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I would imagine so, unless Apple also discontinued the XP version, which I don't see them doing. It would be silly if Safari 5 ran on XP but not Leopard.

Well, it would be silly if Steve Jobs worked at one company that sold Blu-ray discs and another that made expensive computers that didn't support their playback... something being silly doesn't always rule out Apple thinking it's a good idea.

I don't think Safari will be dropped for PPC machines yet, and hope not. If they do, I'll switch to Firefox as my main browser, I could happily do that if necessary.

Kudos to the post that mentioned how security should be the priority in a browser btw, I agree with that. I'd be happy for Safari to add features to newer versions of the OS as long as the older version is updated for security for a while yet. I'd also like the option to turn off the Top Sites feature altogether in the preferences instead of having to lock the folder where it wants to cache tons of screenshots.

I find clicktoflash makes everything nicer, and for even more speed set a keyboard shortcut for turning off Javascript when you don't need it (I use command-J).

Also, I think some people really need to reassess what 'dead' means. Say 'dying' if you like, but calling things 'dead' that are still in use by lots of people really is silly. You wouldn't call a person 'dead' just because they retired or became a grandparent. Wait until they actually require a funeral before dancing on their grave ok?!
 
Is Xcode for a new version specificly or the iPad. No more Xcode for mac osx?

Yes. I have a good friend who is working WWDC and I can confirm that XCode 4 will only run on the iPad. It is designed to take full advantage of the iPad's multitouch interface - I've heard that the new UI is really fantastic.

Compilation times are competitive with XCode 3 on a Mac because of the exclusive use of Clang/LLVM, which reduces compilation times significantly compared to GCC.

XCode 4 iPad will initially only be able to create iPad/iPhone applications, XCode 3 will still be available on Macs for Mac development. However, a Mac OS X simulator is under development that will allow development of Mac applications right on your iPad, so Mac developers will (eventually) also have access to the great features of XCode 4!

You heard it here first!
 
Enjoy your compile times.

That would make no sense at all. The iPad can't run Xcode as is, for 3 big reasons:
  1. Xcode isn't compiled for ARM
  2. Xcode's interface isn't designed for touch controls
  3. The iPad isn't such a great development platform, either, due to there being no easy way to package and distribute anything developed there
Even if Apple solved the first 2 problems, the 3rd remains.

I was just kinda bein sarcastic. It seems that apple main focus is iPhone an ipad, and now the Macs are a hobby. They don't even give the macs serious updates. And Xcode 4 for ipad would allow you to build iPhone OS only apps, and Xcode for mac would let you do both. For distribution You simply use your dev membership an upload to the App Store and it will get approved.
Apple could make Xcode for iPad. iWork wasn't compiled for ARM, and then Apple made it compiled. Same could happen to Xcode. The iWork UI wasn't made fr touch screens either. Apple changed that with iWork for iPad. They could do the same with Xcode.
You could test your app right on iPad an then upload it to the approvals quene and be good to go.

It's just an idea that I hope will never happen. But if it does, Apple better have a great Xcode for Mac OSX.
 
Enjoy your compile times.

I was just kinda bein sarcastic. It seems that apple main focus is iPhone an ipad, and now the Macs are a hobby. They don't even give the macs serious updates. And Xcode 4 for ipad would allow you to build iPhone OS only apps, and Xcode for mac would let you do both. For distribution You simply use your dev membership an upload to the App Store and it will get approved.
Apple could make Xcode for iPad. iWork wasn't compiled for ARM, and then Apple made it compiled. Same could happen to Xcode. The iWork UI wasn't made fr touch screens either. Apple changed that with iWork for iPad. They could do the same with Xcode.
You could test your app right on iPad an then upload it to the approvals quene and be good to go.

It's just an idea that I hope will never happen. But if it does, Apple better have a great Xcode for Mac OSX.
Eidorian is right.

It would be better to remote desktop back to a Mac and run Xcode there. Trying to run Xcode on a iPad would be as wonderful as running Final Cut Pro on the device. I'm not editing AVCHD 1080p HD footage on an iPad in the near future.

The way Xcode on the iPad would be feasible if there was some sort of cloud-based code tree and compiler server farm. It's entirely possible, but certainly not probable for a consumer-focused device like the iPad at this point. Get a MacBook instead for now.

Macs aren't really a hobby to Apple if you look at how much revenue and gross profit they contribute to the company's financials. I'm a longtime AAPL shareholder so I'm aware about this sort of stuff. You can seek out their SEC filings and note that Mac revenues and unit sales have been increasing, not decreasing over the past few years.

It would be irresponsible to AAPL shareholders if the company ignored Macintosh business at this time. Of all of the things Apple has or hasn't done over the past 5-10 years, no one can rightfully say that Apple has done a poor job at increasing shareholder value.
 
Safari 5 sounds really exciting.

I was playing with the HTML5 demonstrations on the Apple website and I'm also very excited to see that start to get implemented.
 
Control Please

Apple needs to build in the features of Glims and Pithhelmet into Safari. Hire those guys! We need control to stop the trash from polluting the web experience.
 
Eidorian is right.

It would be better to remote desktop back to a Mac and run Xcode there. Trying to run Xcode on a iPad would be as wonderful as running Final Cut Pro on the device. I'm not editing AVCHD 1080p HD footage on an iPad in the near future.

The way Xcode on the iPad would be feasible if there was some sort of cloud-based code tree and compiler server farm. It's entirely possible, but certainly not probable for a consumer-focused device like the iPad at this point. Get a MacBook instead for now.

