mac Pro’s capabilities or can’t afford them.
 
The price is right, but the fact that there's no mention to renewed Nvidia support in MacOS is really weird now... I'm beginning to suspect Apple is getting the AMD GPUs for free because of a contract carrying the condition that Nvidia won't be supported anymore in the Mac. Otherwise, it makes absolutely no sense. This is the only explanation IMHO.
 
If you go to Boxx.com and configure one of their Workstations with a similar base configuration to the new Mac Pro. the price is $6000 so its competitive with Name brand, High end workstations.
 
Need a sound card? I am going to get this card for my new Mac Pro!
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SBX card will replace my of optical out on the Mac Pro connected to a sound blaster box to 7.1 surround sound. So you can get super duper audio if needed, the new mac has lots of slots.
 
I hope they have these in the Apple Store, I want to see what a $6k display looks like. Way out of my league/needs but very intrigued.
 
I don’t disagreed with your point.
I just think Apple should have a cheaper entry level point for a MP/display combo at lower specs. Totaling around $6/7k instead of $12/13k. That would attract a huge audience of Pro’s.

That would be an iMac Pro though unless you really need PCI.
I mean, I get it if you don't want a monitor - then you have to step down to a Mac Mini which does not offer the same power as an iMac.
So fair point - Apple could do well to offer a monitor-less mid-point machine between the Mini and the Mac Pro.
 
I’m having similar issues with my Radeon pro 460 and 34” Lg ultrawide, 27” LG 5K and 27” 1080 monitors. Was hoping a loaded 2019 machine would solve this, it is looking increasingly like Apple needs to redesign the cooling system before we can push these “PRO” machines ☹️.

I previously had a 2016 MBP with a Radeon 460. I don't think heat had anything to do with my issues on that machine. It just couldn't move enough pixels to give me smooth operation simultaneously on my MBP screen and LG 5K and would struggle in certain higher demand interfaces.

I had my 2016 MBP paired with an old 30" ACD for a few weeks while I awaited the arrival of my LG 5K. Everything just flew on that 30" monitor, but as soon as I switched over to the 5K, I started seeing bottlenecks.
 
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A question from ignorance: who is the person/company buying this? Don't movie studios generally custom-build? Or is that a relic memory from the past?
 
That would be an iMac Pro though unless you really need PCI.
I mean, I get it if you don't want a monitor - then you have to step down to a Mac Mini which does not offer the same power as an iMac.
So fair point - Apple could do well to offer a monitor-less mid-point machine between the Mini and the Mac Pro.
iMac form factor and Mac Mini is a no go. I need the expansion.
Apple could easily create a MP at lower specs and a 5k display and have this combo at half of the price.
The new machine is a Ferrari and most of us need a Tesla model 3.

I can only hope Apple will eventually bring this option to the rest of us.
 
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I love the fact Apple made this Mac Pro. I just wish they had a cheaper entry level option at $3/4K price with 1TB/64GB RAM.
The prices are just too insane high.
The display is incredible, but $7k with stand and nano tech is ridiculous. They could have an option @ 5K display at $2500 with stand/nano.

Around $13k to get a MP/Display combo is not a feasible option for most Pro's.

You know I was telling someone here this same thing...

They could have made an entry level machine around $2500-$4k with the guts of the iMac Pro in it and still had this extreme one....I mean...it's not hard to have done that and have it had less ports, drives, etc...

I mean look at the MacBook Pro for example...the range of that machine from entry level pro -> to mid level pro -> to extreme Pro.

I can buy a 13" MBP starting at $1299 or a mid MBP up to $1999 or a 15" for $2799 and max that thing out at $4500 logically...

So RIGHT HERE you have the perfect example of how Apple gives their "Pro" laptop user base a huge pro range for everyone.

And yet they completely forgot to do that with this new Tower.

It's a joke honestly...and a slap to a lot of the pro users that stayed loyal to them & made them what they are today...they keep forgetting without these pro's they wouldn't be the company they are today.
 
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I don't know why all the hating on the design, I think it looks great. It's a more modern, refined, and compact version of the old cheese grater design, which was excellent.

But yeah, I wish the base model was a tad more affordable for people that just need more expansion than the Mini provides.

One question I have is how does it fit in a rack mount?
They briefly mentioned that they would also be available in a rack mounted version during the keynote.
 
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In terms of the graphics cards. Can you just purchase compatible cards from anywhere and plug them in after purchase?
 
