Samsung and Oppo Seek to Rival iPhone A-Series Chips With Custom Designs and TSMC Fabrication

This is just me, but I have a feeling they didn't start working on this yesterday :) None of us, have any idea what the tech crews and chip designers at all of these companies have been and are working on. Most of us, not in the know, didn't see Apple making and using there own chips especially in computers 5 years ago. It was rumored, but many on this site said no. I think Oppo and Samsung and maybe others have been working on there own chips. None of us know, but my take from most of life is, we don't know how ignorant we are.
 
Macative said:
In your mind perhaps. Whatever it takes.
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I see a difference, too. Chinese-designed products quite often have corners cut, such as cheap power adapters that don't have safety circuits in order to keep cost down. So yes, there is a difference, as we *know* that Apple designs are thoughtful, not rushed for pure profit.
 
Let them be.

Samsung tried with their Mongoose core, and they ditched it, opting for standard ARM cores. And now they are going back at it again?
And Oppo, a company that merely relies on marketing and celebrity endorsement? I don't think they even have any real chip designers in their company.

It took Apple how long from the A4 to M1? And these companies are just planning to start now? Well, good luck with that, and let's see what they come up with in... I dunno... 10 years or so? :D

Xiaomi tried, and then abandoned theirs (many argued because Hugo Bara left the company).
www.gsmarena.com

Xiaomi reportedly abandons work on its custom chipsets

Remember the Surge S1? Probably not, since it only powered one phone. An industry insider claims that Xiaomi has abandoned its in-house chipset project...
www.gsmarena.com www.gsmarena.com

Microsoft also tried, and seemingly abandoned theirs as well. Designing your own chip is not that simple, and you cannot just throw in money and expect magic. They need their Johny Srouji. Can they actually attract someone like Srouji to work for them?
 
Danfango said:
It's not the chips they want to fix. That's just strapping a horn to a donkey and calling it a unicorn.

It's the awful android experience, poor security, poor privacy, poor lifespan and dubious support network that needs fixing before I'd even consider looking at it.
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True, but I think that's all across the Android world
 
I'm not sure if it will actually work. For one reason: the design of Android itself does not lend for the very fastest performance like the close optimization between iOS and the A-series SoC.
 
I’m sorry and I do wish Samsung the best of luck in this endeavor but it will not not change my buying decisions I will still be buying Apple products.
 
Wow just stop, as if the fracturing wasn't bad enough at the operating system level now they want to do it under the hood with custom chips?
 
Unggoy Murderer said:
Well in reality actually. If I bought an Oppo phone (which would be dumb), it would be built to the Chinese company standards and specifications, with the Chinese-built software. Buying an Apple device, it's not designed in China, it doesn't run Chinese-built software. Both phones just happen to be made in China.

Designed by Apple in California. It's on every box. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Go watch the front door of Apple and tell me how many Chinese engineers work there.
 
h3ysw5nkan said:
Not 5 years, would probably take 10 years for what you outlined from 2020, that’s since the trade war. (2030)

For a full replacement of the US-pioneered (including partners and allies) semiconductor industry supply line, i.e., from ASML to TSMC, etc., it would take around 15 years. (2035)

By this time China should be the leader in semiconductors, like it is now in battery, solar cells, etc.
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For day-to-day use many Chinese phones have long been equivalent to iPhone, at a much better price point, which is exactly why they are popular in many wealthy western places like the EU.

You guys are the BMW enthusiast club making fun of the masses driving Toyotas, when the masses just think you are desperate nerds since they realize there is more to life than phone cpu speed.
 
h3ysw5nkan said:
“Who wants a stylus?”
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Where is the iPhone stylus from Apple?

If we are quoting 2007 & remaining in context (smartphones), please point to where in 2022 Apple has released a stylus or being even more lenient, made their existing stylus compatible with the exact line Steve Jobs was referring to in said quote?
 
mjs916 said:
Where is the iPhone stylus from Apple?

If we are quoting 2007 & remaining in context (smartphones), please point to where in 2022 Apple has released a stylus or being even more lenient, made their existing stylus compatible with the exact line Steve Jobs was referring to in said quote?
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Must be fun at parties
 
Random_Matt said:
I thought Exynos was custom. Guess Google has the leg up on rivals. Secondly, Oppo could have the fastest chip on the planet, but I would not buy a Chinese phone.
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There are over a billion people just in China who will buy a Chinese phone. What’s your point?
 
EugW said:
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Not sure why people think this is a thing... There's a huge difference between needing a stylus in order to use the device, which is what Steve was talking about, versus having one as tool for writing and drawing, which is what Apple designed the Pencil for. (It's even in the name.)

Furthermore, the Pencil isn't even supported on the iPhone.... yet.
 
Johns12 said:
This is just me, but I have a feeling they didn't start working on this yesterday :) None of us, have any idea what the tech crews and chip designers at all of these companies have been and are working on. Most of us, not in the know, didn't see Apple making and using there own chips especially in computers 5 years ago. It was rumored, but many on this site said no. I think Oppo and Samsung and maybe others have been working on there own chips. None of us know, but my take from most of life is, we don't know how ignorant we are.
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Most technology companies like to toot their horns long before they actually make an attempt to implement. Apple is the opposite and prefers to keep their technology under wraps until it is ready to be released.
 
williedigital said:
You guys are the BMW enthusiast club making fun of the masses driving Toyotas, when the masses just think you are desperate nerds since they realize there is more to life than phone cpu speed.
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Ugh, a car analogy... It is simple minded to think that having a very good CPU(SoC) is only about speed. I would say it is more about efficiency and the product's longevity. Apple doesn't tout "performance", they boast about "performance per watt", which means efficiency.
 
obviouslogic said:
Most technology companies like to toot their horns long before they actually make an attempt to implement. Apple is the opposite and prefers to keep their technology under wraps until it is ready to be released.
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You may be right. I find it amazing that any company would make these kind of statements with no work being started. That just seems bazaar to me.
 
obviouslogic said:
Ugh, a car analogy... It is simple minded to think that having a very good CPU(SoC) is only about speed. I would say it is more about efficiency and the product's longevity. Apple doesn't tout "performance", they boast about "performance per watt", which means efficiency.
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I guess. It's pretty easy to Google image search photos of Apple execs standing in front of slides touting pure power. And in the end, it just doesn't matter. Benchmarks show Apple SOCs at most 20% more efficient than competitors and the SOC is a relatively small power consumer compared to other components (screen, etc.). So yeah, the iphone will theoretically remain at 10% while the Samsung has given up the ghost, but how often are you really draining your battery that low over the lifetime of owning the phone. I get it if this was 2013 or something, but these days the differences between platforms is truly marginal, though the costs aren't.
 
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