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Rumors Persist About Apple Placing Touch ID on Back of iPhone 8
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Placement on the back works great with the cases Apple sells :/ How is this rumor even believable?
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Samsung has copied Apple far more than the reverse. Placement on the back, given that Apple sales cases, is ridiculous and counter-intuitive.
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Samsung has copied Apple far more than the reverse. Placement on the back, given that Apple sales cases, is ridiculous and counter-intuitive.
Touch ID will never be on the back. It's currently integrated into the home button and while Apple can separate the two it may not be smart to do so. Currently you can double press the home button to bring up all your cards on the lock screen, select your card and then use Touch ID to pay. You move Touch ID to the back and you loose that ability. Since to make this work seemless you'll need to use your thumb finger. The most used finger on Touch ID and home button is the thumb finger. Move Touch ID to the back side to gain a bigger screen is not worth the trade off.
Just a casual debate
Two functionalities: audio jack and power...jack?
30-pin to lightning still retained two functionalities at the same time. That change does not compare to the removal of audio jack last year, where you get bottlenecked to one functionality at a time and have to choose between audio or power charging.
It was a half-a**ed decision by engineers that weren't pushed to solve the problem of too little space in the phone (in both camera bump and 3.5 jack removal).
Jobs decision to change from 30-pin to lightning was not the same. That scenario actually GAVE a better user experience by not having to figure out which way was the "right" way to insert the plug.
OK your turn
Why does it need to change - just for the sake of changing, to entertain all the smartphone fanatics who say they're "bored"? If something works well, you refine and polish it, you don't just change it JUST for the sake of it - they leave idiotic nonsense like that to the other companies. If you're "bored" of iPhone design, I'd say it's more likely you are fed up with your life - seek fulfillment, and it AIN'T in an iPhone.
Tell you what, if you're "bored", go into Accessibility settings and invert the colours - that should keep you entertained for a while
If people get bored they move on. For the sake of the iPhone franchise it would be best if people didn't move on. The iPhone has become stagnant. Just like blackberry failed Apple is headed in the same way.
im not liking the idea of this at all. i use my phone sitting on my desk a ton and i don't have to pick it up to use touch Id. Id like to keep it that way please.
iOS is a looong way from being transparent. It requires way too much fidgeting to get what you need. I realize many people aren't creative enough to comprehend anything better but it's got ample room for improvement and I'll leave it at that. I'll let the geniuses at infinite loop try to figure it out.
You couldn't be more wrong, you have no idea. Just the fact that you even put Apple and blackberry in the same box proves you know nothing about what you speak of.
Some would argue that it's a bad thing. Not every use of a phone while in the car is a dangerous one, but forcing people to unlock from the back could definitely be more dangerous. And until Siri isn't a complete moron, I don't find using Siri in its current state safe by any means.
Yeah, Apple is definitely not on the same path as Blackberry.
have you been around for any of Apple's latest releases? There will be a shortage no matter what.... It's their new thing.
Just a casual debate
Two functionalities: audio jack and power...jack?
30-pin to lightning still retained two functionalities at the same time. That change does not compare to the removal of audio jack last year, where you get bottlenecked to one functionality at a time and have to choose between audio or power charging.
It was a half-a**ed decision by engineers that weren't pushed to solve the problem of too little space in the phone (in both camera bump and 3.5 jack removal).
Jobs decision to change from 30-pin to lightning was not the same. That scenario actually GAVE a better user experience by not having to figure out which way was the "right" way to insert the plug.
OK your turn
Moving the goal posts, are we?
So the truth comes out you're using your bitterness over the removal of the jack over what I already clearly explained to you, yet you're going off a tangent besides the point about a transitional phase with 30 Pin to lightning.
First and foremost, when a manufacturer Changes the way a device charges, it's a big transition. Why? Because you have a device that likely has a plethora of extra cables or investment of other accessories for that specific connector. Transitioning from 30 Pin to lightning may have been a better experience for audio and charging purposes, but it's still an inconvenience for the money spent to use the device to allow compatibly with other devices. When the transition occurred to lightning, you either purchase a new device or dump the current method you are using to charge/listen to music. Bottom line is...Change may inconvenience us and may be for the better, but ONLY the user decides what's better. Its THEIR investment.
