Sad Realisation:: MBP design now looks old.

[DoFoT9]

1. You laugh like an ignorant, pardon me. I tell you why you laugh about others brand than Apple, and i tell you why you say that these speakers are worse than a MacBook pro- because you don't know.

If you see the technical stuff they don't at Apple...
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html
"Audio

* Built-in stereo speakers
"

http://explore.toshiba.com/laptops/qosmio/F50

"Built-in harman/kardon® Speakers with Subwoofer"

harman kardon?! from the high-fidelity audio industry (also.. the makers of the soundsticks for mac too.


2. i want to leave more one word on aesthetics here. Cutting aluminum like a box shape (powerbooks/macbooks pro) is cheaper than shapping other notebook outthere. Do you realize how many curves and sculps have the pcs portables now? You're paying more at Apple for a "cheap" design that you ridiculous call it minimalist, state-of-art design, when the true propose is to mislead the consumer to pay more for less.

1. i probably do, you are pardoned . yes its true, i have no friggen idea. that was mybad. i was judging by the unacceptable design of the computer. that this is quite ugly, massively large, and even more square than the MBP (im guessing its main features are more on the insides).

2. i dont think that being the most confusing design is always the best, its normally the most simplistic, isnt it??

My bet is that they think that others computers can't be equally elegant without compromise consumer satisfaction.

Sorry guys about design, but a Macbook is a rounded rectangle, you can even draw it with your hand. So, if the box looks pretty then take that award to the industry that melts, do the cutting and polish the aluminum, cause they do a good job.

seems pretty easy to make haha..just cut this square with rounded edges

I Cant wait for the MBP to get a More Rounded look, which is the way the whole Apple Line is going.

But no way does the current design look bad! Its Timeless, you pull it out and people KNOW, because its been around so long, they just know.

Thats the power of people who dont care know its apple.

no of course it doesnt look bad!! its friggen awsome!!
judging by the latest rumors im guessing it wont be rounded, which is kind of a shame. but ahwell i guess sqaure it is (Y)

 

[Firefly2002]

hey all,

so about a month ago I came to a sad sad realisation.. the MBP's now look square, 'uncool' and just plain old! the design has been used by apple pretty much since the powerbooks, and its starting to show its age. i loved it when it came out, even when the MBP's came out! but these days, i just dont know... they need a pretty big upgrade...

whats everyone elses opinion on this??

Uh.... since the PowerBook G4s, not the original PowerBooks introduced in the mid 90s..... *rolls eyes*

It looks fine.

 

[Vulcan]

I use a MBP and a PowerBook G4 just about daily, and rarely notice a difference in looks aside from the obvious (iSight, Trackpad). I really hope though, if Apple is going to change the notebook designs (The 5 year old MBP design and 2.5 MB one), that they don't do it simply for the sake of change, and actually do it to create another design that they can go off of for the many years to come.

Making them all look like MacBook Air's is a terrible idea. Every notebook in the Mac series looks completely different, and I'd hate for Apple to lose that. The iBook to MacBook transition was a wonderful change, now MacBooks aren't as durable, but the looks on the MacBook are much improved. PowerBook to Pro, the design was wonderful then, and not much has changed now.

 

[QCassidy352]

show me a notebook that looks better (I'll give you the MBA, but that's it). (None of the PCs quoted yet in this thread do much of anything for me.)

 

[DoFoT9]

Uh.... since the PowerBook G4s, not the original PowerBooks introduced in the mid 90s..... *rolls eyes*

It looks fine.

i may not have said it, but i was referencing to the G4's. i have a PB150 sitting here somewhere

show me a notebook that looks better (I'll give you the MBA, but that's it). (None of the PCs quoted yet in this thread do much of anything for me.)

this question has been said many a time, if you took the time to read. i wasnt comparing the MBP to other PC's on the market, i was comparing it to its 'timeframe'. square isnt in anymore.