I'm not saying I want Xcode on an iPad. I don't even like the iPad. I'm just saying what I said before because it seems all Apple really cares about anymore is the iPad and iPhone.
 
I'd love to see auto-generation of method declarations in header files, and auto-generation of getters/setters.

Isn't this why they added @properties? I doubt they'll be adding methods for helping write normal accessors. Everyone targeting 10.5 and up should be using @properties.

But to that point, what I'd really love to see is a major overhaul to Objective-C, pushing it syntactically in a more Java or Ruby direction.

Using dot notation with @properties was a stretch, if they add it for standard message passing why not just scrap it altogether and use C#/Java ;)

It's still wearing oversized, shoulderpad suits and Raybans from the late 80s; it needs a design overhaul.

I agree, I hope they do some major UI reworking. It's starting to feel clunky. I'd like it to be more streamlined, especially for those of us who don't have the luxury of a 30" screen.
 
What benefits would PowerPC support bring? If it is supported it will be by version number only, as most of the rumored new features probably couldnt be supported anyway... including faster javascript (technically not possible on PowerPC platforms)

huh?
 
I'm not saying I want Xcode on an iPad. I don't even like the iPad. I'm just saying what I said before because it seems all Apple really cares about anymore is the iPad and iPhone.
You are whining.

Here's what you wrote.

The iWork UI wasn't made fr touch screens either. Apple changed that with iWork for iPad. They could do the same with Xcode.
Why won't I assume that you want Xcode on the iPad? Say what you mean. If you want to bitch and moan about all the attention iPhone/iPad are getting, just say it.

They just released new MacBooks. It looks like a Mac mini update is imminent, along with OS X 10.6.4. We should see an iMac update before fall. I don't know about Mac Pro, MacBook Air, Cinema Displays, etc., but those product lines have marketing managers who probably need to periodically convince Steve that Apple should keep them on the payroll.

Look, Snow Leopard was a major rewrite that probably provides the underpinnings of OS X for the next five years.

However, iPhone has been in the market less than three years (June 29, 2007 was when the first iPhone shipped). They have a lot of work to bring up this still-young mobile platform environment.

Remember, Mac contributes a large portion of Apple's revenues. It isn't being ignore. It's just that this year's WWDC focus is on something that needs it more than Macs.

You aren't going to see a WWDC that is almost entirely focused on Mac/OS X. The world is moving to mobile devices, that's where the effort needs to go, especially in nurturing the architecture in its infancy.
 
Many of Safari's features are Snow Leopard-only, or at least Intel-only. The PowerPC builds of Safari lag behind the Intel ones, and will continue to do so until PowerPC support is phased out. However, I'm no expert on exactly which features are thus limited. The only feature I know to be SL-only is plugin isolation.
 
Add an updated MacPro case and we will be in business.

Why does the case need to be updated? How it looks is perfectly fine as long as it continues to do what it's designed to do. The current cooling system keeps the Mac Pro whisper quiet, and I'd hate for a design change to necessitate louder cooling (or heaven forbid, downclocking)...
 
Add an updated MacPro case and we will be in business.
As an AAPL shareholder, I don't see how a pretty case would materially increase shareholder value, but I realize that some people care about getting a new case design from time to time, so I'll let it slide.

Of course, if the new case somehow increases performance or reduces COGS, I'm all for it!

:p
 
Many of Safari's features are Snow Leopard-only, or at least Intel-only. The PowerPC builds of Safari lag behind the Intel ones, and will continue to do so until PowerPC support is phased out. However, I'm no expert on exactly which features are thus limited. The only feature I know to be SL-only is plugin isolation.

Lolwut? Plugin isolation is not exclusive to Snow Leopard per se. Core Duo and Core Solo Macs on Snow Leopard don't get it either.
 
Why does the case need to be updated? How it looks is perfectly fine as long as it continues to do what it's designed to do. The current cooling system keeps the Mac Pro whisper quiet, and I'd hate for a design change to necessitate louder cooling (or heaven forbid, downclocking)...

Agreed. I also don't want to be a beta tester for a new case. The current Mac Pro case is still a work of art and is now essentially perfected.
 
Hopefully good things coming.

I wonder what the new Xcode will do.
Hopefully fix all the bugs!! As IDEs go XCode isn't exactly stable. I'd also hope that they would come up with a new appraoch for interface builder. If there is one thing I hate about XCode it is interface builder.
All of this is for sure?
I think this place is called Mac Rumors for a reason.
I wonder if there will be anymore surprises at all.

There could be a lot of things from a XMac to iWork 2010. Besides if you really wanted a surprise you should stay off the rumor sites.

Dave
 
- Smart Address field
Glad this is finally being implemented, it seems like a relatively small feature but it's so useful, I think I'll be switching from Firefox if this is indeed on it's way. As for tab settings, I definitely wouldn't complain if tabs on top made a return.
 
This is news to me. Where did you find out this information?

Where did I find this information? I have a Core Duo MacBook Pro. When Safari runs in 32-bit mode it does not get plugin isolation. Try it yourself(Right click Safari, click Get Info, then select open in 32-bit mode). 32-bit processors like the Core Duo and Core Solo can only run Safari in 32-bit mode(obviously).
 
It runs smoother on Chrome as well. Mac fanboys like to blame Flash, but its Safari that's at fault.

Hmm. I've tried Chrome before, and I'm using right now, and the .gifs in question are still slow and laggy. When I open the tab with the .gifs the whole page freezes and stays frozen until the .gifs play. But when I switch to Firefox they are smooth and play normally .

I don't understand what's wrong here.:confused: It's got me puzzled.
 
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