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nec207

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Mar 21, 2011
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Applecare. One of the reasons I'll never buy another PC. A lot of you seem to forget this. If something goes wrong and you walk into an Apple Store, I can promise you they're not going to advise you to buy another one.

Unless, of course, your imprudent self tried to remove the battery.

But I'm sure Apple must have way of removing it ? If every thing is glued or soldered they are not going give you know board just because the hard-drive , RAM or battery gone bad.
 

Renzatic

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May be Apple is leading the way of the future for CD/DVD combo drives.But PC's are sill lagging behind with not removing it :eek: so the market is not ready at these for PC's.I'm sure alot PC people that are anti- apple are going really make fun of this for the computer being very costly and top of the line Pro computer and just for the fact that it does not have it.

I don't understand why some of you think that taking away an option is "leading people into the future". Optical drives I can understand to a point, but all the various ports Apple keeps nixing to refine the "sleekness" of their machines? Their leading the way into the future quote unquote just makes things more difficult for some people.

Also older people less computer literate will not know what do . Part of the problem is Microsoft does not have app store like Apple does.

Bad advertising , promoting and slow Microsoft to think new .May be in year or two Microsoft will have app store like apple.

Try 4-5 months or thereabout for the big public release. I've been downloading apps off their app store for about three months now.
 

AppleInMyBlood

macrumors regular
Mar 26, 2012
202
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It certainly meets the "Cool" factor but I agree with Ross Miller.... you'll still be waiting a long time for developers to update apps. Some may not even bother..

I wonder if companies like Autodesk will even care to update at all.

Are you kidding? It will work like it does on the iOS app store. Developers want their apps to look great, and they want them to sell. Why would they let their apps be usurped by Retina-capable competitors?

If I were a developer I'd be thrilled to have such a beautiful canvas to work with.

Also, Mac developers know by now that every Mac will have a Retina display within a couple of years.
 

K42

macrumors regular
Dec 11, 2010
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OK. Very Good. Now, how about that 17" Retina Display??

Of course a retina display is fancy, but I mainly wonder whether a 15" retina display can make up for the lost screen real estate of the (matte) 17". "Lost" in in terms of being equally useful for doing real work all day long, not in terms of pixel count. And also because it looks like Apple is not going to offer a 17" anymore.

I am writing this on my 17", and the characters are small enough as they are.

I guess it is going to be a while before I buy a new laptop. Let's see what we have a few years down the road. Be it from Apple of otherwise.
 
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Marx55

macrumors 68000
Jan 1, 2005
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"It's got less glare than previous MacBook Pro screens"

WOW, How could they do it?
Hint: matte screens have no glare!!!
 

iRobby

macrumors 6502a
Mar 22, 2011
994
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Fort Myers, FL USA
Stopped reading when the first review said "inexpensive".

Read the full article it is a play on words:



June 13, 2012
MacBook, a Point Shy of Perfect
By DAVID POGUE


If you could design your dream laptop, how would you describe it?

Superfast. Superthin. Superlight. Superlong battery life. Immense storage. Enough memory to keep lots of programs open at once. Stunning screen, comfortable keyboard, terrific sound. Fast start-up, rugged body, gorgeous looks.

And, of course, inexpensive.

The new Apple laptop that went on sale Monday hits an impressive number of those high notes in one radical swoop. As you might guess, the one it misses by the biggest margin is “inexpensive.”

Then again, the new 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display is intended for professionals — photographers, video editors, musicians and other people whose laptop is the heart of everyday work. If they can scrounge up $2,200 (for the base model) to $3,750 (for the died-and-gone-to-heaven model), they’ll be well rewarded.

And if the early online reaction is any indication, a lot of them are already scrounging — if they’re not too busy mopping the drool from their chins.

It’s been four years since Apple last redesigned its laptops. In that time, a funny thing happened to the computer industry: the MacBook Air. It’s a crazy thin aluminum wedge, two-thirds of an inch at its thickest point, that weighs very little, starts up very quickly and turns a lot of heads.

Apple achieved those goals by throwing out some then-standard features. A DVD drive. An Ethernet jack. And, most alarmingly of all, a hard drive.

Instead of the traditional spinning platters of a hard drive, the MacBook Air has flash storage — memory chips that store all your programs and files even when the computer is turned off.

