Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Safari 5 and Xcode 4 Coming at WWDC
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
There's that faux retort again, "I don't like to be distracted."
Oh me oh my, my desktop picture is just BEGGING to be looked at, averting my eyes from my original task at hand.
Bull. Your desktop is not possibly THAT interesting.
Apple's solution - Build a SMART window function that finds the optimal size for a window to display its contents without hogging up your display.
Microsoft's solution - Build a drone function that just blows the crap out of your window without any thought what-so-ever.
This is the typical nature of both companies.
Yes! Yes! Yes...yes...YES!!!
Anyone else out there miss Safari 4 beta for this exact reason?
James
And XP? Doubt it.
Well, that "retort" is exactly why Apple added fullscreen mode in Pages. There' no reason to assume that Apple won't add a similar feature to Safari.
Granted, it's a whole lot easier to get distracted when you have to sit down to write (what I should be doing right now!) than internet browsing.
Windows = Yes
Mac (intel) = Yes
Mac (powerpc) = Unlikely
What benefits would PowerPC support bring? If it is supported it will be by version number only, as most of the rumored new features probably couldnt be supported anyway... including faster javascript (technically not possible on PowerPC platforms), developer tools, caching and dns pre-fetch are likely to be quite intensive.
Mac (intel) = Yes
Mac (powerpc) = Unlikely
What benefits would PowerPC support bring? If it is supported it will be by version number only, as most of the rumored new features probably couldnt be supported anyway... including faster javascript (technically not possible on PowerPC platforms), developer tools, caching and dns pre-fetch are likely to be quite intensive.
No need to take things so personally. I was more referring to having Windows in the background anyway. Distraction is entirely mental and if a fullscreened window keeps me from getting myself distracted, then no matter the psychology it has done its job.
It would be great if the zoom button worked the way its supposed to every time. I often encounter bugs when using it, where either my window will move or it doesn't enlarge big enough to encase all the content. Right now the button is useless to me.
And nearly every other operating system including all (or nearly all) distros of Linux and Solaris. It's a standard computer function with OS X by itself. Most people don't even use the green button, because of its unpredictable nature.
Sir, you have just become the first person on my ignore list. I find your way of taking things personally incredibly irritating.
If I'm only doing one task, why not use the whole display to do it rather than using the minimal space possible and wasting the rest of the space to show a background? The mac auto-size button can be useful when multitasking on a mid to large sized display, but most of the time I'm only doing things on one window at a time, and so I manually expand it to full screen to make full use of precious screen real estate. If nothing else, just add a frickin fourth button for maximize.
Other major annoyance: if I'm clicking the scrollbar on a maximized window, I usually just flick my mouse to the right edge of the screen and click. But if my current window is slightly misaligned and I accidentally touch the tiny 1 pixel bar of the window behind it, the computer switches to the window behind it.
I like the worry free nature of my mac, but OS X is in no way perfect.
You do know that XP to Win7 isn't what PPC is to Mac Intel?
It's totally irrelevant if Safari 5 will be released for XP or not. Safari compiled to run on Win7, it will also run on XP. But for Safari compiled to run on OS X Intel, won't run on PPC Macs.
Quite intensive? It's just browsing the web! As I said before in this thread, if Apple wants to push HTML5 they need to support it as well as they can on as many platforms as they can.
I suppose could keep Safari 5 for Win7 and 10.6, while releasing a minor bump for PPC and XP that just contains the HTML5 improvements.
Of course. I just think it would be kind of silly if a nine-year OS supported Apple's latest browser but Apple's own three-year old OS did not. Safari is compiled to run on intel machines in 64-bit mode, and there's also a 32 bit PPC version alongside it...so I'm not sure what your point is. Apple can easily support both versions.
Maybe they'll release 4.1 for PPC and XP with full HTML5 support? Because the current Webkit does allow for fullscreen HTML5 and whatnot.
With the entire Mac product base now on Intel... why would Apple waste its time implementing HTML 5 for a dead PowerPC product base?
Whether or not Apple have done so, will depend much of the architecture of Safari and webkit. Can they just tick the build for PowerPC box in Xcode? I dont really know much about that... Not impossible, but IMHO it would make Safari slower on the PowerPC and thus the user experience would not be so good.
I agree 100%. The green button is very unpredictable, and even its intended function isn't that useful. For the rare circumstances when one needs to find a size for a window, doing it manually gives a much better result and is far less annoying and finicky than pressing the green button and watching it do stupid things or do nothing at all.
Err, dead PowerPC base? That's a little extreme. There are still quite a few people using older PowerPC Macs. Apple has to put full-screen HTML5 support for older PowerPC Macs if they want to push it, because those users will be getting full-screen on Flash but not HTML5, which is ridiculous. If Apple wants to release a 4.1 update with the current updated WebKit, fine, whatever. But they have to do something.
It would make Safari faster, because HTML5 is far less intensive than flash. Edit: aiqw9182 nailed it above.
I like the way you think.
I want the ability to have multiple tabs of code open at once (again, like ECLIPSE!) and garbage collection in iPhone development.
When you think about it - wouldn't it be best to simply move to Eclipse and get it over with? Why do they need their own frikin' IDE?
I agree with you, it would be stupid. But I would also understand if Apple chose not to compile Safari for PPC.
Major Xcode improvements are always welcome; I'd love to see auto-generation of method declarations in header files, and auto-generation of getters/setters. In other words, take some of the tedium out of writing Objective-C classes. But to that point, what I'd really love to see is a major overhaul to Objective-C, pushing it syntactically in a more Java or Ruby direction. It's still wearing oversized, shoulderpad suits and Raybans from the late 80s; it needs a design overhaul.
Apple has never done that: multiple keynotes every single WWDC morning.
Most likely, Steve will mention some stuff in his keynote on Monday, the rest will be mentioned in a press release. If Steve talks ninety minutes, my guess is that 75 minutes will be focused on the new iPhone, iPhone OS 4 and new development tools.
No one's gonna get on stage and make a big deal about a minor maintenance release like 10.6.4. Likewise, if Apple ships a new Mac mini, that will get no major airtime. Most likely, it will show up on the Apple website and have a little press release.
The one thing I miss from Windows is Aero Snaps. I'm not sure where I fall on the maximized window argument, but I see merit in both sides. I've noticed that one of the big things people who switch to OS X have problems with is the maximize window issue. For me, I'd rather have the choice of using the best tool for the job. That tool is Cinch.
http://irradiatedsoftware.com/cinch/
Cinch allows one to use Aero Snaps in OS X, and maximizes the window to the full area of the screen that the Menubar and Dock do not occupy. It is a great app that is nagware for free or 7 bucks to buy. Very worth it IMHO.
Being a WebKit nightly user, I am very excited for Safari 5!
http://irradiatedsoftware.com/cinch/
Cinch allows one to use Aero Snaps in OS X, and maximizes the window to the full area of the screen that the Menubar and Dock do not occupy. It is a great app that is nagware for free or 7 bucks to buy. Very worth it IMHO.
Being a WebKit nightly user, I am very excited for Safari 5!