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Getting into it a bit more, I pulled apart my mac pro to look at how to fit everything in. The FSP boosterX3 will fit in very easily, I can also route the cables via the existing gap. Though I will have to remove the fan assembly which is very easy after watching this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfIfHuM9I6g

....soo as soon as all the parts arrive I will post up some pics on how it will be done :)

Edit: Here are some photo's to show where to route the power cables.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36197914@N08/sets/72157615975401309/detail/
 
Sonic, which Mac Pro (year) are installing the cables to?

Nehalem 2.93 Octad 2009 Mac Pro.

Got the cable, SATA power to molex, then a Y splitter to power the second card from the second optical drive bay, the graphics cards are happy (they will spin up the fans to 100% when they are not being powered sufficiently) but no screen :(. Have to go to class, will come mess around more with it later.
 
Nehalem 2.93 Octad 2009 Mac Pro.

Got the cable, SATA power to molex, then a Y splitter to power the second card from the second optical drive bay, the graphics cards are happy (they will spin up the fans to 100% when they are not being powered sufficiently) but no screen :(. Have to go to class, will come mess around more with it later.

Did you have any luck getting it goin? Also what video cards are you using?
 
I recieved my boosterX 3 today. Big thanks to www.atxpowersupplies.com for their prompt service. After installing this I only await the video cards from Apple later this month. Noise levels on this psu are very good. I was concerned about the 2 smaller fans. Putting my ear next to the case I can barely tell any difference.:cool:

Guide yourself through this flickr album, there are lots of pics each with details on how I installed it. Took about 1hr to do it right and to make sure it was working. Enjoy!:D

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36197914@N08/sets/72157616169842077/detail/

p.s (sorry about the amateur photography...didn't have the time to get every shot perfect:rolleyes:)
 
Here is my tinkering:

I routed power from the optical drive (second one) and just left the case open (no point in cable routing if i dont know the configuration will work to my liking, plus with the new 09 model seems as though the cable routing job will be impossible as shown in matthew.russo's configuration. I have provided the proper power to both of my cards without the use of my external power supply.

Cards: Factory Radeon HD 4870 512mb Ram. (Slot 1)

Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB Ram (Slot 2)

There is a trick to achieving this however. You cannot route the power strictly from the optical drive, you must take a 6pin from the original Apple Radeon card, and hook it into your second graphic cards 6 pin port, and leave the other one in its original state (in the orig apple card) then route the optical drive from molex to 1 6pin and 1 8pin converter (for my X2, other cards will just need 2 6 pins) and hok the 6 pin to the apple card and the 8 pin to the second video card. the cableling will have to be exact, if not the second graphics card will yield a red light and will not be supplied the proper power. (I did this configuration in the past without switching up the original 6 pins that came with the mac pro and found that my computer would shut down abruptly after 5-10 minutes of intensive use)

Another thing to note is, using a splitter to transforms into to 6+2 pins, will NOT work. Playing F.E.A.R 2 max settings, after about 20 minutes, the computer would shut itself off. I found running catalyst my Radeon 4870 X2 reached temperatures up to 70 degrees C. The only way to remedy this is the splice the connectors as I did with the optical drive route or to run the fan at 100% power (through the manual fan control in the Catalyst Control Center [CCC])

So far with the power to both of my cards. I was not able to recieve a video signal at all no matter what port I plugged my monitor into. I have since dumped the rom of my X2 and reflashed it using my own frakenrom that i made using pipomolo42's fixrom.py script method, and the first time it didnt work, i think because it errored but i didnt really pay much mind to it, went back through the forums saw someone else had the same error so i tried it again and sucess!... well kinda...

Both cards ended up working simotaneously, however, with the cooked rom I made (because the x2 is two GPU's) it seems it only flashed part of the card, only the master ? or maybe the slave? GPU was flashed, 1GB ram seen, + the 1st gpu in mac os x, in windows, it was a whole nother story, I couldnt even get the card to work properly. so I tried to reflash it back to the original bios, but alas now I have nothing but a black screen yet again.... I can't even boot off into windows or dos in it anymore. sigh, I guess I got greedy per say.... back to the drawing board. I am thinking about ordering another 1Gig rdeon HD 4870 and using it with the original mac, then just switching them both out or one of them for the X2 on super intensive games, at least until someone can get the card flashed properly.:(

Pics below of the connectors settings... sorry for poor quality, I don't have a digi camera! :( the macbook pro's isight will have to suffice for now.

Yes I can close the case by pushing the cables into the square hole they are coming out of and letting the wires push up against the hard drive bays.
 

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I've seen a few setups running with gaps like that between the cards. They still run cool enough under load.

Here is one nice setup...cards are bunched.

