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Safari 15 Users Say New Tab Design is Counterintuitive

DesertDrummer said:
The Verge is selected in the *second* one and is the lighter color, but in the first one, Google News is selected and it is the *darker* color...which is my whole point.
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I don't know how people are seeing this. I'm on Safari 15.0 with the new tab design, and for me the active tabs is highlighted in a bright colour. The other tabs are shaded dark.

Also, If you have lots of tabs then the active tab is also much larger than the others. It's 100% clear what the active tab is.
 
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ruka.snow said:
Depends how you define popular. Facebook's billion users makes it hard to compare when to your own web apps and websites with tens of millions of users
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Oh wow it depends.. sounds smart.
One could develop minesweeper for Windows 95 and still be embarrassed to defend such browser state in 2021, your standards are only yours, sounds like Safari was made just for you, so enjoy.
 
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Canubis said:
Tbh I'd consider this lightyears better than what the latest Safari looks like…
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UI wise even if subjective I agree, UX wise in many ways it would be better but there's a fatal flaw - there's nowhere to drag window around, it would have to use crappy workarounds like leaving some space at the top or drag timers on tabs.
Reason077 said:
Complete nonsense. I love the new tab design. The new tabs look better, and work better than before.

Apple does a lot of dumb things, but this isn't one of them. It's a big improvement.
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Work better how exactly?
 
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Are you able to move the tabs back to their original position so that they are below the favourites bar?? I cant find a setting that allows this??
 
elptdbi3lYI said:
we lost refresh button that had a menu for reloading without adblock
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It is still there.

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ruka.snow said:
The default was compact tabs. People complained and the default changed from the lovely compact tabs to that horrendous worst of both worlds you pictured. Apple sticking to their guns on the compact tabs would have been a lot better than adding a last minute extra that became the default.
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I don't know what to tell you. I didn't change any setting. This is just how it started to look after I updated. But I probably wouldn't have selected the "compact tabs" view anyway because as I said, I want more space to be able to grab and reposition the window. If you're saying that Apple made a last-minute decision to make the default terrible...Well, that's still a UX error and that's what I'm judging here.
 
The above screenshots are perfect in telling how Chrome and the old Safari handled it perfectly. I've accidentally closed the wrong tab many times. These things should be intuitive. If I have to think about it, something's wrong.
 
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Reason077 said:
I don't know how people are seeing this. I'm on Safari 15.0 with the new tab design, and for me the active tabs is highlighted in a bright colour. The other tabs are shaded dark.

Also, If you have lots of tabs then the active tab is also much larger than the others. It's 100% clear what the active tab is.
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Larger than the others? That's weird. If you open a new Safari window and go to news.google.com in one tab and theverge.com in another, what do you see when you select them?
 
DesertDrummer said:
I don't know what to tell you. I didn't change any setting. This is just how it started to look after I updated. But I probably wouldn't have selected the "compact tabs" view anyway because as I said, I want more space to be able to grab and reposition the window.
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There isn't really a debate to be had there. As I said, the default was the compact tabs and then people kicked up a fuss, Apple made that last minute 'redesign' and shipped it as the default. If they held onto the original design, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
ruka.snow said:
There isn't really a debate to be had there. As I said, the default was the compact tabs and then people kicked up a fuss, Apple made that last minute 'redesign' and shipped it as the default. If they held onto the original design, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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They still had the responsibility to evaluate the UX of their decision, and they got it wrong. Whether it was due to a fuss or not is really beside the point. They could have had it be a choice between "old view" and "compact" with the old way being the default, and we also wouldn't be having this discussion, right?

So the problem is they went ahead with a bad UX. What motivated it is really kind of irrelevant. It was an error, in my opinion.
 
DesertDrummer said:
They still had the responsibility to evaluate the UX of their decision, and they got it wrong. Whether it was due to a fuss or not is really beside the point. They could have had it be a choice between "old view" and "compact" with the old way being the default, and we also wouldn't be having this discussion, right?

So the problem is they went ahead with a bad UX. What motivated it is really kind of irrelevant. It was an error, in my opinion.
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Compact should have been default by virtue of being new but separate should have definitely switched to old tabs instead of mess that we got.
 
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DesertDrummer said:
They still had the responsibility to evaluate the UX of their decision, and they got it wrong. Whether it was due to a fuss or not is really beside the point. They could have had it be a choice between "old view" and "compact" with the old way being the default, and we also wouldn't be having this discussion, right?

So the problem is they went ahead with a bad UX. What motivated it is really kind of irrelevant. It was an error, in my opinion.
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Well in a way I agree, it should have been the compact view with a option to switch to legacy tabs that look like tabs instead of a compact view and a daft view. But still, I honestly have no complaints, from the first beta I was really looking forward to the new UI. The compact view takes up even less space then Opera:

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I don't use Safari, but it's not the only app that can be confusing with tabs. For example, Visual Studio Code. To me, the "main.css" tab looks like it's in the foreground (and therefore active), but it's actually the inactive tab.

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Having said that, it's not the end of the world (whether VSC or Safari 15) like some people are acting. You just have to learn the quirks of specific apps.
 
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ruka.snow said:
Well in a way I agree, it should have been the compact view with a option to switch to legacy tabs that look like tabs instead of a compact view and a daft view. But still, I honestly have no complaints, from the first beta I was really looking forward to the new UI. The compact view takes up even less space then Opera:
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Okay so, to be open-minded, I switched my current browser, as I'm using it right this minute, over to Compact Mode just to see.

Here's what that makes the chroming look like:
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Now...Honestly. Where on earth am I supposed to click to move that window around? I don't use my browser fullscreen and I don't want to. I have good reasons for that. Am I supposed to slowly find a narrow little nook on there that I can click and drag? That is not good UX.
 
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