 

[veeco3110]

Realization

 

[ra noodle]

a456

i too still have my working PB12....and i think it was a big mistake for Apple not to have kept this going in its MBP line....i am totally satisfied with how the MBP looks and can't understand the "it's not kool anymore" and those who want a new design -because "its old"--does THAT really matter so much to this crowd??? this is rather a airheaded comprehension of the MBP.....but i would be interested in the MBP line being able to switch RAM and HD's like the MB- that is a logic i still can't understand from Apple! being where i am the only store that has Apple products is the Old Orchard store, since CompUSA closed it seems OfficeMax and OfficeDepot (more like officedump) have uppped their prices and narrowed what they sell forcing you to buy what they have or nothing.......

 

[Abstract]

How would you explain countless design awards Apple is getting for its products? I presume, all these professional juries have also been mislead by Apple?

Countless design awards? What are you talking about?


Provide links. Countless links.

 

[dannomac]

Realization

Realisation is a proper English spelling, outside the USA it's a pretty even split between "ise" endings and "ize" endings.

 

[MowingDevil]

i too still have my working PB12....and i think it was a big mistake for Apple not to have kept this going in its MBP line....i am totally satisfied with how the MBP looks and can't understand the "it's not kool anymore" and those who want a new design -because "its old"--does THAT really matter so much to this crowd??? this is rather a airheaded comprehension of the MBP.....but i would be interested in the MBP line being able to switch RAM and HD's like the MB- that is a logic i still can't understand from Apple! being where i am the only store that has Apple products is the Old Orchard store, since CompUSA closed it seems OfficeMax and OfficeDepot (more like officedump) have uppped their prices and narrowed what they sell forcing you to buy what they have or nothing.......

I would like that to be true...but I'm afraid the reality is a large percentage of MBP owners are show-offs who like to have the latest cool "in" gadget. It should be more about the performance than it really is. I bet you the majority of MacPro owners care more about performance over design than the "desktop replacement" owners do. That said, I think almost EVERY Mac user cares about the design somewhat (and more than the average PC user) but its not necessarily the main selling feature in the Pro line (or it shouldn't be anyways). Truth is alot of MBPs aren't utilized to their maximum capabilities.

 

[timsutcliffe]

I disagree. I think we all know the design is old, but if you've not been used to seeing them, then you'd be surprised to find that it's a 5? year old design. I look at mine now and think it looks great.

When/if the new one comes out, i don't think it'll be changed dramatically. Apart from a few things like the latch and the plastic around the edges, i'm not sure what you could do to improve the design of it.

 

[TheReef]

People still ooh and aar at my 12" PowerBook and comment on how small it is.

It's funny how in all this time the PC industry still hasn't caught up, take a look at your standard Toshiba and the ugly combination of blacks, slivers and protruding geometry.

We see the Macbook Pro design as outdated because it's been around for so long, but if we had say the Titanium design until now, a newly released ALU Macbook Pro (with the current design) would probably look very very modern and state of the art as the above poster says.

Still, I've seem it for so long and want something new

 

[Jiten]

I would like that to be true...but I'm afraid the reality is a large percentage of MBP owners are show-offs who like to have the latest cool "in" gadget. It should be more about the performance than it really is. I bet you the majority of MacPro owners care more about performance over design than the "desktop replacement" owners do. That said, I think almost EVERY Mac user cares about the design somewhat (and more than the average PC user) but its not necessarily the main selling feature in the Pro line (or it shouldn't be anyways). Truth is alot of MBPs aren't utilized to their maximum capabilities.

This - well said. I do have friends and acquaintances who fall into the gadget buying trap. Not all of them necessarily Mac users though. I know a colleague who would go into painful credit card debt just to finance the purchasing of Apple gear (and expensive software) for his Photography busine...er...I mean hobby. He would consistently buy a new Mac (and sell the old one) for every update.
.
He has been doing this for almost 10 years now and has to yet show a portfolio

 

[sash]

Countless design awards? What are you talking about? Provide links. Countless links.

Hi,
you sure you live on planet Earth? And have you really never heard about design awards for Apple's products? Google it, you'll get your countless links.

