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"Apple is leading the way in the adoption of sapphire"
Are you for real ?? Apple is NOT LEADING NOTHING !
The ONLY thing Apple are leading is it's own OS : iOS.. Nothing else..

Apple uses sapphire for the Touch ID home button as well as the camera lens already.
 
A bit like how Samsung (and others) started making larger screen phones. People bought more of them. Samsung became the largest smartphone manufacturer. Apple thought "Customers really like larger screens".

So they made the iPhone's screen larger.

And they're rumoured to be making it even larger again.

But that's not copying. Apparently.

I think Apple considered making larger screen phones, but they need to address a few problems in doing so:

Since apple is into user experience for its customers, larger screens make it harder to use one handed.

Larger screens are more complicated from the developers stand point adding to fragmentation. Thats why the screen size was chosen for the iPad mini as it would scale perfectly with existing applications.

Probably why they waited so long in implementing larger screens.


Samsung however, do tend to follow everything Apple does. Fingerprint scanner, rushed out to the next version of Galaxy phone regardless that much thought was put into it and does not work nearly as well as TouchID.

Apple uses sapphire for the Touch ID home button as well as the camera lens already.

Oops, forgot about home button.
 
Apple makes larger size mobile device anyway, before Samsung. It's called iPad and decades ago, Newton. But the software and concepts are different.

I was talking about phones, not tablets. Apple have stuck with the same sized iPhone screen for years, even declaring that it's the perfect size.

The only reason they're increasing the size of the screen is because they can see the gains other manufacturers are making over them.
 
1) LG/Samsung looked at stuff (allegedly)
2) LG/Samsung discounted use of stuff at that time due to production cost / rejection rate / whatever
3) Apple appear to think they've overcome production cost / rejection rate / whatever problems
4) In light of 3), LG/Samsung decide to re-look at stuff

What's the problem here? My outrage-o-meter is registering about 0.03.

Samsung is literally pure evil and anything that anyone can use to yell at them and praise Apple is wonderful.
 
A bit like how Samsung (and others) started making larger screen phones. People bought more of them. Samsung became the largest smartphone manufacturer. Apple thought "Customers really like larger screens".

So they made the iPhone's screen larger.

And they're rumoured to be making it even larger again.

But that's not copying. Apparently.

It is true that all companies get whatever is working for the others and adapt it. The difference I see here and some other cases is that, it is not a proven concept just yet.
 
A bit like how Samsung (and others) started making larger screen phones. People bought more of them. Samsung became the largest smartphone manufacturer. Apple thought "Customers really like larger screens".

So they made the iPhone's screen larger.

And they're rumoured to be making it even larger again.

But that's not copying. Apparently.

Exactly. What do these utter morons think you do in business, make things you know consumers don't like?
All manufacturers of anything are desperate to know what a potential buyer wants. If they see anything that seems to be popular, or course you want to offer that.

Could be a restaurant, a hair salon, a car maker, a fitness club or a phone maker. You want to make what people want to buy.

Why don't some people understand this?
 
I was talking about phones, not tablets. Apple have stuck with the same sized iPhone screen for years, even declaring that it's the perfect size.

The only reason they're increasing the size of the screen is because they can see the gains other manufacturers are making over them.

No difference. Stick a baseband chip to an iPad and it can make phone calls. Stick a baseband chip to a car, and it can also make phone call.

Like I said, the software makes the concept different even if the screen size is the same.

And you're wrong about Apple copying Xerox.
 
"Apple is leading the way in the adoption of sapphire"
Are you for real ?? Apple is NOT LEADING NOTHING !
The ONLY thing Apple are leading is it's own OS : iOS.. Nothing else..

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Fingerprint scanner, rushed out to the next version of Galaxy phone regardless that much thought was put into it and does not work nearly as well as TouchID.

Whilst I generally think Samsung are just doing what any business would do (Apple included), I do agree with this one. It is quite farcical - rushed and so poor in comparison, it does show-up Samsung.
 
What's the point of sapphire on the iPhone? The iPhone has always been scratch proof (at least since the iPhone 3G). I always carried my iPhone 4 and now iPhone 5s in the same pocket as my keys. I can even press my keys against the screen and rub, it doesn't do anything.
What's the advantage of sapphire then?
 
Exactly. What do these utter morons think you do in business, make things you know consumers don't like?
All manufacturers of anything are desperate to know what a potential buyer wants. If they see anything that seems to be popular, or course you want to offer that.

Could be a restaurant, a hair salon, a car maker, a fitness club or a phone maker. You want to make what people want to buy.

Why don't some people understand this?

They understand this. But it's Samsung's history of copying that reinforce their copycat image. They also got sued by other companies everywhere for the same reason.

Even for a hair salon, if you copy the look of the store, and name it similarly. Like S5 Salon vs 5S Salon, you can bet that you'll get sued.

Besides many of your examples are commodities. We are talking about hitech.
 
Apple isn't really "leading the way" until they produce a product with it, right?

