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not bad. i would not use it to make pictures though but to scan documents.
 
The sizes of these Retina-enabled apps appear to be about 2.5-3x the size of their original counterparts.
Does this apply for new versions of that software, even on older iPads? Or are they distributing different versions depending on which iPad you have? Former would be a bummer, as I tend to purchase a 2Gen iPad and get factually less storage for no reason.
 
I ordered 16gb wifi, I have the 32gb original and only filled up 20gb (15gb which were music and whatever amount to iOS) the rest were movies/pics/apps etc. I moved all music to my 4S, and also have lots of music in cloudstorage. Apps will be double the size but I don't use them that often and for movies I usually stream from an app via wifi... For those regretting the decision of not going the size up i'd max out your usage on it the first day or 2 and if it's not working go the the apple store and upgrade to the next size...easier said then done with the wait times pushed back I guess. Just my 2cents
 
Does this apply for new versions of that software, even on older iPads? Or are they distributing different versions depending on which iPad you have? Former would be a bummer, as I tend to purchase a 2Gen iPad and get factually less storage for no reason.
Yes, it will also be the same for the older iPads.

However: As I keep saying, it is misleading to say that the "retina-enabled" apps are bigger, because the increase in size is not only due to the retina adaptation. In all the apps mentioned, new features were implemented, which will also increase the size. And these new features will also be available on older iPads. ;) So I wouldn't say that you get less storage for "no reason". For example the huge increase in the size of iMovie is probably mostly due to the inclusion of additional media and the trailer functionality.
 
Still cannot see the point in using an iPad to take pictures....

It will make people laugh at the idiot making photos with a tablet the size of a sheet of paper. Finally instant smiles on your photographs! :) No camera has ever achieved a technology to make your subjects smile but this is it. It's magical! :D
 
Geez, Apple's apps have sure jumped in file size. VERY happy with my last-minute decision to bump up from 32 GB to 64 GB.

The shots look incredible, though it's still hard to mentally "scale them down" to the iPad screen size at that resolution. I'll just have to wait until it arrives on Friday to see for myself. I certainly remember the amazing feeling of gazing at my iPhone 4 screen for the first time. Apple sure knows how to work magic with displays.

its a pretty bad example for apple to set. you'd think they work out a way to get retina assets without such bloat (I realise in some apps they're adding other things too)

2-3x larger apps when the storage options are the same as the ipad 1 is shortsighted by apple. They need to move to 32/64/128 asap, I guess with ipad 4 (sorry, the next, new ipad)

tempted to change up to 64GB now, or perhaps buy a refurb ipad 2 for the kids so I don't need so many games on my ipad
 
Really bothers me that those unresized screenshots are way bigger than my 15" macbook pro's screen.

Apple, we really, really need retina screens on the next Macbooks >:{
 
Seems a lot of people would ave benefited from a higher capacity 128Gb version. Seems Apple may have overlooked this option. I would have thought the 3rd Gen iPad would have started at 32Gb instead of 16Gb as surely the idea of Apple buying out that Israeli Flash storage company would have enabled them to pass on the savings to the consumer. Seems that having 100 billion in the bank just aint enough for Tim Cook and Co.
Im glad I held off. ill be getting the 64Gb in time. Although I reckon Apple will have realised their mistake in not offering 128Gb once a lot of 16Gb units are returned.
 
its a pretty bad example for apple to set. you'd think they work out a way to get retina assets without such bloat (I realise in some apps they're adding other things too)
I think Apple set a bad example by being stupid enough to include new features in the updates so that people think now that the size increase was due to the retina display. Apple should have held back the new features for half a year to make people happy.
2-3x larger apps
I assume that pure retina updates in apps will cause an increase of somewhere between 0 and 20%.
 
App sizes are about 3x in size, I hope this doesn't translate into 3x RAM usage. I would love to see hard data comparing RAM usage in retina apps and non-retina apps.

If RAM usage is also about 3x, the iPad 2 will have on average more free ram than the new iPad.. hope that's not the case :(
 
For me, the upgrade to 1GB memory is at least as important as the retina display - in the long run probably even more important.

I don't actually see why apps should automatically get that much bigger. The only thing that will get bigger are any bitmap graphics embedded in the app, such as icons. And in most apps, embedded bitmap graphics make up only a fairly small part of the total size.

As I pointed out before, the size of iMovie grew due to additional media. And also the updates to the other apps were not just retina adaptations, but they also added some features.

And 2012 iPad is not a self-made up name?

Why not call it what Apple calls it? iPad (3rd Generation).


Really? You think apps size like games only fairly affected by Retina Display? So next HD Angry Birds will only 5MB bigger than what they have today? As I said features are also added, but bitmaps also contributes a lot to apps file size. And most selling apps on AppStore are games. How do you think Battlefield 3 weigh 15GB on PC? Most of them are filled by scripts? Really?

And about the naming. Sure 2012 iPad also a self-made up name. You think I'm an ignorant fool, right? But it is a better labelling system, just like Early 2011 MBP, or late 2009 iMac. Does Apple call them that way? NO! But they have so many iterations already for so many years you'd be confused if you don't label those by release year.