Flash storage has a number of benefits. It’s rugged, because there are no moving parts. It’s fast, especially in starting the computer and opening programs. It saves battery power, because there are no mechanical discs to spin. It’s silent. And it’s tiny, so the laptop itself can be thinner.

But flash drives are much, much more expensive than spinning hard drives. The prices are falling steadily, but flash storage won’t match the capacity of a hard drive for the same price any time soon.

Anyway, despite its price (now $1,000 and up), the MacBook Air eventually became popular, and now you can get beautiful, thin Windows laptops, called ultrabooks, built on the same concept.

All of this brings us to the new MacBook Pro. Apple evidently felt that the price and capacity of flash storage had finally reached a point where it could replace hard drives in the company’s pro laptops; indeed, for $500 above the base price, you can get the new machine with a 768-gigabyte flash drive. That’s not quite as much storage as you can get on the existing MacBook Pro in hard drive form (1 terabyte), but it’s not cramped.

With no hard drive or DVD drive, Apple could make the new machine much thinner and lighter than its predecessor, which Apple still sells (for $400 less). The new laptop is only 0.7 inch thick — about the same as the fat end of a MacBook Air — and weighs 4.5 pounds. It’s not the thinnest or lightest 15-incher (the Samsung Series 9 is fractionally thinner and 0.8 pound lighter, for example), but it’s easily one-handable.

Apple calls the new machine the “most beautiful computer we’ve ever made.” The MacBook Air begs to differ. Even so, this new laptop certainly is pretty; it wouldn’t even make it past the lobby of the Ugly Museum Hall of Fame.

The guts are top of the line and sizzling fast: the latest quad-core Intel processor, Bluetooth 4.0, a memory card slot and a cooling fan that has asymmetrical blades. That’s to make the fan quieter, since irregular blades spread the air noise over multiple frequencies. (Wow, Apple — perfectionist much?)

I didn’t sit there with a stopwatch, but I can attest that the “7-hour” battery easily lasts a full day of work, provided you break for lunch and a couple of phone calls. An HDMI jack appears on this Mac for the first time, for one-cable connection to TV sets and projectors (there is no traditional video jack).

It also has terrific-sounding, powerful stereo speakers and dual microphones. Why dual? Because dictation — talk-to-type — is a new feature in the coming version of the Mac OS, Mountain Lion. Apple says that two mikes offer better background-noise elimination when you’re speaking.

But you know what? Innards, schminnards. The headline component of the new MacBook Pro will hit you between the eyes the minute you open its lid: a Retina display.

That’s Apple’s term for a screen with such high resolution — so many tiny dots — that you can’t make out individual pixels, even if you smash your face against the glass like a loon. Retina displays already distinguish the latest iPhone and iPad models, but this is the first real computer to get one, and it really is eye-popping.

The resolution of this screen is 2,880 by 1,800 pixels. That’s 5.1 million tiny dots, compared with 1 million or 2 million on a typical 15-inch laptop. It’s the highest-resolution laptop screen in the world.

Videos, photos and text benefit from this astonishingly sharp screen. But keep in mind that your programs won’t look any sharper until they’re updated for the Retina screen. The standard Apple apps have been updated, or will be shortly: Safari, Mail, Aperture, iMovie, Final Cut, iPhoto. Updates for Photoshop and Autodesk are on the way.

Even in most nonupdated programs, menus, dialogue boxes and typed text get sharpened automatically. But in a few programs, text looks jagged and awful on the Retina screen. Amazon Kindle Reader, the Barnes & Noble reader and Chrome fall in this category. (Amazon and Google say an update is on the way; Barnes & Noble hasn’t promised anything, but an update is a good bet.)

That wait-for-updates business doesn’t add up to much of an objection to this dream machine. But other disappointments may.

For example, this laptop has only two USB jacks. True, they’re combination USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 — you can plug in either kind of gadget, and the laptop automatically gives you the best possible speed and power. But rival laptops have more USB jacks.

As though to compensate, you get two Thunderbolt jacks, which are supposed to be high-speed miracle connectors for hard drives, screens and other add-ons. Unfortunately, there aren’t many yet.

Remember, too, that this MacBook Air-inspired laptop lacks both a DVD drive and an Ethernet jack. Apple says that Wi-Fi is everywhere now, and if you want to watch a movie, you can stream it from the Internet.

Frankly, that’s a typically too-soon Apple conclusion. Wi-Fi isn’t everywhere, and lots of movies aren’t available legally for streaming. (Ever fly on a plane? You can’t stream any movies at all if the flight doesn’t have Wi-Fi.) As a workaround, you can buy an external DVD drive ($80) and Ethernet adapter ($30).

