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Rumor Claims iOS 14 to Support All the Same iPhones as iOS 13
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I don’t program personal computers but I do program industrial controls which have proprietary systems and software. At least with those systems upgrades don’t become a big problem until chipsets change architecture. So going from 8 to 16 bit or 16 to 32 etc. if new coprocessors are added that might cause a problem, but usually it just means the main CPU ends up needing to do a lot more processing if the coprocessor doesn’t exist. If this is in a machine that makes widgets then the parts per minute speed of the production line may be restricted as an example. So actual chip architecture usually doesn’t have a big effect on the running program in many cases, other than speed.
Just to prove how capable older Android phones are, I installed Lineage OS 16 (Android Pie) on a Galaxy S4 and it works flawlessly. This included the complete Google suite.
It is definitely the manufacturers who are dropping support for older devices even though they are still more than capable of running newer versions of Android.
This is one of the reasons I hate that some manufacturers lock down the bootloader on Android devices.
It artificially locks them into an older OS.
the 7th gen touch says hi and that you actually forgot about it
what a stupid thing to say.. Apple dropped support for devices with 1GB of RAM for iOS 13, once that happens, they are stuck to the OS they have, not continuing on with iOS 14, that doesn’t make sense
anyway this Garbage French site said that SE wasn’t going to get iOS 13 back in the day because (if I believe) of how tiny the screen was, not anything to do with processor/RAM. They should bow they’re heads in shame, never to make such predictions again but they did, and because they forgot of the next iOS being more of (similar) to iOS 12/iOS 9, I think all of them will be supported
Or maybe it's because they can't find anything of substance in their lives? It's a freaking phone, for crying out loud, not the second coming, or a visitation by an alien civilization, or even sane world leadership. New consumer tech releases are very similar to a massive sugar rush, and just as hollow a short while afterwards. No flames, please, it's just me, frustrated with the world. I'll get over it.
Air 2 has a more powerful chip than the Mini 4. I can't see them maintaining support for the less powerful device and dropping the more powerful device.
The amount of people that update their phones every year is an incredibly niche group of enthusiasts. A few years ago it was very common, but most people are not spending a thousand dollars on a yearly phone that is marginally better than the one that came before. Every two years is still pretty common, but three years is probably the average these days.
I bought my 6s in the beginning of 2016, and I have yet to see a reason to upgrade. There is not a single thing in the iPhones released since then that has made me feel like my phone is out of date. I was planning on upgrading this year, but if I am still getting another version of iOS then I can almost guarantee that I will hold off on an upgrade for another year.
Yes. I believe they are called “tech podcasters & Apple vloggers”.
The rest of us, smartly, realized a long time ago that phones have basically reached “way more than good enough for most everything” many years/revisions ago now.
There’s a reason Apple stopped reporting unit sales of iPhones...
I’d love to give Apple money for a new iPhone again — if they’d ever again make one physically smaller than the 4.7” class devices.
We have quit a few 6s phones in our family, and they are holding up great. Although, Portrait mode for taking pictures is the one feature that everyone says they wish they had. I would add better water resistant design to reduce damage.
That wouldn't be surprising... especially the SE was massively overpowered when released. Thanks to its small screen it practically performs at the same speeds as an iPhone 7. (Source: many side by side tests on youtube).
On the other hand, Apple is more and more pushing its services rather than hardware. Keeping the SE and older models alive likely allows better support for apps on markets that can't afford latest gen phones.
Needless to say, all of this should be protected by a TPM or other low level security chip, encryption and signed binaries.
On the other hand, Apple is more and more pushing its services rather than hardware. Keeping the SE and older models alive likely allows better support for apps on markets that can't afford latest gen phones.
What bothers me on mobile plattforms is the outdated concept of ROMs. On any laptop (including Macs) you can put in a USB-stick and install an OS of your choice. Missing a device? Just install the driver. And that could be done automically, like on Windows which queries the Microsoft driver database via Windows Update. If it was that simple on a phone (put OS on USB stick, launch boot loader on phone and select boot from stick, probably confirm low level security code first) Android devices would have a much longer life span than they do now. Additionally, one could easily clean-install new devices right after purchase to an actually secure system.
Needless to say, all of this should be protected by a TPM or other low level security chip, encryption and signed binaries.
Yearly upgrades are likely quite a bit lower than that, but in any case you missed the point: “big” is relative.
50 million might seem like a big number, but compared to 950 million, it’s not.
OS updates matter to a vast majority of users. It’s awesome that you buy a new phone every year and getting years of updates doesn’t matter to you. But as I said, few do so. You’re outnumbered 19:1, even at my very generous estimate of 50 million of 200 million iPhones sold in a year being yearly upgraders.
And I was just talking about iOS users. In the Android world, the number of non-yearly upgrades is in the billions.
WOW! this is awesome NEWS! Thank you APPLE I get to hang onto my iPhone 8 Plus which runs 5G speed on ATT evolution 5G. No Need to get a 5G new iPhone. my phone already doing 5G as a Hotspot
The claim: iOS 14 to support all iOS 13 devices
The claim is that iOS 14 will be hugely backward compatible, to the extent that it will run on every existing iPhone that can run iOS 13, though not the iPad mini 4 and the iPad Air 2. (iOS 13 supports every device back to and including the iPhone 6S and the 2015 iPhone SE.)
That Apple may consider supporting those devices once again with iOS 14 is great news for budget-strapped IT managers. They should not bet on this rumor just yet, as it comes from an obscure French website called iPhonesoft and hasn’t at this time been confirmed by anyone else.
The claim: iOS 14 to support all iOS 13 devices
The claim is that iOS 14 will be hugely backward compatible, to the extent that it will run on every existing iPhone that can run iOS 13, though not the iPad mini 4 and the iPad Air 2. (iOS 13 supports every device back to and including the iPhone 6S and the 2015 iPhone SE.)
That Apple may consider supporting those devices once again with iOS 14 is great news for budget-strapped IT managers. They should not bet on this rumor just yet, as it comes from an obscure French website called iPhonesoft and hasn’t at this time been confirmed by anyone else.
Ive got a mini 4, and it’s noticeably slower than my 6s. So A8/2GB I can see being dropped.
But the A8X has 3 CPU and 8 GPU cores, to the A8’s 2CPU/4GPU. Also, Air 2 wasn’t discontinued until 2017.
I think there’s a decent chance that the Air 2 will be supported in iOS 14 🤞 Who knows though. But this source was wrong last year.
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Well dip, that'd be amazing. If the 2020 iPhone doesn't pan out like I'm hoping it does, looks like I'll be on my iPhone SE for another year.
Really need to get that battery replaced regardless.
Really need to get that battery replaced regardless.
My mother is using an Air 2. If it doesn't get the update, I get it---that machine is like 5 years old. That roughly seems like Apple's cut off point for ios devices.
Re-read my post. I never said 50 million users upgrade yearly. My point was that even if it were that high, it’s still only 5% of the installed base.
If I had to guess, I’d estimate that maybe 1 in 10 iPhones sold would be to someone with last year’s model. So maybe 20 million.
I wouldn’t call 10% niche though. But compared to maybe 180 million upgrading from a 2+ year old iPhone, it’s relatively small.
it’s really unbelievable. Mail on ios13 most of the time is terribly slow and unresponsive... USELESS!!!
Yes I do. I’m like why? What drives this individual to purchase something we use pretty much all the time from a company that makes a phone that explodes and a 10 year old can hack into? Why??