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/MSI-Goes-All-Out-with-HD-4870-Quad-CrossFire-System-2.jpg

Still looks like they're just asking for trouble, if you ask me. :eek:

Shortened lifespans, at least, but if you have the money for four 4870s and a PSU/computer to run them, you probably have enough money not to care, as you'll be buying the newest cards the second they come out, anyway.:p

That's why I'm glad the 4870+GT 120 combo leaves the fan almost completely exposed.
 
Still looks like they're just asking for trouble, if you ask me. :eek:

Shortened lifespans, at least, but if you have the money for four 4870s and a PSU/computer to run them, you probably have enough money not to care, as you'll be buying the newest cards the second they come out, anyway.:p

That's why I'm glad the 4870+GT 120 combo leaves the fan almost completely exposed.

I do agree, it's not the best thing to be running them that close, in fact most motherboards allow for 2 spaces between the 2 cards. The airflow in the mac pro case is pretty good and the top fan should push enough air to the videocards. Oh well crossfire with dual 4870's in the mac pro doesn't leave much for custimisation. Maybe a custom cooler may help..but it would probably be worse!
 
Good work xsoniccrackersx. Thanks for sharing. ;)

I think you really made your life more complicated than necessary by trying to get an X2 working with your stock card... power consumption is really through the roof with that configuration and obviously BIOS issues as you pointed out. :(

I would hope using two APPLE 4870's would be pretty-much plug and play... I guess we are still waiting for someone to try that combo. :p
 
Following previous discussions and theory that 70W is provided from PCIe socket, further 70W from PCIe power connector on the board and whats left per each card is ~30W on second connector I decided it was time to test it in real life environment. I have 5 drives + optical in my Mac Pro, 5th drive is mounted in second optical bay and powered off second molex. Without much hesitation I put second 4870 in MP, plugged in three way molex splitter before optical drive (yes you read it right - one molex to three outs), connected secondary 6 pin to two connectors on splitter, third out to optical and secondary molex to 5th HDD. Booted to windows, enabled crossfire, put Crysis DVD in drive and with a lot of noise, whizzing and whooshing dived into game.

Two and a half hours later of Crysis, half and hour of COD WAW and several random Vantage benchmarks later, gentlemen, I am happy to report the theory was correct, the two cards work, the peak usage in this session was total of 532W, no molex cables become hot and there are no stability issues beyond simple rule of not overclocking any of the two cards beyond spec sheet speeds.

I also made it into neat solution and threaded the splitter though to main compartment, so no cables are being squashed by side panel locks in my box.

So, for 08 Mac Pro - two 4870s, at stock speeds, each powered primary from motherboard, secondary from drive bay - it works, it works well and it works with maximum load - 5 drives with spin down disabled in power options and DVD spinning game disk like nutter.

If I was to be picky - because of the dual slot design the cards don't have much space to breathe, especially card no1. I might try and grab one of the scythe aftermarket coolers just to see if it gives the card more space at some later stage.
 
Honestly I wouldn't worry about the cards being that close. SLI and Triple SLI setups have them right next to each other common enough. My two 285gtx's on my EVGA x58 board are literally within a mm of each other and many have three of them (or other cards ) right next to each other like that. The spacing on the x16 slots force this and the size of the cards make them barely able to fit in next to each other.

Unless you run in a hot ambient temp room or dont have much airflow going across them , there's not much to worry about. You could just use SMC fan control and crank the back/front fans on the Mac Pro a bit more to have a bit more airflow across them if you'd prefer.
 
Following previous discussions and theory that 70W is provided from PCIe socket, further 70W from PCIe power connector on the board and whats left per each card is ~30W on second connector I decided it was time to test it in real life environment. I have 5 drives + optical in my Mac Pro, 5th drive is mounted in second optical bay and powered off second molex. Without much hesitation I put second 4870 in MP, plugged in three way molex splitter before optical drive (yes you read it right - one molex to three outs), connected secondary 6 pin to two connectors on splitter, third out to optical and secondary molex to 5th HDD. Booted to windows, enabled crossfire, put Crysis DVD in drive and with a lot of noise, whizzing and whooshing dived into game.

Two and a half hours later of Crysis, half and hour of COD WAW and several random Vantage benchmarks later, gentlemen, I am happy to report the theory was correct, the two cards work, the peak usage in this session was total of 532W, no molex cables become hot and there are no stability issues beyond simple rule of not overclocking any of the two cards beyond spec sheet speeds.

I also made it into neat solution and threaded the splitter though to main compartment, so no cables are being squashed by side panel locks in my box.

So, for 08 Mac Pro - two 4870s, at stock speeds, each powered primary from motherboard, secondary from drive bay - it works, it works well and it works with maximum load - 5 drives with spin down disabled in power options and DVD spinning game disk like nutter.

If I was to be picky - because of the dual slot design the cards don't have much space to breathe, especially card no1. I might try and grab one of the scythe aftermarket coolers just to see if it gives the card more space at some later stage.