I previously had a 2016 MBP with a Radeon 460. I don't think heat had anything to do with my issues on that machine. It just couldn't move enough pixels to give me smooth operation simultaneously on my MBP screen and LG 5K and would struggle in certain higher demand interfaces.

I had my 2016 MBP paired with an old 30" ACD for a few weeks while I awaited the arrival of my LG 5K. Everything just flew on that 30" monitor, but as soon as I switched over to the 5K, I started seeing bottlenecks.
As I understood of the design on the 2016 MacBook Pros there is a separate thunderbolt controllers for the left and the right side pair of ports. The 5K monitor was said to pretty much saturate the bandwidth of one buss, and it was recommended only to add lower bandwidth devices on the side where it was attached. I spread the load between both controllers to be safe. I don’t remember how the ACD was connected.
 
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You know I was telling someone here this same thing...

They could have made an entry level machine around $2500-$4k with the guts of the iMac Pro in it and still had this extreme one....I mean...it's not hard to have done that and have it had less ports, drives, etc...

I mean look at the MacBook Pro for example...the range of that machine from entry level pro -> to mid level pro -> to extreme Pro.

I can buy a 13" MBP starting at $1299 or a mid MBP up to $1999 or a 15" for $2799 and max that thing out at $4500 logically...

So RIGHT HERE you have the perfect example of how Apple gives their "Pro" laptop user base a huge pro range for everyone.

And yet they completely forgot to do that with this new Tower.

It's a joke honestly...and a slap to a lot of the pro users that stayed loyal to them & made them what they are today...they keep forgetting without these pro's they wouldn't be the company they are today.

https://www.apple.com/contact/feedback.html There is a little thing called feedback! it has been around from 1984 where it was built into the operating system. Apple, I think you should make this, or the Mac Mini needs more expandable internally. They have learned a lesson about making the system to closed up.
 
But the G5 would only last 5 years before it needed to be upgraded where my 2009 Mac Pro went 10 years. So it is the same price as the G5 but giving you 5 more years of service.

My brother had his G5 running until a year ago, so your assumption it lasted only 5 years is wrong.
But that is exactly what apple tries to prevent, having modular macs in circulation that can largely circumvent the apple tax with after market upgrades and have very long lifespan compared to AIOs or notebooks.
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So, what these people are asking for is a "semipro" machine called a"pro" machine. Where I work, this is exactly what we were waiting for, so I am happy.
Was the G5 2003 for 1800$ a "semipro" machine? If so, yes thats what we were asking for.
 
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A little perspective: In 1993 I paid $10k for a Mac Quadra 700, 15" monitor, a scanner, an ink jet printer, and a couple software apps. I was just finishing design school and got a loan. My first iPhone (3S) was more powerful than the Quadra. People forget what they're really getting for their tech money these days.

Your comparison does not make sense. Technology grows exponentially while with time prices drop and depreciate.
Technology gets cheaper with time not more expensive, especially 250% percent more.
 
Once again, an outrageous price for a “premium” product. Not sure why the frickin’ display needs to be so damn expensive. I’m sure it’ll be nice to look at in the apple store.
How much is too much? I think were there. Who are the users? Vanity video compositors? working on tv ads?
 
You know I was telling someone here this same thing...

They could have made an entry level machine around $2500-$4k with the guts of the iMac Pro in it and still had this extreme one....I mean...it's not hard to have done that and have it had less ports, drives, etc...

I mean look at the MacBook Pro for example...the range of that machine from entry level pro -> to mid level pro -> to extreme Pro.

I can buy a 13" MBP starting at $1299 or a mid MBP up to $1999 or a 15" for $2799 and max that thing out at $4500 logically...

So RIGHT HERE you have the perfect example of how Apple gives their "Pro" laptop user base a huge pro range for everyone.

And yet they completely forgot to do that with this new Tower.

It's a joke honestly...and a slap to a lot of the pro users that stayed loyal to them & made them what they are today...they keep forgetting without these pro's they wouldn't be the company they are today.

There are plenty of 4k and 5K monitors on the market running from $300 up to $2000. You do not have to use the model in the picture. I have a 2 year old 4k LG 43"in computer monitor display and it has been great. In 12 months i am going to move this to the bed room and make it my TV unit. And get a new computer monitor for the new Mac. Yes you can uses your existing display and you don't have to purchase this display.
 
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