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That is a another point to start from. But the problem isn't that the old version doesn't install - in fact it does, but Safari v74 won't open windows anymore - it is that now I can't install the new v80 or really run v74...

I'll look around some more...
 
i wish people would honor ndas and not leak this stuff. for all that hard work, apple deserves some respect by the community.
 
Originally posted by richie
As far as I can tell (I'm not actually going to install v80 myself), it looks like the updater updates Foundation.framework, too (to 6.2.1 from 6.2), which could be why the old version won't install anymore. Unfortunately, I don't know a good way to downgrade that...
How about getting 6.2 from someone else??
I'm sure one of us can help you with that.
NicoMan
 
Re: Help!

Originally posted by Bundled
I quickly downloaded Safari v80 from somewhere, but I would not advice others to do so. First of all, it is nice but some preferences don't work anymore (security for example) and after I tried to remove the package with OSXPM (the tool mentioned above) I couldn't use the public beta from Apple anymore. And above all after deleting v80 to go back to the public beta, I couldn't install v80 again, it tells me it is impossible to install it on that hard disk. I even moved the WebKit.framework away from the Frameworks folder. I deleted anything on my hard disk with Safari in it... except the two installation packages, the one from Apple and that nasty v80... I probably have to wait until Safari leaves beta status or Apple releases Panther... wooah, 4 months...

Anyone who can solve this problem?
I mean Chimera/Camino is cool, but I liked Safari a lot more.

I've got the same problem. Haven't managed to fix it yet, but I started a new thread under questions/tips called "I killed Safari", so hopefully a solution will show up in there.
 
Does anybody else find anything wrong (or at least funny) with Apple bundling and deeply embedding their browser into the operating system?
 
Re: Safari v80 Leaked?

Originally posted by Macrumors

Another report indicates that the install process has been modified -- with the upgrade package installing Webkit and the Foundation Frameworks in /System/Library/Frameworks instead of within the actual application.

Hm - that means Apple does not consider Safari beta anymore.
Sharing the libs means - open for anybody, not likely to be changed in an incompatible way anymore. Apple only does that with finalized Software.
 
nothing wrong with shared libs

Originally posted by TylerL
Does anybody else find anything wrong (or at least funny) with Apple bundling and deeply embedding their browser into the operating system?

Well, there's certainly nothing wrong or funny with sharing libs.
It is, in fact a widley used technique on Unix and linux distributions for - well, mostly for as long as these products exist.
 
Some small extras:
If you do a option-click on an autotab, you see what's inside it.

If you load a tab in the background, and it does a timeout, it will show a warning symbol on the tab. Click on the tab, and you get the actual error.

In v74 the error immediatly appeared, interrupting you while reading another site.
 

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Originally posted by TylerL
Does anybody else find anything wrong (or at least funny) with Apple bundling and deeply embedding their browser into the operating system?

They have not integrated the OS yet, all they have (or are going to) do is to make the library available to other developers.

But I suspect we will se more of the OS use the webcore with time. But then Apple is hardly a monopoly.
 
Originally posted by TylerL
Does anybody else find anything wrong (or at least funny) with Apple bundling and deeply embedding their browser into the operating system?

heh. yeah, sounds pretty funny at first.

Really though, its the opposite of what microsoft was doing. This type of "embedding" is tantamount to begging someone to compete with your browser. Apple's work on KHTML, the promised cocoa wrappers for it, and them (hopefully) making it a standard part of the install (so developers can count on it being there) are definitely A Good Thing.

And just a few days ago microsoft says something silly about IE 6 being the pinnacle of browsers and that there's not much more innovation to be done. riiiiight. have fun with that.
 
Originally posted by kristianm
But I suspect we will se more of the OS use the webcore with time. But then Apple is hardly a monopoly.

Well sure, and that would be great. Cocoa already offers decent HTML parsing and display. Stuff like mail, project builder, help viewer etc, all might benefit from having a better underlying engine.

The most important thing to remember here is that developers are getting access to really nice display and scripting engines, for free. Even if Apple decides to stop supporting it (unlikely), the libraries themselves are open-source, so they are not going away.
 
That may be true, but ironically, isn't that in complete contradiction with the purpose of a mac rumors website?

Should we quite posting hardware leaks and rumors when apple decides they are going to discontinue beta testing any hardware due to all the leaks?

Far fetched I know, but it's the point I'm trying to get across.

With WWDC so close, I suppose people are figuring this is the last or next to last beta of safari anyway.

Originally posted by Ja Di ksw
Wasn't the seeding program stopped for awhile because of leaks? I like hearing what's coming up as much as the next person, but the more that things get leaked, the more Apple will get ticked off. if they stop seeding, it will hurt us in the end. These leaks of seeds should really stop.
 
