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Safari 1.2 Released
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IndyGopher
macrumors 6502a
You're exactly right! And it should be about $10 a month! Oh wait.. that's $120 year.. which is when they seem to update the OS..
Do yourself a huge favour and upgrade to Panther. It is worth it, man.
It is not simply another "flavour" of OSX - it is the next step in its evolution.
Exposé is the most incredible thing. I use it all the time.
- Hoky
This didn't work for me. I still get the same error and the preferences panel shows PithHelmet as disabled. I re-opened the info.plist and the MaxSafariBundleVersion is still changed to 125.
Anyone have any ideas?
--Jeff
geerlingguy
macrumors 6502a
Explorer for Mac... I haven't used it since Safari came out (the day it was here, I d/l'ed it!), so I don't know if this feature is still existant, but it was back then. 😎
johnnyjibbs
macrumors 68030
But Panther came out at the end of October!
EDIT: oh you must have been a developer with access to the pre-release builds?
What? IE6.0SP1 runs on ME, 98 and NT4.0 ALL of the OS's are MUCH older than 10.2.x
I am not comparing the browers (obvisouly, IE is much worse than Safari 🙂) but, the argument that MS doesnt play any 'nicer' (in this sense) just doesnt hold water. It seems fairly ridiculuous that APPLES software does not run on an OS as new as 10.2 (which was "top of the line" < 4 months ago). Why would they expect other companies to write software for the Mac when they won't?
The web browser is NOT part of the OS (no matter how much MS says it is). I completly understand no more features added to 10.2.x but developing software as standard as a browser for 10.2.x is a must. I am a recent switcher, and expected MUCH more from Apple... was I wrong to expect Apple to value thier customers?
Sorry if this comes across harsh, I just am amazed at the lack of support for an OS as recent as 10.2.x
If memory serves, the khtml rendering engine was built into 10.3 so Safari 1.1+ is no longer a stand-alone browser app that could be tweaked to run on OSX pre-10.3. It requires 10.3 for the rendering engine (poss called "webpack"?)
TMA
macrumors 6502a
Could Apple not release a KHTML Kit for Mac OS 10.2? Something we could just download and install seperately.
I agree with others on this thread: 10.2 seems to have become unsupported far too quickly. I think some companies have a small obligation to support still recent Software where possible. It seems to me Apple is getting increasingly sneaky in 'encouraging' people to update.
Okay, here's the scoop. When you compile anything using Apple's developer tools, you specify the minimum OS supported (in two places: the SDK you use to compile and the library versions you link to). It is therefore HIGHLY unlikely that Apple will release software that works just fine on Jaguar but is marked as Panther-only; if it's Panther-only then it will have been built against the 10.3 SDK and linked to the 10.3 libraries.
What problems can happen running a 10.3 app on 10.2? They can be subtle (stability issues, some features not working) or major (app crashes on load; dylib errors to the console).
One particularly important hitch here is that the "libCrypto" library, used by any app which supports SSL, like, you know, a web browser, has changed between 10.2 and 10.3 and so if you're linking to the 10.3 libraries then you'll get a dylib error when your app is loaded in 10.2.
Re: tabs
The "middle button" (which is your scroll wheel if you have a scroll-wheel mouse) works, as does Command+click.
[Edit: Command-click for in new tab, not option-click ... you can tell I use the scroll wheel instead, huh? 🙂 ]
The "middle button" (which is your scroll wheel if you have a scroll-wheel mouse) works, as does Command+click.
[Edit: Command-click for in new tab, not option-click ... you can tell I use the scroll wheel instead, huh? 🙂 ]
hulugu
macrumors 68000
Now...
...just wait. Remember the earlier Security Update when everyone freaked out because they assumed Apple wasn't going to release a fix for Jaguar. And then they did.
Apple does cater to its flavor-of-the-year OS first, but it has in many instances updated the older versions. I'm not guaranteeing they will here, but since it involves updating webpack it may take more time for Jaguar.
For those who are still using Jaguar, Panther's better and worth the 120. Furthermore, I'd rather have the choice to update than have a constant monthly bill for my OS. I don't mind paying 120 every 18 months or so if the OS includes new applications, utilities, and stability in a neat package.
For my 120, I received File Vault, Expose, iChat AV, labels, etc. Plus a new finder, etc. And Panther made my old 233 iMac work faster than it had under Jaguar. I actually use it now.