Nope, as long as an Apple rumor sight mentioned it then Apple invented it and marketed it and patented it first and no other company has claim to it ever.

I am surprised folks aren't saying Apple invented glass . . . . or carbon for that matter.
 
Whilst I generally think Samsung are just doing what any business would do (Apple included), I do agree with this one. It is quite farcical - rushed and so poor in comparison, it does show-up Samsung.

No. Samsung copy MORE than any other companies. It's their DNA. Look at other Samsung lawsuits.
 
I'm still highly skeptical that the AZ plants are going to be able to crank out pristine 4.7" and 5.5" sapphire displays in the massive volumes needed by Apple for the iPhone 6.

I expect that the first product we will see this used in is the iWatch with the sapphire glass being a major upgrade motivator for the 6S... the "S" in 6S will stand for sapphire.

Remember that tech pundits were convinced that liquid-metal would be used for iPhone frames in the 1-2 years following Apple's acquisition of that technology, and it still has not happened over 4 years later.

All true. Apple does have the advantage in that it has bought its way in and a plant is already up doing "something". Samsung and LG can seek help, but it probably won't be from GT Advanced Technologies.
 
No difference. Stick a baseband chip to an iPad and it can make phone calls. Stick a baseband chip to a car, and it can also make phone call.

I'm not even sure how to argue with that.

I wasn't comparing the iPhone to iPads or cars, I was comparing it to other phones. And it was in response to someone's comment about sunroofs.

My point is that Apple are only increasing the size of the iPhone's screen because other manufacturer's phones whose screens are larger than that of the iPhone are selling in greater numbers causing Apple's market share to fall.

And you're wrong about Apple copying Xerox.

So did I completely make that up? Sure I heard a story like that on a documentary sometime. But maybe I could certainly be confused.
 
And you're wrong about Apple copying Xerox.

Apple gathered the ideas for the GUI of Lisa (to become Macintosh) from what Steve and the others saw when they visited Xerox PARC. The GUI on their system was used as the framework for developing the windowed, multifinder interface of the Macintosh and Lisa system. The hand-controlled mouse was something developed by Xerox that was implemented with the Lisa and Macintosh, and still used to this day. Apple's mouse was a 1-button mouse, while Xerox's mouse had 3 buttons.

Apple did not "copy" Xerox, they were given permission to see their systems to gather ideas for the Macintosh and Lisa projects, which Apple was developing. The ideas and technology that was seen at Xerox were adapted, and the innovations became part of the framework for the Macintosh/Lisa project...innovations that to this day Apple gets most of the credit, not Xerox. Apple made a system that was simple, elegant, and easy to use....produced in mass numbers, and revolutionized the personal computing industry with this product...the Macintosh.
 
I'm not even sure how to argue with that.

I wasn't comparing the iPhone to iPads or cars, I was comparing it to other phones. And it was in response to someone's comment about sunroofs.

My point is that Apple are only increasing the size of the iPhone's screen because other manufacturer's phones whose screens are larger than that of the iPhone are selling in greater numbers causing Apple's market share to fall.

No. Apple will increase screen size if it thinks there are real value. Even if other competitors backed off, they may still go ahead. Like this Sapphire venture.

Even if other competitors are in, they may not join in if they see no value. Look at the last NetBook fad.

So did I completely make that up? Sure I heard a story like that on a documentary sometime. But maybe I could certainly be confused.

Check my earlier post. You only got partial info out of the event and misrepresented it.

You can hear about many things, doesn't mean it's all true especially from the media and Internet.


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That's exactly what I meant. The Apple mouse was also much more reliable than that $300 mouse. And Apple invented a whole new UI and desktop metaphor compared to Xerox's implementation. The end product was vastly different when you put them side by side.

In Samsung's case, they tried to make them identical in every way until Apple sued.

The cultofmac writer had his own view and only cherry picked a single point to make it look like Apple stole from Xerox. FWIW, they gained a click through from you.
 
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Sometimes I think Apple floats these types of rumors as a prank, to see how long it takes Samsung to copy the idea.

I really wish they would.

Let it slip that the iPhone 7 is going to be made from Pykrete and see how long it takes Samsung to do it.

Having done something similar, it's a fantastic feeling when it pays off!
 
Not an expert, but my assumption was that sapphire would be a very thin coating on top of the gorilla glass rather than a replacement. Best of both worlds.
 
Exactly. What do these utter morons think you do in business, make things you know consumers don't like?
All manufacturers of anything are desperate to know what a potential buyer wants. If they see anything that seems to be popular, or course you want to offer that.

Could be a restaurant, a hair salon, a car maker, a fitness club or a phone maker. You want to make what people want to buy.

Why don't some people understand this?

In many cases its what people will...think...they will like. I hear people all day saying they want, this or that, but don't have any concept of design or technical challenges that incorporates. Or even if they will like it once it comes to market.

Take screen size for instance. I'm sure most are looking for a larger screen. But right now looking at current trends and surveys 4.7-5.0 is right about the biggest that most people want with a drop off of anything larger. Apples only marginally off that size right now.
 
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