And now with iPad you only had 3 gens so far, how about 2 3 years from now? What would people call it? iPad 4S, iPad 5? Or iPad 5XS? Apple obviously doesn't interested in numbering anymore, simply called it "the new iPad" just like "the new Macbook Air". Thus, naming it by release year is simple and fool proof, your method of naming would render confusion and mistakes. Think about that!
 
I can tell you, this is going to suck for a lot of people running universal apps that are on pre-iPad 3 devices. A lot of wasted room and bloated app sizes for a lot of Retina Display images that they'll never see.

For someone running iMovie on an iPad 2 16GB or an iPhone 4S 16GB, 70MB was a decent app size to download and contend with on their device. 404MB for a iPad 3-ready version of that alone, multiplied by the number of other apps that will exponentially increase will equate to a lot of full devices with little room for media and data.

I would suspect they'll drop 16GB in future versions of iOS devices in favor of 32/64/128GB, but I will predict that this particular generation of users will experience a more difficult transition that previous generations.

Lastly, I am hoping iOS developers will take the high road and allow users to optionally download higher-res packs post-download from the App Store in order to keep their file sizes down. Users may end up purchasing and downloading less in order to keep the more wanted apps on their stuffed devices.
 
Seems a lot of people would ave benefited from a higher capacity 128Gb version. Seems Apple may have overlooked this option. I would have thought the 3rd Gen iPad would have started at 32Gb instead of 16Gb as surely the idea of Apple buying out that Israeli Flash storage company would have enabled them to pass on the savings to the consumer. Seems that having 100 billion in the bank just aint enough for Tim Cook and Co.
Im glad I held off. ill be getting the 64Gb in time. Although I reckon Apple will have realised their mistake in not offering 128Gb once a lot of 16Gb units are returned.

Uh... you realise that Apple just kept the price the same while putting in a really expensive screen right? Profit margains will likely be down on the third gen iPad as it is.

That said I suspect the problem isn't actually cost, more likely to be the availability of the relevant flash chips. For a 128Gb version, for instance, Apple would need to be able to secure a large quantity of 64Gb chips (the iPad uses a pair of storage chips as far as I know). If they can't guarantee they can do that then they can't ship 'em...
 
App sizes are about 3x in size,
I can't see that in general.

I hope this doesn't translate into 3x RAM usage.
I doubt that.

I would love to see hard data comparing RAM usage in retina apps and non-retina apps.
You will see that during the weekend.

If RAM usage is also about 3x, the iPad 2 will have on average more free ram than the new iPad.. hope that's not the case :(
I'm almost sure that this will not be the case. If anything then in retina optimized 3D-games but not while surfing the web or doing office stuff.
 
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It's baffling to me about how people complain about extra features on something. Like having Siri or a camera on board are crippling the device if they aren't used. Good picture opportunities happen fast very often and I like to have as many convenient cameras around a possible to make sure I don't miss something. Any one with kids knows what I mean.
 
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16 gb isn't going to go far at all anymore.
 
Still cannot see the point in using an iPad to take pictures....

The point is you're at the pool surfing or reading or what ever. Kids start doing something cool and your phone is a few feet away and your camera is in your bag. Flip up your iPad and shoot. I think it's silly for people to believe people will use this INSTEAD of other picture producing devices. They may not bring a camera (talking point n shoot not DSL, lets not be silly!) now because of iPhone and iPad. That situation is very plausible IMHO.
 
Really? You think apps size like games only fairly affected by Retina Display? So next HD Angry Birds will only 5MB bigger than what they have today? As I said features are also added, but bitmaps also contributes a lot to apps file size. And most selling apps on AppStore are games. How do you think Battlefield 3 weigh 15GB on PC? Most of them are filled by scripts? Really?
When I see a game on the iPad that has the huge amount of textures needed for creating a game like Battlefield 3, then I will agree. But I hope you are not comparing Angry Birds with Battlefield 3. A game like Angry Birds doesn't contain such a terribly huge amount of textures and bitmaps.

And non-games will be affected even less. I don't see why apps like Bento or iThoughts should suddenly double in size. In fact, an app like iThoughts will probably increase by a couple of kilobytes (mostly for the new higher resolution app icon).
And about the naming. Sure 2012 iPad also a self-made up name. You think I'm an ignorant fool, right?
No idea where you got that impression.
And now with iPad you only had 3 gens so far, how about 2 3 years from now? What would people call it? iPad 4S, iPad 5? Or iPad 5XS? Apple obviously doesn't interested in numbering anymore, simply called it "the new iPad" just like "the new Macbook Air". Thus, naming it by release year is simple and fool proof, your method of naming would render confusion and mistakes. Think about that!
Tell that to all the people who somehow manage to successfully sell devices named "iPod Nano 6th generation" on eBay without anyone getting confused.

Or tell it to Apple who is using this naming.
 
PS: Let's get used to call the new iPad as 2012 iPad instead of self-made up names like iPad 3 or iPad 2S :D

Maybe the iPad is without a number for this reason....

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/13/anonymous-samsung-executive-claims-apple-planning-to-launch-smaller-ipad-by-end-of-2012/

iPad 3 Mini would be a very awkward name.


I probably have to wait a few months to actually get My hands on one, as with all Apple stuff it's months later when new stuff gets here.
But looking at pictures it's quite amazing.

For those who ordered a 16-32 GB version and think it's too small, you can always cancel your order and re-order a bigger one.
 
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