1. It’s relevant in the context of the conversation.
2. It’s marketing 101. You don’t give free press to weaker competitors. Apple only stopped once they became a leader in the eyes of the public.
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Samsung and Oppo Seek to Rival iPhone A-Series Chips With Custom Designs and TSMC Fabrication
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2. It’s marketing 101. You don’t give free press to weaker competitors. Apple only stopped once they became a leader in the eyes of the public.
Correct. Samsung is already the world's biggest smartphone brand. Apple has the most profits though.
I love the mental gymnastics Apple fans do when Apple backtracks on things. I wonder if their heads would explode if Apple brought back the headphone jack? Or let you easily change a MacBook's battery? Perhaps even using a USB-C port on your phone so you can connect it to a USB-C port on your MacBook? Perhaps the Macrumors community would prefer it if Apple ditched all the USB-C ports on their computers and put in the Lighting port instead so you don't use dongles to connect all your Apple devices? Or how about putting that lighting port in the Magic Mouse into the front and instead making it also a USB-C port?
I really don't understand why corporate cheerleading is more important than common sense around here?
I finally bit the bullet and picked up an Moto G Pure running Android, specifically for testing purposes of my web apps. For a sub-$400 phone, it works really well. Feels solid, good battery life. But then I grab my iPhone and remember why Apple's software design is just that much better. Android users really don't know what they don't know.
So, Samsung provides more bang for the buck? Because Samsung is able to sell more phones with less profit.
Easy to do those comparisons with a surface-deep commentary. But that comparison completely misses the point.
Steve Jobs was talking about a stylus as a "required input device" because screens were so small and the user interfaces were not "finger-friendly". That's exactly what he was highlighting, and he was correct.
Apple Pencil is not a mandatory input device, but an add-on that brings value to the input experience. The user interface is still finger-friendly, with or without the stylus. That's the difference.
I… what?
You either deliberately or inadvertently completely misunderstood my post.
If they have a product even remotely close to an iPhone in build quality, desirability, ecosystem and cpu speed in let us say five years, please come back and quote me and say “Told you so!”. I’ll happily take that loss. I would love to see more real top tier competition, it is good for everybody. Millions of phones sold in China does not count. You and me, here at MacRumors, should be tempted and seriously see the phone as a possible choice over a new iPhone. That is what these companies say that they will achieve, and I challenge that.
I mean, you realize Steve was talking in the context of the 3.5" phone screen as a stylus being bundled and being required for all input, vs a 10" tablet having an optional accessory for drawing? You did see the pictures they had up behind them?
That's what I was thinking too... wasn't Samsung making the screens that went into Apple's iPhones?
Yes. Samsung developed the displays for the iPhone X when face ID was first launched in 2017
Samsung and Oppo are planning to transition to custom silicon chips to rival Apple's A-series chips in the iPhone, according to recent reports.
Earlier this year, Chinese smartphone brand Oppo launched its first custom silicon chip, the MariSilicon X image processor, in the Find X5. Now, the company's chip design team is developing an application processor (AP) and an entire custom System on Chip (SoC) for future Oppo devices, IT Home reports. Like Apple's custom silicon chips, Oppo is looking to TSMC to manufacture its chips.
IT Home suggests that Oppo will launch its custom AP, manufactured with TSMC's 6nm process, in 2023. This will reportedly be followed by a full SoC, integrating the AP and modem, manufactured with TSMC's 4nm process, in 2024. The chips may not be comparable to offerings from Qualcomm and Mediatek in terms of efficiency and fabrication processes, but they could be adopted in entry-level mobile products first before increasing market penetration over time.
Meanwhile, iNews 24 reports that Samsung smartphone chief Roh Tae-moon told a company town hall meeting that "we will make an AP unique to the Galaxy." The push toward custom silicon chips is reportedly being driven by GPS issues and poor thermal performance caused by the Exynos 2200 chip in Samsung's latest Galaxy S22 series of smartphones. Samsung hopes that it will be able to mirror Apple in taking multiple considerations into account with its custom chips instead simply of putting performance at the forefront.
The movement is seemingly part of a trend of increasing ambition from Android smartphone brands to rival Apple more directly and become the world's biggest smartphone brand, with Oppo laying out plans to aggressively compete in the high-end smartphone market and Xiaomi pledging a "war of life and death" against Apple.
Article Link: Samsung and Oppo Seek to Rival iPhone A-Series Chips With Custom Designs and TSMC Fabrication
By the time the first ones roll off the assembly line Apple will be a full generation down the road. There’s no catching them anytime soon.
Very much this. He was talking at a time when a big competitor was Palm, which was intended to be operated only with a stylus (you could use a fingernail, but it was risky and a bad experience on a resistive touch screen). He was saying you should be able to carry a phone that doesn't require a stylus in order to work (and if it did, that was a non-starter), not that a stylus was always a bad idea. Right tool for the job - Apple Pencil is great, if you're drawing something on an iPad. And, frankly, you don't have to be very smart to understand the difference - the person who made the example was either inept or disingenuous (or both).
Not 5 years, would probably take 10 years for what you outlined from 2020, that’s since the trade war. (2030)
For a full replacement of the US-pioneered (including partners and allies) semiconductor industry supply line, i.e., from ASML to TSMC, etc., it would take around 15 years. (2035)
By this time China should be the leader in semiconductors, like it is now in battery, solar cells, etc.
I switched to Android in late-2017 after 10 years of iOS. Thought it was just a temporary experiment to change it up. Turns out, it’s pretty great, I have yet to go back and have little desire to do so. Have had about 4 Android phones since then to try out all varieties and these weren’t low-end devices. I test drove an 13 Pro last September for a month and it was… fine. Then I promptly returned when the time came and ordered a Pixel 6 Pro a couple weeks later.
“Awful experience” is purely subjective but my experience is that the rhetoric your trying to push is completely false in most cases. I will not tolerate using junk or compromise my personal technological experiences.
Privacy is a personal decision that I just won’t get into, I’ll just say this: I’ll gladly give some up for a phone as smart and convenient as the one I have now. Maybe one day if Apple ever does something to spice up their utterly stagnant OS, I may give it a shot again. Until then, I’m good.
Aha, you made your comment about the Chinese phone thing. Will take your comment as you bowing out, since you failed to point out where I was wrong. Says a lot about the kind of person you are too.