Rock on!!! ;)

What flavors of 4870's are you using? Apple versions or flashed cards from other manufacturers? Give us a bit more detail on how you got your cards setup. :D
 
Two and a half hours later of Crysis, half and hour of COD WAW and several random Vantage benchmarks later, gentlemen, I am happy to report the theory was correct, the two cards work, the peak usage in this session was total of 532W, no molex cables become hot and there are no stability issues beyond simple rule of not overclocking any of the two cards beyond spec sheet speeds.

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What settings (details,resolution,AA?) did u use in crysis? How many FPS? I am just so totally wondering ! =)
thanks !
 
Updates

Hi all.

I'm back with news of success!

Just got my 1 Gig XFX XXX Radeon HD 4870, Hooked it in, backed it up, flashed and it worked! + I am getting 5.0 GT/s !!!! Crossfiring 2 cards now, and I reworked my set up, I am now powering the cards from the last hard drive port. I've been playing F.E.A.R 2: Project Origin, Fallout 3 and Mirror's Edge, all max settings, no hiccups at all in crossfire. This is great for me, at least because now I have my blue ray drives power back. Everything has been satisfied power wise. I will run benchmarking after i finish my homework and post back :p

So confirmed, Dual 4870s in a 09 Mac Pro is Possible.

More great news! I managed to flash my Sapphire Radeon 4870 X2 Properly. I figured out how to add the efi to both the master and slave portions of the bios and flash it to the card! This is all great news for a gamer such as myself ! With all the school work and tests and finals coming up however, I will need to put a lot of this on hold and get that done (I've been goofing and messing around with this way to much).

Here is pictures below of my Stock Radeon and Flashed Radeon set up revised. I borrowed a friends digital cam this time ;) also below are pics of the cards in OS X.

Set Up Pics (OLD): http://www.flickr.com/photos/20945013@N06/sets/72157616492420304/
Set Up Pics (Revised): http://www.flickr.com/photos/20945013@N06/sets/72157616493167174/

I will update this steadily as time passes. Do not worry, feel free to ask any questions you may have. Once I finish testing and work out the kinks I will post my home cooked X2 roms and instructions how to flash it properly.
 

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Excellent work! Give us details!

How are you getting the 5.0 GT/s? Nobody's managed that in the other thread with flashed cards yet - did you follow the same process they developed, or did you do it your own way? I also imagine that everybody's going to want to know how you flashed the 4870x2 properly. Finally, when you do get around to benchmarking, could you compare (singly) performance of the 4870x2 to a regular 4870?
 
Can you confirm that the XFX 1 Gig card does the 5.0GTs when it is ALONE in the machine?

I am going to guess that the last screen shot is the X2. It looks alot like when I got the 9800GX2 going using Netkas trick...it appeared as 2 separate 9800 cards...but didn't know what the bridge chip was connecting them.

For a simple, quick way to gauge performance, try GlView.

http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/

It should show a small difference between Mac OEM 4870 and flashed XFX one as the XFX uses higher clocks. It will also either show the X2 as being same as regular 4870, or faster if somehow it magically works as "Crossfire"

You can use the Windows version in Bootcamp and compare performance there too.
 
Nice work dude!

Definitely looking forward to more insights!

How does Windows and/or games handle an X2 and a 4870 at the same time? Does it scale to approx. 3x a 4870 or does it ignore one of the cards?

Cheers! :)
 
Can you please post the details to flashing a 1GB card, what model you used, what rom, etc etc.... and does it work alone in the mac pro?
 
Hi all.

I'm back with news of success!

Just got my 1 Gig XFX XXX Radeon HD 4870, Hooked it in, backed it up, flashed and it worked! + I am getting 5.0 GT/s !!!! Crossfiring 2 cards now, and I reworked my set up, I am now powering the cards from the last hard drive port. I've been playing F.E.A.R 2: Project Origin, Fallout 3 and Mirror's Edge, all max settings, no hiccups at all in crossfire. This is great for me, at least because now I have my blue ray drives power back. Everything has been satisfied power wise. I will run benchmarking after i finish my homework and post back :p

So confirmed, Dual 4870s in a 09 Mac Pro is Possible.

More great news! I managed to flash my Sapphire Radeon 4870 X2 Properly. I figured out how to add the efi to both the master and slave portions of the bios and flash it to the card! This is all great news for a gamer such as myself ! With all the school work and tests and finals coming up however, I will need to put a lot of this on hold and get that done (I've been goofing and messing around with this way to much).

I will update this steadily as time passes. Do not worry, feel free to ask any questions you may have. Once I finish testing and work out the kinks I will post my home cooked X2 roms and instructions how to flash it properly.

This is fantastic news. As far as I know, so far, you are the only one who has managed to get 5.0 GT/s. I can't wait to see your instructions! Thanks!
 
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