Here're few links (I shouldn't do that, but ok):
http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/03/08/apple.wins.8.if.awards/
http://creativity-online.com/?action=news:article&newsId=127014&sectionId=the_creativity_awards
http://www.dandad.org/awards08/category.asp?category_no=32
http://www.creativereview.co.uk/crblog/apple-wins-design-award-but-not-for-the-usual-reasons/
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/05/17/apples.ive.wins.award/
http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?rss&newsid=21354
http://mac.blorge.com/2008/07/21/id...acbook-air-wireless-keyboard-imac-and-iphone/
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/15175/
http://www.idsa.org/IDEA_Awards/gallery/2008/award_winners.asp?Categories_ID=2

 

[pdxflint]

Hi,
you sure you live on planet Earth? And have you really never heard about design awards for Apple's products? Google it, you'll get your countless links.

Here're few links (I shouldn't do that, but ok):
http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/03/08/apple.wins.8.if.awards/
http://creativity-online.com/?action=news:article&newsId=127014&sectionId=the_creativity_awards
http://www.dandad.org/awards08/category.asp?category_no=32
http://www.creativereview.co.uk/crblog/apple-wins-design-award-but-not-for-the-usual-reasons/
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/05/17/apples.ive.wins.award/
http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?rss&newsid=21354
http://mac.blorge.com/2008/07/21/id...acbook-air-wireless-keyboard-imac-and-iphone/
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/15175/
http://www.idsa.org/IDEA_Awards/gallery/2008/award_winners.asp?Categories_ID=2

I was waiting for someone to come up with this. I wasn't going to waste my time, but thanks for at least pointing him in the right direction... if it helps.

 

[sash]

Countless design awards? What are you talking about? Provide links. Countless links.

And by the way:

countless
adjective
innumerable, numerous, untold, a legion of, without number, numberless, unnumbered, limitless, multitudinous, incalculable; informal umpteen, no end of, a slew of, loads of, stacks of, heaps of, masses of, oodles of, zillions of, gazillions of; literary myriad. antonym few.

 

[MowingDevil]

This - well said. I do have friends and acquaintances who fall into the gadget buying trap. Not all of them necessarily Mac users though. I know a colleague who would go into painful credit card debt just to finance the purchasing of Apple gear (and expensive software) for his Photography busine...er...I mean hobby. He would consistently buy a new Mac (and sell the old one) for every update.
.
He has been doing this for almost 10 years now and has to yet show a portfolio

Exactly. I have a friend just like that although its music instead. Constantly buying new gear, computer is (too slow), new software, new guitar pedals, new audio plug-ins etc etc. His debut CD that he's working on is now going on about 15 years now w/ no product (and no its not Axl Rose & Chinese Democracy).

I know of another guy who bought an entire studio worth of equipment and never plugged any of it in (might still all be in the boxes). Thing is, he's literally a genius and an amazing pianist...can play anything, yet he'll never get it together and no one will ever hear of him. He traveled from Vancouver to Memphis to purchase a vintage microphone that Elvis used because he had to have it for his project. He doesn't have a brand new MacBook Pro but he might as well.

 

[sash]

Countless design awards? What are you talking about?

Apple took two of the creative industry’s most prized awards for its iPhone and iMac, the top-tier Black Pencil awards from D&AD.

The win was announced at a ceremony held in London last night. What’s particularly special about these awards - known as the ‘Oscar’s’ of the creative industry - is that Black Pencil’s are only awarded when a product meets extremely stringent criteris. At six previous annual ceremonies, no Black Pencil’s have been granted at all, most recently in 2003.

"One of the things that makes D&AD credible is they won't give an award if the work isn't good enough," said Jonathan Ive, the chief designer at Apple, speaking to MediaGuardian.co.uk. "It is not about what is best that year, it is about an absolute standard".

Apple has won a total of six Black Pencils since 1999, making the company the most successful firm across the D&AD Award’s 45-year history. Apple has also won innumerable Yellow Pencils (also highy-prized, but more freely granted).

http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?rss&newsid=21354

 

[rekhyt]

I think a cool new design would be cool and new...

But I still love my MBP just how it is ... and it still makes people go 'wow'

I have to agree.