Final bummer: the new MacBook’s svelte figure demanded a new power-cord design. Apple’s MagSafe connector has always been a perk of its laptops: the power cord attaches magnetically, so you don’t drag the computer off the desk when you trip on its cord. All MacBooks had the same MagSafe connector.

Not anymore. The new MacBook (and this week’s updated MacBook Air) requires a narrower MagSafe connector. Earlier power adapters won’t fit this laptop (at least without Apple’s $10 adapter), and vice versa — a crushing disappointment to anyone who’s paid $80 each for power cords to keep in different places.

How does the new laptop fare on the Ultimate Laptop Wish List? Extremely well. It tops the charts on screen, keyboard, sound, start-up time, looks, battery life and fast/thin/light. It can have copious memory (up to 16 gigabytes) and storage, for a handsome fee.

Inexpensive? Not even close. But as with cars, homes and partners, you can’t have everything. Professionals, commence your scrounging.

E-mail: pogue@nytimes.com
 

astroceanomy

macrumors newbie
Jun 14, 2012
2
0
MacBook Pro Retina

:mad: Things which I don't like about the new MacBook Pro Retina

1- Most applications are still not Retina supported..

2- I've noticed some of the drivers are missing, like

A- Optical Disk drive
B- The lock protection is missing
C- The IR drive is missing.. I can no longer use my remote
D- The Ethernet port is missing... it's very important
E- The battery level indicator is missing

Up to now, the standard MacBook Pro is more practical.
 

ShiftyPig

macrumors 6502a
Aug 24, 2008
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AU
Saying this is a point against the machine is entirely wrong. I can understand if you say that it'd be a good idea to wait until developers update their apps, but your statement as is essentially implies that innovation is bad. With this line of thinking we'd still be watching TV in 4:3 aspect ratio and movies would be distributed on VHS. Of course third party applications aren't optimised for a 2880x1800 pixel screens or 220ppi, because such screens didn't exist for them to optimise for a week ago!

I never implied that it would never get fixed. But it is definitely something that people need to be alerted to before throwing down over $2K today versus waiting four months. That's why reviews exist.

It's no different than if you bought a Ferrari and on the way out the door the salesperson mentioned, "Well, we're using a new gearbox and you have first through third right now. We'll get back to you over the next few months with four through six." That isn't acceptable. Getting fixed - yes. However, it *is* a negative at the time of review.
 

zeromeus

macrumors regular
Oct 7, 2008
181
3
SOCAL
All I wanted is a thinner, lighter MBP

I don't care too much about retina. I was really disappointed that there was no thinner, lighter 13" MBP. I decided to go with the 13" MBA instead. Now that I'm thinking about it.. I should have waited a little bit longer for the 13" MBPR to come out which I had originally thought would be released in Oct. before this article was posted.
 

skywalkerr69

macrumors 6502a
Jan 21, 2011
748
407
New York
Applecare. One of the reasons I'll never buy another PC. A lot of you seem to forget this. If something goes wrong and you walk into an Apple Store, I can promise you they're not going to advise you to buy another one.

Unless, of course, your imprudent self tried to remove the battery.

What? You go on newegg and spend .00000000001% of the cost of Applecare for a replacement part for a PC.
 

macpeter

macrumors newbie
Jul 25, 2006
17
0
Glasgow, Scotland
Yes absolutely :)

Okay as there's already 2 posts talking about the "inexpensive" quote so just to let people know:

If you've come here to talk about the "inexpensive" quote please read the sentence that follows.

... because the quote from the New York Times omits the title and very first line of David Pogue's article:

MacBook, a Point Shy of Perfect

If you could design your dream laptop, how would you describe it?

Pogue is exactly making the case that the new retina display macbook is perfect in every respect you'd wish for but one: namely it IS expensive lol.
 

marmotmammal

macrumors member
It's expensive, especially the 16gb RAM options. I've been comparing PC laptops for video editing, and the ones that can accommodate 16gb RAM are also expensive. Then if I switch to Premiere Pro that's expensive, unless I use Lightworks, which won't get me any gigs.

Overall, the Retina laptop and video software (I already own FCPX) isn't a bad deal, and Retina/FCPX could become very popular. I'll probably get Aperture too since it's Retina-compatible and cheap. I'm concerned about the 1gb VRAM, but if I can squeeze three years out of this laptop, that's OK.

