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Safari 1.2 Released
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I was just reading through the release notes of Omniweb 5.0b1 and they may be of interest to you
http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/5/releasenotes/
"OmniWeb 5.0 includes our customized versions of WebCore v85 and JavaScriptCore v85. We will be merging with the latest version of these frameworks from Apple in a future version of OmniWeb to be released after 5.0 final. "
So the khtml engine will be available for 10.2 users, just not from Apple.
On a side note Camino development is showing new signs of life and Firebird is quite nice (lets you select add search engines to the "google box" so you could add google.co.uk) so Mac browsers are looking good !
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ERRRR....
I use Safari for everything except for one little detail, which I have to use Internet Explorer to do. I don't know why it does this but it's SO annoying.
You download a Dreamweaver template off of a website and it changes the extension to .html instead of leaving it as .dwt. I hate that SO much.
Other than that, works great.
I wonder why the refresh button is facing the right now?
I think the icon in the refresh button should be rotated 45 degrees counter-clockwise from where it is now. That way the focal point on the arrow looks like it starts in the center on the top, goes around, and ends up in the same spot. That would represent refreshing a little better.
Now it sort of implies that it will refresh and go forward somehow.
-ko
I use Safari for everything except for one little detail, which I have to use Internet Explorer to do. I don't know why it does this but it's SO annoying.
You download a Dreamweaver template off of a website and it changes the extension to .html instead of leaving it as .dwt. I hate that SO much.
Other than that, works great.
I wonder why the refresh button is facing the right now?
I think the icon in the refresh button should be rotated 45 degrees counter-clockwise from where it is now. That way the focal point on the arrow looks like it starts in the center on the top, goes around, and ends up in the same spot. That would represent refreshing a little better.
Now it sort of implies that it will refresh and go forward somehow.
-ko
Ooh, yeah, I always forget to complain about that. 🙂 It really would be nice on forums, when you're editing and you accidentally select that extra line and--dammit--lost that brilliant insight. I'm not sure whether/to what extent other browsers support this, although I do recall possibly using it in OmniWeb (probably 4.2, before I switched to Safari the day it came out). I'll be giving their new version 5 a pretty close look...
FWIW (not much)
WM
What horse-crap!
For the LOVE OF GOD you can't tab over pulldown menus!!!!!!! WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR APPLE TO FIX!!!!!
ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.
For the LOVE OF GOD you can't tab over pulldown menus!!!!!!! WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR APPLE TO FIX!!!!!
ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.
Between version 10.2 and 10.3 GCC went from 3.1 to 3.3. The ABI was updated from 3.1 to 3.3, thus applications need to be targeted for the right ABI. Apple has chosen to simplify their development efforts in order to produce updates faster and with the latest 10.3 features without having to also create a 10.2 binary and test it there, limiting functionality to just what was common between .2 and .3.
So buying Panther is really worth the expense because it means that you can enjoy all the free upgrades that come out during the rest of the year. Apple can innovate a lot faster this way and we all get our panther monies worth that way. Ask yourself when was the last time IE was updated?
WOW, someone needs to get of their high pedestal. Dude, not everyone has a "perfect" system like you claim. When Safari was first announced and released for alpha/beta testing among the public, I downloaded it and it damn near rendered my machine useless. I spent 2 days trying to find a solution to the problem when all I had to do was recreate the /tmp/ -> /private/tmp/ link that was deleted. Other than that, during the 2 years I've owned this 733 Quicksilver, I havent had any major problems. Millions of Mac users install different kinds of software that install files in all sorts of places; you cant expect everyone to have a clean system. You should be the last one to talk. Dont be suprised if tomorrow your system goes haywire, and you have to "get attention".
Let's stop the bickering for a second and get to the best feature that Safari has: marquee support! W00t!
http://www.phas.ucalgary.ca/physlets/systems.htm <--- Is this an example of the Javascript-Java App/let integration? See the "Show Field vectors" button in source.
Still can't use safari for MS exchange servers. I'd like to use safari to access my school's webmail, but I'm stuck with IE instead. However, ign.com seems to load properly now.
Tabbing to drop-down menus
A couple of earlier posters are only partially incorrect about the tabbing to drop-down menus feature. While you can tab to a drop down menu, and you can then use the arrow keys to navigate it, you *cannot* type a letter on the keyboard to select the first menu item that begins with that letter. What's the point without this ability? This is such an easy feature to implement; most other browsers on any platform have had it for years, including IE, Mozilla, etc. It has been such a pain since I started to use Safari to have to use the mouse every time I select my state.....come on Apple, what were you thinking? It's the "little" things that make Macs great.