 

[Abstract]

Apple took two of the creative industry’s most prized awards for its iPhone and iMac, the top-tier Black Pencil awards from D&AD.

Since the original "minimalist crap" comment referred to MacBook Pro design, I thought you were talking about MacBook Pro design awards specifically. I couldn't remember a single award for just that.

As far as I could remember off the top of my head, Apple has received around 4-5 major awards over the past 4 years, although 1 or 2 was a general "genius" award for Jon Ives, one from London's Design Museum (a rather important one for a Brit, really) for his work over the past 15 years or so, and another for more recent, well-recognized work.

Some of your links are doubles, so it appears that yes, it's around 2-3 awards over the years for a particular product itself. I won't really count the one from T3, because....well.....it's T3. Another award was given to Apple for having the most entries.

And by the way:

countless
adjective
innumerable, numerous, untold, a legion of, without number, numberless, unnumbered, limitless, multitudinous, incalculable; informal umpteen, no end of, a slew of, loads of, stacks of, heaps of, masses of, oodles of, zillions of, gazillions of; literary myriad. antonym few.

Funny, you said countless awards. I just asked for countless links in reply.

 

[sash]

Since the original "minimalist crap" comment referred to MacBook Pro design, I thought you were talking about MacBook Pro design awards specifically.

Which 'minimalist crap'? You're quoting me in your post, so you've read that I was speaking about "design awards Apple is getting for its products".

Some of your links are doubles, so it appears that yes, it's around 2-3 awards over the years for a particular product itself.

About links -- possibly, haven't checked (sorry -- time, I haven't been posting even these links, because the matter's more than clear and obvious).

About awards -- you're not quite accurate, Apple has got six Black Pencils only from D&AD (read my previous post). 6 is more than 2-3. And that's only from one institution.

But once again, we are speaking about personal taste here, which is rather pointless, everybody has its own preferences etc. I like Apple's design, that's my personal choice. If you don't like it, buy something else, there are plenty of dells and toshiba's to choose from. Will new MB(P) be different? Most probably. Will it appear more modern? No doubt. Will this design update make the current one ugly? No.

I still have my first PM G4. It still looks great, at least for me.

Cheers,
sash

 

[sash]

Funny, you said countless awards. I just asked for countless links in reply.

Abstract, there is such thing as trope. You should know what it is. No offence by the way.

sash

 

[Abstract]

Which 'minimalist crap'? You're quoting me in your post, so you've read that I was speaking about "design awards Apple is getting for its products".

Lets try following along with the posts:


Masquerade said the design just looked like one piece (cut horizontally through the middle, I assume), and said it's easier than creating a shape. Said something about the MBPs design being minimalist crap.

You replied to him directly, telling him that Apple has won countless design awards, which I had assumed to mean for the MBP since that was the topic of conversation.

I replied by asking you to provide links to these countless awards (again, assuming we were still talking about the MBP).

I got links for all things Apple (iMac, Jon Ives, MBA, iPhone....)

etc etc...


You're right about Apple's awards, but if you're going to go off-topic, we may as well start talking about all the awards that Apple has won for its packaging, because they've won at least 6 packaging awards that I can think of, even for the iPod Shuffle.

 

[sash]

Lets try following along with the posts:

OK, here is his point I was replying to:

'You're paying more at Apple for a "cheap" design that you ridiculous call it minimalist, state-of-art design, when the true propose is to mislead the consumer to pay more for less.'​

I don't think it's minimalist and I never said that. But I did ask him about the reason of professional design awards (if Apple's design is that bad).

You replied to him directly, telling him that Apple has won countless design awards, which I had assumed to mean for the MBP since that was the topic of conversation.

As he mentioned Apple's design as such, I replied accordingly.

I got links for all things Apple (iMac, Jon Ives, MBA, iPhone....)

Absolutely. As you see (and as you saw while replying), I was speaking about Apple's products.

Abstract, we both know that Apple is a trend-setter in its industry (design-wise). Why arguing about something that obvious?

sash

 

[akm3]

"Sad Realisation:: MBP design now looks old."

..."Canel or Allow?"

..."allow..."