Second, as battered as the 3.5 Jack discussion is and you're resurrecting anguish towards it, it's very simple..Your above quote about "Engineers were pushed to solve a problem with little to space." Anecdotal without evidence and that's an opinion at best. Unless you're an Engineer that works for Apple, that argument holds no weight, similarly to your point about a "Camera bump", which the argument could be made the iPhone could have been made thicker to have a flush camera, then the complaint would have surfaced that the iPhone "Is to thick." In other words, you have no argument their and it goes both ways.
My opinion on the deleted 3.5 Jack is simple. The Airpods launched at the same time the 3.5 Jack was deleted. Why? Because Apple knew this was their answer to remedy the backlash and gave the opportunity to make loads of cash off a brilliantly executed product (With the exception of the failed launch) to the consumer. And..it was Apple's opportunity to transition into the Bluetooth market with a proprietary product.
Like it or not, the Airpods are a home run product and you may not agree with the changes or throw ill-sighted assumptions, but Apple is a company to make money and they are doing exactly that.
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Whats the Point to not include it in the Apple logo it looks awkward to have two thing int the back without functional need for separate placement.
Sounds like you're trying to talk yourself into believing your own idea.
I personally had a Nexus 6P for a while, first Android phone in several years. I loved the sensor on the back. I was never huge on unlocking while on a desk, because if I was going to use the phone I always picked it up anyway (true with all my phones). Having it on the back was very easy to feel for, and was much more comfortable for me compared to iPhone 6/6+ which are wide longer phone that require somewhat awkward stretching of thumb (way shorter finger than index) in order to reach button; especially true of the 6+, my god imagine using one handed Touch ID with that LOL. It's possible, but not comfortable.
Diamond is hard to scratch, that's what the cover of Touch ID uses.
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We need a tough guy like you on these forms. I admire your work
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Get ready to dig deep when unlocking your phone. I assume people will actually start to use face unlock more after the 8 release
So, I'm apparently trying to talk myself into something while you obviously have a hard time understanding that just because you like something, not everyone does or even has to.
It's not aesthetically appealing to me. Simple as that. And in addition I don't see it to be practical and if you read the thread you notice I'm nowhere to be alone with that.
And no, I'm not one of those who "would buy it regardless in the end", otherwise I wouldn't still be on a 5S...
Totally agree. I am fine with the way it is now with it on the front, and would rather not have an edge-to-edge screen if that means having to shift the phone to press the sensor on the back everytime i need to unlock.
I have bought every iPhone since the original and if Apple puts the Touch ID sensor on the back I will not buy the "iPhone 8." I will stick with the iPhone 7s+. I mean what are the cases going to look like? A damn case with a hole in the back where the sensor is would look ridiculously stupid! Other people bring up valid other issues with the placing of the sensor on the back.
HUGE FAIL Apple if you do this!!!
Yet somehow, in your head, did not stop the S8 being one of the "best phones of the decade", while simultaneously having "the worst, least thought out idea, a multi billion research and development company could present.". Riiiight
fwiw I think it's a garbage idea for either of them. But then, I only have one standard that I hold everyone to
Well, you are entitled to your opinion and I hope you are right. I just believe innovation, not stagnation is the way to the future....but maybe you're right. Maybe stagnation and status quo is what people want. If you want to get the feel for what Apple used to feel like start following Tesla. Apple has flatlined under Cook.
Most people have not tried one on the back, which is apparent by their immediate reaction to change.
I'm not saying you should or should not have an opinion, but was just observing that based on your comments, it sounds like you're open to it being on the back but just don't like it. I was trying to share my experience. After what they did with the 6 and 6S (antenna bands, camera hump), this Rear Touch ID is not even that bad LOL. I expect it to look worse than it could be (mostly due to vertical camera), but it still looks better than the 6 and 6S.
Never said you would like it anyway. A few others have though.
Ha, getting emotional when arguments are refuted with reasoning, are we?
Calm down, calm down... No need to get worked up and attack me with your hurt feelings
There are no egos here.You're missing my point, I'm afraid. Everything you're saying is true, but nothing negates my point.
If Apple left off the headphone jack to sell their airpods... That makes sense. Sure Apple would say "f*** you. Buy my airpods": that certainly fits within their M.O. Same goes with the 30-pin: "F*** you. Buy new dongles".
But, that reasoned point does not negate my argument that Apple is comfortable with not striving for excellence (i.e. comfortable with mediocrity, and/or admitting failure) because they couldn't figure out how to fix the camera bump or keep the headphone jack. The 30-pin example, again, didn't take away functionality just changed the method. I'm not disagreeing that Apple makes money, or that they're good at marketing spins, or that both the 3.5 jack and and the 30-pin removal is helping their bottom line.
