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Safari for Windows Downloads Top 1 Million In 48 Hours

dandelgrosso said:
(Although the beta flaws were surprising, but then its Windows)! :) :D
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Everyone seems to want to chide apple for having security bugs in a beta program, but unless you've coded for windows before, you cannot fathom the difficulty that is intrinsic in developing a secure application for that patchwork quilt of an OS. Even if you use their preferred method of development, Visual Studio, which Apple certainly did not, the results you get are hit or miss.
 
Flowbee said:
With regard to blurry text... Apple computers (and apps) render text differently than Windows PCs. When I switched to Mac a few years ago, I noticed the "blurry" text, too. My Mac-using friends didn't know what I was talking about. After a few weeks on my new computer, my eyes (brain) adjusted and I didn't notice the "blurriness" anymore; text just looked nice and smooth. Now when I'm on a Windows machine using IE or Firefox, the text looks jagged and terrible to me.

I don't have a windows pc here to check, but does the text in iTunes for Windows look like text in Safari for Windows? Or is Safari "blurrier"?
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I actually did a dumb science project on this in some damn math class in college, maybe statistics, something I didn't need to take but had to. At any rate. I compared the reading speeds of people using Windows' and Mac OS' text rendering, reading on the Mac saw an average of a 7% increase in speed using sans serif fonts over reading identical passages in windows. The smooth fonts are just easier on the eyes and inccrease efficiency.
 
flyinmac said:
I do hope you're right. But, it would be a departure from their recent history to do so.

They have treated their updated browsers as a main feature of the new OS at the time they ship.

But, yes, hopefully they will not continue shipping Safari as a "Bundled Only" application.
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Yes, I see your point, but if you look at iTunes (the only other app Apple has ever released for both OS X and Windows), it is available for both Panther and Tiger. So using iTunes as an example (which makes the most sense), then Safari 3 will definitely be available for Tiger and Leopard.

I think Apple will be treating Safari 3 just like iTunes, in that both will be available to everyone for free.
 
thomasfxlt said:
MS Safari is a beta release. What's the big surprise with the bugs?
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A public beta advertised as "The world's best browser" on the homepage should just work with some minor bugs and holes on every platform its available for. What is the intention of a public beta? To test it on many machines possible, right? Than why are there so simple bugs and issues, that could be found in a few hours and got even fixed in a day? These aren't specific bugs, because a lot of users have the same bugs (mostly two major bugs: no fonts in the app or on websites and crashes when the bookmark feature is used). I belief it has to do with how many fonts are installed and issues with the bookmark folder.
Issues that should have been tested in the alpha stadium.
 
EricNau said:
I think Apple will be treating Safari 3 just like iTunes, in that both will be available to everyone for free.
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I don't think so. Apple will try to sell as many copies of Leopard as possible and Safari 3 is one big feature (read: "build in functionality" on the website). And iTunes on the other side creates money itself and the windows version of Safari is only to force developers to create iPhone apps. IMO
 
TiAdiMundo said:
I don't think so. Apple will try to sell as many copies of Leopard as possible and Safari 3 is one big feature (read: "build in functionality" on the website). And iTunes on the other side creates money itself and the windows version of Safari is only to force developers to create iPhone apps. IMO
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Some things are more valuable than money, and right now, Safari's market share is one of them.
 
theBB said:
Thanks for calling a lot of people dishonest. Let's see, a good portion of Mac OSX is open source, underpinnings of Safari is open-source, if you install developer tools that come with your OSX DVD you can even rebuild QuickTime, TextEdit and many other stuff to your heart's content etc etc. Mac also makes writing and sharing little scripts very easy with Applescript and Automator. Here, you got your answer...


Is full featured IE7 available for Windows 2000 or XP SP1?
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Thats not fair. Or is Safari 2 available for Mac OS 9?
The whole question about proprietary is also about alternatives. You can't easily switch off QuickTime but you can easily switch off all Microsoft apps in XP SP2 or Vista. Apple will go the same long way Microsoft have with implementing features to compete.
 
EricNau said:
Yes, I see your point, but if you look at iTunes (the only other app Apple has ever released for both OS X and Windows), it is available for both Panther and Tiger. So using iTunes as an example (which makes the most sense), then Safari 3 will definitely be available for Tiger and Leopard.

I think Apple will be treating Safari 3 just like iTunes, in that both will be available to everyone for free.
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I think you are forgetting Filemaker Pro and Quicktime.
 
