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Also off topic but I agree that ‘natural’ scrolling is awful. I’m sure if your Mac laptop is the only device you ever use - you eventually adapt, but anyone who uses also uses PCs with scroll wheels every day has to have a consistent input experience. It’s annoying enough to me that the acceleration profiles for the mouse pointer is different on macOS and Windows.
When I was forced to use PCs for my work, I changed the scrolling direction in Windows rather than the other way around. Natural scrolling really is just that: natural.
 
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Ummm yea it is…..read the article and the complaints on Reddit….
Umm no it's not, read my posts with attached screenshots explaining that it's about being able to tell which tab is selected. Trying to reduce that to a "shading issue" misses the actual usability problem that underlies it.
 
Here’s a thought….the active tab is the one with a damn X on it.
Just out of curiosity, do you have *any* UI or UX experience whatsoever? I'm guessing not.

You honestly think that, in a UI where every tab has an icon on it, it makes sense for the user to have to scan across and examine the icons to figure out which one has a particular icon in order to understand which one is currently selected?
 
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Separate tab layout is horrible and confusing, especially with just two tabs open.

That’s why I only use compact tab layout, which has its own issues.

Safari in iOS 15 on the other hand is a joy to use, especially the new bottom layout.
I don’t like the bottom layout. Prefer being able to see where Im at from the top.
 
Umm no it's not, read my posts with attached screenshots explaining that it's about being able to tell which tab is selected. Trying to reduce that to a "shading issue" misses the actual usability problem that underlies it.
Oh forgive me….I thought this was a thread discussing the article where they talk about shading in the second paragraph and makes tons of references to the shading …..let me go back and let us all respond to what YOU are talking about. 🙄
 
Oh forgive me….I thought this was a thread discussing the article where they talk about shading in the second paragraph and makes tons of references to the shading …..let me go back and let us all respond to what YOU are talking about. 🙄
What's the headline of the article? Take a look at it...I'll wait.
 
Just out of curiosity, do you have *any* UI or UX experience whatsoever? I'm guessing not.

You honestly think that, in a UI where every tab has an icon on it, it makes sense for the user to have to scan across and examine the icons to figure out which one has a particular icon in order to understand which one is currently selected?
I’ve not had one single issue knowing what tab is active. Guess I’m able to adapt to change easier than some.
 
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I’ve not had one single issue knowing what tab is active. Guess I’m able to adapt to change easier than some.
If that's the explanation that makes you feel like you must be right, then congratulations. Or maybe, just maybe, there's something else going on and you've got some kind of weird need to not see it.
 
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When you got John Gruber (who defends Apple 24/7) agreeing with you, you’ve messed up:
That doesn’t make him right. It means he doesn’t know how to be objective. You shouldn’t trust his opinion now as a result. Tbqh the tab group design is head and shoulders better than anything I have seen before it.
 
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I'm definitely missing something.



My active tab is the one that pops. The active tab has significantly more contrast between its tab title and background than the background tabs do. I've played with the Safari "Tabs" settings and can't duplicate what everyone else is seeing.
Are you forcing Dark Mode?
 
If that's the explanation that makes you feel like you must be right, then congratulations. Or maybe, just maybe, there's something else going on and you've got some kind of weird need to not see it.
Dude….you clearly have an axe to grind on this thread Based on most of your reply’s to people. I’m not trying to be right. I’m saying for me it’s a non issue. If that makes you that upset that’s on you bud.
 
Change for the sake of change? I don't see the problem with the current Safari style. Besides, even Safari 15 doesn't appear any different compared to 14 in Catalina.
 
Dude….you clearly have an axe to grind on this thread Based on most of your reply’s to people. I’m not trying to be right. I’m saying for me it’s a non issue. If that makes you that upset that’s on you bud.
I have an axe to grind with people who dismiss serious UX issues on a major OS as being "old man syndrome" or "non-issues" as if they're not real problems because "Hey, it doesn't bother me!"
 
For those who maybe missed it, here are two tabs in the *same browser session*, using default settings.
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This is the problem being described. Remember, same browser session. The only difference is which tab is selected.
 
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In Mac but also in IOS and IPad OS Safari 15 is terrible!. I looked for ways to customize it, I had to enable a bunch of assistive settings to make it look less bad.
Is obvious that someone wanted to do a re design for the sake of keeping his job because innovation that works at Apple died with Steve.
IOS 14 and 15 “smart” suggestions everywhere are useless. Can’t even know when is my next alarm, the clock widget starts in Cupertino, for all users in the planet outside USA who have no idea WTF is a “Cupertino”. Can’t edit a dialed number in the phone app!, and now, Safari, what a mess and now we have to wait a full year to have an “improved” Safari. So hard was to let the user choose the tab colors/style?.
I use Edge now 50% of the time. Faster and less counter intuitive.
Why No one has balls at Apple to say “no!”, to bad design?.
Windows is no perfect, but at least they allow more customization.
We, the fan boys are making bigger and bigger this trillion dollar ballon and it will burst sooner than later. Good thing USA banned the Chinese tech, they are much more pragmatic and innovative than Tim’s Apple. The king is dead.
 
What I dislike the most is that when you have many tabs open, instead of shrinking all of them to fit the width of the page, they stop showing the tabs at either end, so that they are not available to click on unless you swipe to see the other end. The tabs also look genrally terrible on my 12.9" iPad Pro.
Agreed. Safari 15 on iPad is a joke. It looks like a friggn ransom note.
 
"The design is counterintuitive," wrote Gruber. "What sense does it make that no matter your settings, the active tab is rendered with less contrast between the tab title and the background than background tabs? The active tab should be the one that pops."
Not counterintuitive at all. I don't use Safari, but as soon as I looked at the screenshot, I intuitively knew the dark tab was in focus. The one that "pops" is the darker one! As always, some users just don't like change.
 
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