Originally posted by andyduncan

Really though, its the opposite of what microsoft was doing. This type of "embedding" is tantamount to begging someone to compete with your browser. Apple's work on KHTML, the promised cocoa wrappers for it, and them (hopefully) making it a standard part of the install (so developers can count on it being there) are definitely A Good Thing.

Microsoft is allowing you to extend IE as well. The only differences are:
- Apple is not a monopoly
- It is not unnatural to use other browsers on OS X
 
You don't think the people leaking all the hardware tidbits, screenshots and images have NDAs? They're probably employees somewhere in the chain. Basically, for any rumor to get out, somewhere, somebody broke an NDA.

Originally posted by gandalf55
i wish people would honor ndas and not leak this stuff. for all that hard work, apple deserves some respect by the community.
 
Originally posted by Vonnie
Some small extras:
If you do a option-click on an autotab, you see what's inside it.

If you load a tab in the background, and it does a timeout, it will show a warning symbol on the tab. Click on the tab, and you get the actual error.

In v74 the error immediatly appeared, interrupting you while reading another site.

you beat me i just wanted to post the same screenshot
 
Originally posted by TylerL
Does anybody else find anything wrong (or at least funny) with Apple bundling and deeply embedding their browser into the operating system?

Moving the frameworks to their global location is not "deeply embedd[ed]". It is proper use of shared libraries.

Do I find anything "wrong" with Apple providing a web browser service? No. Why? Because Apple must do so to compete with the illegal activities of Microsoft in this regard.

Do I feel funny about Apple most likely using the Safari (WebCore) libraries throughout their system and applications in the near future? Yes, I do. That "locks in" the WebCore interpretation of HTML just like MS's activities locked in IE's. The ideal, still, would be for companies to be able to compete to be the user's web framework provider. However, this ideal is difficult to engineer, whether you are the MS behemoth or the more slender but resource-limited Apple. And, I give you two side notes:

1) Apple is not doing so maliciously to "choke off the blood supply" of for instance Camino and Mozilla. One may say actions matter more than motives, but present motives tend to predict future actions. And there, we are less likely to see Apple restricting user choice when their stated and legitimate goal is to enhance choice for their users.

2) Apple is not a monopoly and therefore does not have to exist in the "careful" environment determined monopolists do. It is far easier for a ticked-off Apple user to switch to Windows than vice-versa, and Apple knows this. This keeps Apple from entertaining the more devious thoughts all corporations harbor 🙂

So, to sum up:

Apple needs Safari to compete, as whatever the overall problems with MS entrenching IE, there are benefits there as well that we are missing out on.

AND, Apple is much less likely to abuse this single-provider situation than MS.
 
Everything seems nice and dandy in v80, but my default font changed, it's much bigger for no reason at all! Otherwise, it seems stable.
 
I have v80...but I'm having a crisis of conscience.

After typing many a post saying that installing leaked versions harms us in the long run (Apple kill seed program, development slows), it seems everyone now has it installed, and the new features look yummy.

Also surely the person who leaked has been identified due to the unique ID they put in the last build at least, or is that gone now?

🙁 should I install or shouldn't I?

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by gandalf55
i wish people would honor ndas and not leak this stuff. for all that hard work, apple deserves some respect by the community.

i wish apple would honor their customers and open up their beta programs a good bit. then maybe things like the iSync fiasco wouldnt happen. simple and easy to fix bugs are slipping through the cracks because there is such a limited amount of people testing.
 
I usually don't use these leaked versions of Safari and I'm not this time. Mostly because it installs through a package like others have said, and it's an upgrade, usually it's just a download where you can delete it after using it and testing it out. And that's what I usually do, without messing with my public version.

But these new features sound pretty sweet, but I'm not touching it. Can't wait for it to go GM!😀
 
Originally posted by AppleMatt
I have v80...but I'm having a crisis of conscience.

After typing many a post saying that installing leaked versions harms us in the long run (Apple kill seed program, development slows), it seems everyone now has it installed, and the new features look yummy.

Also surely the person who leaked has been identified due to the unique ID they put in the last build at least, or is that gone now?

🙁 should I install or shouldn't I?

AppleMatt
Go ahead and install it. Enjoy the new features in the software. The only person who should be having a crisis of conscience is the guy (or gal) who leaked v80 to begin with.
 
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
Everything seems nice and dandy in v80, but my default font changed, it's much bigger for no reason at all! Otherwise, it seems stable.

I noticed the exact same thing. Do you know what the default font used to be? I got used to that one and this larger one is annoying at the moment.
 
I was able to basically fix the font problem by just changing it from 16-point to 14-point. Everything looks fine now.
 
Can someone tell me if you can command click on the back button or the home button to make a tab with either the page before the one you are on or your home page?
 
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