...just wait. Remember the earlier Security Update when everyone freaked out because they assumed Apple wasn't going to release a fix for Jaguar. And then they did.
Apple does cater to its flavor-of-the-year OS first, but it has in many instances updated the older versions. I'm not guaranteeing they will here, but since it involves updating webpack it may take more time for Jaguar.
For those who are still using Jaguar, Panther's better and worth the 120. Furthermore, I'd rather have the choice to update than have a constant monthly bill for my OS. I don't mind paying 120 every 18 months or so if the OS includes new applications, utilities, and stability in a neat package.
For my 120, I received File Vault, Expose, iChat AV, labels, etc. Plus a new finder, etc. And Panther made my old 233 iMac work faster than it had under Jaguar. I actually use it now.
tabbing thru forms
Why is it that you still can't tab to a drop down menu? Does anyone care about tabbing to a link? I just want to tab thru a form without having to use the mouse for the dropdown menus. I really thought that would be addressed in this build.
On another note the caching problems seem to have been fixed, and for those of you who didn't come across it often, Safari could not refresh a page inside a frame and what pain that was for me, with our backend systems all in multiple framed pages.
So far it is faster and many bugs are fixed. I did think I read that tabbing thru a form was supposed to be working like it does in IE.
Oh well... I am still very happy happy with this update.
Why is it that you still can't tab to a drop down menu? Does anyone care about tabbing to a link? I just want to tab thru a form without having to use the mouse for the dropdown menus. I really thought that would be addressed in this build.
On another note the caching problems seem to have been fixed, and for those of you who didn't come across it often, Safari could not refresh a page inside a frame and what pain that was for me, with our backend systems all in multiple framed pages.
So far it is faster and many bugs are fixed. I did think I read that tabbing thru a form was supposed to be working like it does in IE.
Oh well... I am still very happy happy with this update.
celaurie
macrumors 6502a
Most of my problems with Halifax - Bank of Scotland (H-BOS) were to do with Java submissions and Safari's inability to cope with style sheets.
All that's fixed now and I can happily check how much money I don't have... Um, can I have my old Safari back!?
Re: Re: tabs
I use the middle button for exposé.
Apple's solution to my problem: In prefs, let me specify wether "open in new browser" or "open in new tab" is to be at the top.
I use the middle button for exposé.
Apple's solution to my problem: In prefs, let me specify wether "open in new browser" or "open in new tab" is to be at the top.
wow...
I have my 700MHz G3 OSX 10.3 iBook side by side with my Pentium 4 1.8GHz IBM T30 Thinkpad. The iBook with Safari is beating out IE 6.x (latest) on my Pentium4 PC Laptop.
Pretty amazing.. I can't wait to try it out on my Dual 1GHz box.
I have my 700MHz G3 OSX 10.3 iBook side by side with my Pentium 4 1.8GHz IBM T30 Thinkpad. The iBook with Safari is beating out IE 6.x (latest) on my Pentium4 PC Laptop.
Pretty amazing.. I can't wait to try it out on my Dual 1GHz box.
I cant believe the number of people that seem to have regular problems everytime a new update appears.
I have NEVER had ONE SINGLE issue on my Dual 1.8 - not one. Everything has always simply worked and worked fast.
the new Java and the new Safari appear to be continuing this tradition.
Whats with you poeple that have problems, update after update? I could name 2 names I've noticed have have at least one issue with every single update Apple has released since I've owned this machine, but that would lead to kaos. I've noticed, though. Some of you ( and you know who you are ) need to find a better way to get attention.
I have NEVER had ONE SINGLE issue on my Dual 1.8 - not one. Everything has always simply worked and worked fast.
the new Java and the new Safari appear to be continuing this tradition.
Whats with you poeple that have problems, update after update? I could name 2 names I've noticed have have at least one issue with every single update Apple has released since I've owned this machine, but that would lead to kaos. I've noticed, though. Some of you ( and you know who you are ) need to find a better way to get attention.
downloading
Option click on the time remaining when downloading and it will show you the k per second like it used to.
Option click on the time remaining when downloading and it will show you the k per second like it used to.
Import/Export bookmarks
I still think it's weird that importing or exporting Bookmarks still has to happen via a "Debug" menu. These are common enough needs, without having to pretend to be a developer what's wrong with including this in the File menu, like every other app in town?
I still think it's weird that importing or exporting Bookmarks still has to happen via a "Debug" menu. These are common enough needs, without having to pretend to be a developer what's wrong with including this in the File menu, like every other app in town?