It's the OS that keeps some users away from these devices.
But yes - I agree!
Competition is always great - hope to see some proper OS-es coming as well in the future.
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But yes - I agree!
Competition is always great - hope to see some proper OS-es coming as well in the future.
I find it rich that they think they can go toe to toe with Apple’s chips. Apple has some of the best CPU cores in the industry. There’s no way Oppo is suddenly going to compete with Apple for hardware performance, no way to go from 0 to 100, just like that. And the A series has been under development for over 10 years at this point, it’s had over 12 years of commercial releases to ramp up performance. (It’s probably closer to 15 years, if we assume Apple began work on the A4 during the iPad’s development cycle, which it likely did.) Xiaomi and Oppo both seem to be writing performance and quality checks their companies probably can’t cash in their goal of claiming to be the next Apple.
Never mind the fact that, if they really want to deliver an Apple-like experience, they’re gonna have to either fork Android and seriously customize it for their phones, or they’ll have to find a different OS to use. And, what’s more, they’ll have to support devices for much longer than they’re used to. Apple generally supports the latest phone with post-release software updates for four to five years, which is a mindset I absolutely don’t see Chinese firms adopting.
Besides, how many times have we seen companies call their new products iPhone killers, iPad killers, iPod killers, etc.? And companies that claim to be following Apple (perhaps the Apple of another industry)? And yet Apple persists, while these firms fail. There’s something in their products and corporate DNA that’s uniquely Apple, that can’t just be copied, even if you’re willing to create your own chips and your own software. Besides, attempting to copy Apple is no way to get out of the Apple knock off ghetto, it really just cements your phone as the phone to buy if you can’t afford an iPhone (ask Samsung how that’s worked out for them) or if you absolutely want Android (and then, the company has the albatross of Android* around their neck).
* How’s Android an albatross around their neck? Generally, you can’t really optimize Android for your custom hardware nearly as well as Apple can iOS. Even if you could, Oppo is mostly a hardware firm, they’d have to suddenly get really good at custom software. And since Android targets low end to mid range to high end phones equally, if your custom hardware can’t deliver superior performance at MediaTek prices and Android software and apps don’t take advantage of your custom hardware, there’s little reason to buy your $1000 OneMate branded phone over a mid-range Samsung model or the latest Pixel phone.
Never mind the fact that, if they really want to deliver an Apple-like experience, they’re gonna have to either fork Android and seriously customize it for their phones, or they’ll have to find a different OS to use. And, what’s more, they’ll have to support devices for much longer than they’re used to. Apple generally supports the latest phone with post-release software updates for four to five years, which is a mindset I absolutely don’t see Chinese firms adopting.
Besides, how many times have we seen companies call their new products iPhone killers, iPad killers, iPod killers, etc.? And companies that claim to be following Apple (perhaps the Apple of another industry)? And yet Apple persists, while these firms fail. There’s something in their products and corporate DNA that’s uniquely Apple, that can’t just be copied, even if you’re willing to create your own chips and your own software. Besides, attempting to copy Apple is no way to get out of the Apple knock off ghetto, it really just cements your phone as the phone to buy if you can’t afford an iPhone (ask Samsung how that’s worked out for them) or if you absolutely want Android (and then, the company has the albatross of Android* around their neck).
* How’s Android an albatross around their neck? Generally, you can’t really optimize Android for your custom hardware nearly as well as Apple can iOS. Even if you could, Oppo is mostly a hardware firm, they’d have to suddenly get really good at custom software. And since Android targets low end to mid range to high end phones equally, if your custom hardware can’t deliver superior performance at MediaTek prices and Android software and apps don’t take advantage of your custom hardware, there’s little reason to buy your $1000 OneMate branded phone over a mid-range Samsung model or the latest Pixel phone.
Well in reality actually. If I bought an Oppo phone (which would be dumb), it would be built to the Chinese company standards and specifications, with the Chinese-built software. Buying an Apple device, it's not designed in China, it doesn't run Chinese-built software. Both phones just happen to be made in China.
Designed by Apple in California. It's on every box. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Samsung if you want to surpass Apple in SoC segment, you need to take Johny Srouji like Apple did when he was at Intel
Most Exynos SoCs are just ARM Cortex-based, so they couldn't possibly be a rival.
Do you think the engineers are Apple, who are not in China, spend most of their day solving Sudoku puzzles?
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So, to clarify. I'm not saying "Chinese engineers are dumb". I'm saying Apple has completely separate engineering teams from those of their suppliers in south east Asia (Foxconn, Quanta, etc.).
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With how exynos has been over the years it’s hard to truely trust Samsung with this
Why am I not surprised so many are so quick to shift the goalposts? ? Excuses, excuses.
Bottom line is Apple is happy to copy from others too, when it can get away with it, as others have already said. Samsung is more blatant about it, but if you think Apple never does this, I have a good deal on a bridge in New York I can sell you.
Also, is Samsung really entering a partnership with Oppo? Isn’t that basically suicide for Samsung? For years, they’ve been fending off attacks from Xiaomi, Oppo, and Huahwei (or however you spell it) for the low end and increasingly the high end high margin markets. Basically, Samsung is saying that they can’t compete with Apple on the high end but can’t compete with Oppo and the like on price at their high end. I think this partnership isn’t going to help Samsung much, unless maybe they’re looking for cover to get out of the consumer smartphone business entirely and become just a supplier.
Where does it say Samsung is partnering with Oppo?
And both equally propping up the economy of China. But it says Apple on the box, so it's OK. Don't delude yourself.
It's not remotely an excuse, and it's not a goal post shift at all. It's a poor understanding on your part.
Oh for sure, wasn't ever going to deny that it's supporting China. Still doesn't make it a Chinese phone though.
But if you want to move goalposts to suit yourself, that's fine! ???
The mocking isn't the issue. The real issue here is the tremendously long sighted bet on vertical integration and designing chips to work specifically with your own operating systems in ways you can't achieve with buying generic chips. What was a disadvantage back in the early 2000s with their reliance on Motorola/IBM PowerPC chips, the migration to Intel (thus losing a bit of differentiation with Windows PCs)...is now a huge advantage for Apple. Not just the phones, but now the computers.
While there are some instances where the Intel/NVIDIA chips are still superior (assuming you don't mind drawing 600 watts of power)...the fact that Apple can design those neural engines, ProRes encoders, etc while simultaneously integrating the capabilities into the operating system...it is going to take a huge amount of cooperation among preciously selfish companies to compete.
I think the gap is only going to widen for a while.
Propping up? So international trade is bad? I agree it can be at times, but good luck fighting the capitalism at system that sends low skill jobs to the cheapest country.
Just a thought here, but have you considered that there is a chance that you don't actually know everything, and that it's okay to have a debate or conversation without resorting to personal attacks? Put forward your thoughts and opinions, have a constructive conversation, and don't invalidate everyone else.
Your comments including things like "just poor understanding on your part", "Whoever made that example is inept." "you don't understand", "doesn't invalidate the FACTS that I posted", "I don't indulge people who are objectively wrong", "I'm not having this conversation." show that you are just an ignorant and downright rude person. I don't know why mods have tolerated you.
Same was the A8 and A9 and A10...and still samsung was behind...
Samsung tried to build their own badaOS...failed...their own SoC exynos failed
It is not a personal attack to tell someone they're wrong. I'm not here to coddle people who are wrong. Also did not call any macumors member "inept", that was clearly directed at the person who made the ridiculous YouTube video.
Stop being so sensitive about being wrong.