My main argument, again, is that Apple is not pushing the engineering further, and the camera bump and headphone jack are examples of that. You said it yourself: "Transitioning from 30 Pin to lightning may have been a better experience for audio and charging purposes." That is exactly one of my points, because there is no better user experience with removing the headphone jack, nor was there for having a camera bump that makes the phone wobble on a flat surface when pressing the screen.
TL;DR: Apple is comfortable with mediocrity.
Deep ocean shots are always amazing. I'm still memorized by how the two extremes of things in life are always so similar. Deep ocean shots looking like deep space. A shot of a galaxy in space looks almost identical to some shots of the human eye, shots of land from a satellite looking like microscope shots of cells, etc.
Ha, getting emotional when arguments are refuted with reasoning, are we?
Calm down, calm down... No need to get worked up and attack me with your hurt feelings
You're missing my point, I'm afraid. Everything you're saying is true, but nothing negates my point.
If Apple left off the headphone jack to sell their airpods... That makes sense. Sure Apple would say "f*** you. Buy my airpods": that certainly fits within their M.O. Same goes with the 30-pin: "F*** you. Buy new dongles".
But, that reasoned point does not negate my argument that Apple is comfortable with not striving for excellence (i.e. comfortable with mediocrity, and/or admitting failure) because they couldn't figure out how to fix the camera bump or keep the headphone jack. The 30-pin example, again, didn't take away functionality just changed the method. I'm not disagreeing that Apple makes money, or that they're good at marketing spins, or that both the 3.5 jack and and the 30-pin removal is helping their bottom line.
My main argument, again, is that Apple is not pushing the engineering further, and the camera bump and headphone jack are examples of that. You said it yourself: "Transitioning from 30 Pin to lightning may have been a better experience for audio and charging purposes." That is exactly one of my points, because there is no better user experience with removing the headphone jack, nor was there for having a camera bump that makes the phone wobble on a flat surface when pressing the screen.
TL;DR: Apple is comfortable with mediocrity.
It's the Internet. I'm indifferent to any feelings or egos during a discussion regarding technology. For the sake of your comment about refuting, that would be considered part of discussion. Disagreements are also part of discussion. But I can appreciate a solid discussion.
That said, I understand Apple has made changes over the years that not everybody agrees with, as I recently stated, but that doesn't change the fact that technology changes more than a company sometimes does. Sometimes a company has to take a stand and do things that we don't always appreciate or what is convenient for us in a mobile and digital world. And Apple is that company that is not afraid to make the changes necessary and I admire that about them.
Just for the record, we all know Apple faces more scrutiny then any other electronic manufacture, because of their legacy with Steve Jobs and the strong following they have because of the product line that they make so well. That said, Motorola was actually the first to delete the 3.5 mm Jack and they barely faced any noticeable backlash at all. Why? Because Motorola doesn't carry The reputation that Apple does, and everybody holds Apple to a higher standard.
I can understand those who are upset with investments of wired headphones when Apple deleted the 3.5 mm Jack, and considering how the iPhone is one of the most widely used cell phones on the market today. But, I'm not following your argument about a wobbly camera bump on the back of an iPhone lying on a table. That's just seems frivolous to even make an argument about that, that's more of a hardware feature than it is a technological advancement.
But what I really appreciate about Apple, they're not the first to release technology on the market. Other manufacturers are steps ahead of them in some respects. But when Apple does release their features that measure up to the competitors, they always put a unique spin and make the future better then the other manufactures do. It's not always about being the first to release something, as it is to have something that works efficiently and has quality behind it. And that's what Apple does so well.
And your definition or interpretation of mediocrity with Apple is different than mine. But then again, it goes back to the reason I made the point that you seem very disgruntled about the 3.5 mm Jack being deleted, and you're using that as leverage against Apple. When in reality, watch the other cell phone manufactures follow suit. It's just a matter of time when those changes come and Apple made the stand early on.
In the end, Apple knows what they're doing, even if you don't want to believe they do. And for the sake of mediocrity, Apple has the largest R&D budget they've ever had since Steve Jobs passing. I'm confident they have some great products coming in the future that will benefit some of us, but maybe not all of us who don't view it that way.
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