Kenn Marks said:
Sure there is a way to run your keynote presentations on a PC, I do it all the time, save it as an interactive quicktime video. The only downside is if your presentation has imbedded video clips they do not like the double compression and come out pretty crappy. As for the iTunes to Windows Media that's what DRM is for to not make it easy. As for iWork you could still get a copy of AppleWorks for Windows if you have access to the Academic Store.
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How do you save as an interactive quicktime

Can it be burned to a DVD and then used on a DVD player?

How do you switch between slides.
 
TiAdiMundo said:
A public beta advertised as "The world's best browser" on the homepage should just work with some minor bugs and holes on every platform its available for. What is the intention of a public beta? To test it on many machines possible, right? Than why are there so simple bugs and issues, that could be found in a few hours and got even fixed in a day? These aren't specific bugs, because a lot of users have the same bugs (mostly two major bugs: no fonts in the app or on websites and crashes when the bookmark feature is used). I belief it has to do with how many fonts are installed and issues with the bookmark folder.
Issues that should have been tested in the alpha stadium.
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I don't know if I agree. I certainly believe that it was Apple's intent to issue a stable release, but there is the hard reality to deal with that MS users are on hundreds of different platforms with much more diverse software installations, network configurations and server setups. Alpha release would have been to a controlled user environment with lot's of expertise and stable system setup. Beta is general public and that's where the the most risk lies, especially with an OS that is by nature an open development platform.

I think it's unfortunate that there was a misperception of what "day 1" meant. Whomever said it made a mistake because it was so likely to be misunderstood and exploited by the anti-Apple clan.

I think Apple demonstrates great courage releasing this browser to the MS masses. There is risk, but the reward could be great. I've been using Safari since day 1 and have suffered through it's evolution. The speed of the browser has kept me from switching to Firefox (which I use for various e-commerce site because of Safari issues). I still believe that Safari is the best Mac browser overall, in spite of some remaining problems.

I send stuff to Apple when I have problems. Over time, most issues get resolved.
 
poppe said:
How do you save as an interactive quicktime

Can it be burned to a DVD and then used on a DVD player?

How do you switch between slides.
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File --> Export.

There you will find options to export as QuickTime, PowerPoint, PDF, Images, Flash, iDVD (you then burn as DVD from iDVD and it would be playable on a DVD player, you switch slides automatically or set them up as chapters and use << and >> on the dvd player), and also as HTML.
 
smitty078 said:
File --> Export.

There you will find options to export as QuickTime, PowerPoint, PDF, Images, Flash, iDVD (you then burn as DVD from iDVD and it would be playable on a DVD player, you switch slides automatically or set them up as chapters and use << and >> on the dvd player), and also as HTML.
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That's so awesome!!! The video files don't work well though?
 
i get the feeling this should have been released as a closed beta invite only, the amount of windows users that have come up to me and said what a load of crap it is , has to be a bad thing for trying to switch them to mac!

1 million is just the hype and since it's not good, that's blown that one


better luck with iChat on windows apple - learn from your mistakes
 
Sigh. I suppose most are too new to the Net to remember it wasn't until version 3 of Internet Explorer came out that IE reached any meaningful level of usability... or popularity for that matter.
 
theBB said:
Mac also makes writing and sharing little scripts very easy with Applescript and Automator. Here, you got your answer...
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Sorry, I'm a little bit stupid, so can you tell me again how I can use little scripts and Automator to run Keynote presentations on Windows?
 
Flowbee said:
I don't have a windows pc here to check, but does the text in iTunes for Windows look like text in Safari for Windows? Or is Safari "blurrier"?
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for the ppl who ask firefox for mac to be mac-ish, its not difficult for them to understand safari for win is 1000% out of place than firefox for mac.
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Apple wants the Apple interface everywhere. On your Mac. On your PC. On your iPhone. On your TV.

Safari will be free for both platforms. To suggest otherwise is, I think, to miss what Steve was saying. He said they have done it with iTunes, and would now do it with Safari.
 
clevin said:
for the ppl who ask firefox for mac to be mac-ish, its not difficult for them to understand safari for win is 1000% out of place than firefox for mac.
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Thing is though, Apple don't care. They believe their interfaces are best, which is arrogant, but everyone in tech generally thinks the best of their own products.

It might appeal to users who get distracted by the all the fluff and transparency in Windows Vista.
 
clevin said:
for the ppl who ask firefox for mac to be mac-ish, its not difficult for them to understand safari for win is 1000% out of place than firefox for mac.
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So, despite the different look, Safari also uses twice as much memory compared to Netscape :D
 
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