I think there's a viable future with Retina, and I'm certain the Windoze community is eyeing it.
 

AppleInMyBlood

macrumors regular
Mar 26, 2012
202
0
I can't wait to visit the Apple store this tomorrow to look at this beauty :)

I saw it yesterday and the display is mind-boggling, but the sleekness of the machine was a revelation also. Love the way they kept the already beautiful unibody design and just made it even better.

On another note, this machine is very fast and powerful, runs OS X and is priced for pros, not general consumers. So I really don't want to see posts complaining that Apple isn't interested in the pro market anymore. Yes, I know, the Mac Pro update was a letdown, but at least we know that a new one is coming eventually.
 

Ubuntu

macrumors 68020
Jul 3, 2005
2,140
474
UK/US
Stopped reading when the first review said "inexpensive".

Should have read the next paragraph, at least.


David Pogue said:
And, of course, inexpensive.

The new Apple laptop that went on sale Monday hits an impressive number of those high notes in one radical swoop. As you might guess, the one it misses by the biggest margin is "inexpensive."

I think he was trying to catch the reader's eye by making it appear that he was suggesting that it was inexpensive, as it's a controversial claim.
 

AppleInMyBlood

macrumors regular
Mar 26, 2012
202
0
Of course a retina display is fancy, but I mainly wonder whether a 15" retina display can make up for the lost screen real estate of the (matte) 17". "Lost" in in terms of being equally useful for doing real work all day long, not in terms of pixel count. And also because it looks like Apple is not going to offer a 17" anymore.

I am writing this on my 17", and the characters are small enough as they are.

I guess it is going to be a while before I buy a new laptop. Let's see what we have a few years down the road. Be it from Apple of otherwise.

You can run it with as much desktop space as the previous high-res option, or the 17" format as well, IIRC--not as sharp, but still much better than the non-Retina models.
 

JHankwitz

macrumors 68000
Oct 31, 2005
1,911
58
Wisconsin
Stopped reading when the first review said "inexpensive".

The 1990 Mac IIfx had no monitor, a 40MB (not GB) hard drive, ran at 40MH w/4MB (not GB) of RAM, and cost $9,900. You could get additional RAM and HD space for a total of $12,000. That was expensive. This new MacBook Pro Retina is relatively very inexpensive.
 

URFloorMatt

macrumors 6502
Jul 4, 2010
419
0
Washington, D.C.
C- The IR drive is missing.. I can no longer use my remote
While I'm somewhat sympathetic to most of the complaints about removed features, this change I welcome with open arms. I am incredibly sick and tired of iTunes firing up and playing whenever I go to use my Apple TV.

If I want to control iTunes via remote, I'll use the Remote app.
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
12,682
10,517
Austin, TX
The 1990 Mac IIfx had no monitor, a 40MB (not GB) hard drive, ran at 40MH w/4MB (not GB) of RAM, and cost $9,900. You could get additional RAM and HD space for a total of $12,000. That was expensive. This new MacBook Pro Retina is relatively very inexpensive.

"Relatively" and "very" don't really go together well.

You can't possibly believe that. The value of the parts is so much lower now. Everything is cheaper to acquire, build, and the software is made efficiently. It is an expensive computer, period.
 

JHankwitz

macrumors 68000
Oct 31, 2005
1,911
58
Wisconsin
What? You go on newegg and spend .00000000001% of the cost of Applecare for a replacement part for a PC.

And how much do you need to pay to know which part needs to be replaced? Degrees in computer electronics and repair don't come cheep. AppleCare is far less expensive.
 

AppleInMyBlood

macrumors regular
Mar 26, 2012
202
0
:mad: Things which I don't like about the new MacBook Pro Retina

1- Most applications are still not Retina supported..

It's three days since the thing was released!!! You wanted developers to sell Retina apps when there was no Retina Mac to use them on?

2- I've noticed some of the drivers are missing, like

A- Optical Disk drive
B- The lock protection is missing
C- The IR drive is missing.. I can no longer use my remote
D- The Ethernet port is missing... it's very important
E- The battery level indicator is missing

I noticed the floppy drive is missing too, damn it! You know, tech changes. If the Ethernet port is very important to you, buy an adapter. Within a year or two, most laptops will not have optical drives, or Ethernet ports, so perhaps you should get used to it.
 
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