A couple of earlier posters are only partially incorrect about the tabbing to drop-down menus feature. While you can tab to a drop down menu, and you can then use the arrow keys to navigate it, you *cannot* type a letter on the keyboard to select the first menu item that begins with that letter. What's the point without this ability? This is such an easy feature to implement; most other browsers on any platform have had it for years, including IE, Mozilla, etc. It has been such a pain since I started to use Safari to have to use the mouse every time I select my state.....come on Apple, what were you thinking? It's the "little" things that make Macs great.
Apple does support it for security issues and serious bugs but if you want to get new features of the individual bundled Apps, what Apple is saying to you is that we will charge you a fee. This is completely reasonable considering how many updates Apple does to their Apps during the 14 month life. The alternative is that Apple charge twice as much for each OS release and support App updates for two years. No one seems to comment on the cost of XP Pro (MSFT's competing product): it's not 129 but 199 for the Upgrade and 299 for a new license. I prefer Apple's approach of a straight price and no complexity, but more frequent OS updates.
Alternatively you can force yourself to go to a 2 revision cycle which would mean 28 months between updates, the the next one in the January/February 2005 period.
No Jaguar . . . sucks!!!
Apple needs to grow up. Even M$ allows users of older OSes to use the latest IE.
And don't tell me to get Panther, when you have 35 machines to upgrade in an office environment you can't just update at the drop of a hat. Namely there are still no Jaguar drivers for our high speed industrial printers.
Apple needs to grow up. Even M$ allows users of older OSes to use the latest IE.
And don't tell me to get Panther, when you have 35 machines to upgrade in an office environment you can't just update at the drop of a hat. Namely there are still no Jaguar drivers for our high speed industrial printers.
Re: No Jaguar . . . sucks!!!
Well, actually, IE 7 will only work with Longhorn. While IE 6 and below have been for all OS's (although when IE 6.0 was released there was talk about it being XP-only, then MS reversed and released it for all OS's), that's not the case for future revisions.
Besides which, when was the last update to IE anyways? When was the last time Microsoft put out three substantial revisions of IE in less than a year?
Well, actually, IE 7 will only work with Longhorn. While IE 6 and below have been for all OS's (although when IE 6.0 was released there was talk about it being XP-only, then MS reversed and released it for all OS's), that's not the case for future revisions.
Besides which, when was the last update to IE anyways? When was the last time Microsoft put out three substantial revisions of IE in less than a year?
Re: No Jaguar . . . sucks!!!
Apple does have a subscription up to date program for businesses and schools.
Apple does have a subscription up to date program for businesses and schools.
There the same people who install the same extenders and fail to uninstall them before applying an update every-time.
it's one of the reasons why I got rid of konfabulator, with it on OS X would go into a endless wheel once every couple of days. Once I stopped using it, OS X just stays up all the time.
Tabbing into drop downs works great - try before posting
Tabbing into drop down menus works wonderfully. Please try it before posting how stupid Apple is -
Goto www.amazon.com
[tab] - brings you to their "sections" drop down
[space] - drops the menu down
try [e], [v]
WATCH it go first to "electronics", then "everything"
Very slick, deals with unordered lists appropriately.
I'm happy. Thanks Apple (finally).
Tabbing into drop down menus works wonderfully. Please try it before posting how stupid Apple is -
Goto www.amazon.com
[tab] - brings you to their "sections" drop down
[space] - drops the menu down
try [e], [v]
WATCH it go first to "electronics", then "everything"
Very slick, deals with unordered lists appropriately.
I'm happy. Thanks Apple (finally).
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It figures they wouldn't bother--Safari has less than 1 percent of the browser market. I hear it all the time at work--"no one uses Macs so that's why we don't test on them". You could write them a letter/email if you haven't already, but Macs are such a niche product it's hard to get most companies to care. Thank God for Firebird, it works with every website I need, unlike Safari--and when I want a new version I don't need to shell out $129 for an OS upgrade that for what I do on the Mac is worth maybe $1.29 to me. I love my Mac, but I hate Apple for trying to milk its fanatics for every dollar they're worth--they may make money in the short run, but IMHO in the long term they'll just become even more irrelevant.
It's true Microsoft is doing the same thing post-IE 6...but they're not exactly what I'd call the gold standard for customer service...