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Last at their own game?

The 15" rMBP is still highest-resolution laptop on the market after almost a year of availability.

Most of your posts seem like trolling. Apple has flaws but being last in the display game is not one of them. IMO they are first by a very long shot.

Yeah, and so are companies like Porsche, BMW and, of course, Mercedes. And then it takes a good time until the technologies become affordable for "the rest of us".

In other words: It doesn't matter if Apple has had these features a million years ago, because those features only become truly relevant when they hit the living rooms and offices of the user base that represents the 90+ percent market share...
 
Yeah, and so are companies like Porsche, BMW and, of course, Mercedes. And then it takes a good time until the technologies become affordable for "the rest of us".

In other words: It doesn't matter if Apple has had these features a million years ago, because those features only become truly relevant when they hit the living rooms and offices of the user base that represents the 90+ percent market share...

Agreed, and more to the point that matters: it's not like Retina is standard on all Apple laptops at last year's price. Apple could put in a new expensive tech that Sony developed for them, charge the end user another $1000 for it and claim to be first.

That doesn't mean anything until it's ubiquitous.

I, as a consumer, have no use for concepting, designing, R&Ding or "much of anything"ing, only for actually buying and using something.

What Samsung or anybody did before I put my card in the POS and typed in the PIN to pay for something is not really my concern. The only thing I know and care about is that Apple got me a Retina class display in a widely available consumer product first. Be it the iPhone, iPad or MBP.

All of them can showcase concepts and prototypes at trade shows, if they don't get it to market (me), they might as well not exist, my life would be exactly the same.

SOOOOOOOO

Where do you think Apple got the idea to use a HDPI display in a laptop? They didn't just go to Samsung and say, "Make us a HDPI display so we can brand it Retina and take all of the credit."

Samsung and LG made the tech, Apple licensed it and branded it Retina.

If you want to claim being a consumer that doesn't think about where the tech comes from that's perfectly fine, but chiming in on comments with opinions doesn't dispute the facts. The tech industry that you choose to be blind to has been talking about 2k, 4k, and 5k resolutions for almost a decade now. These resolutions aren't new.

As for putting it in your hands first . . . . that's moot. You just had the money. Most manufacturers may not be too interested in charging you $2700 for a laptop that you can get for $1500. A 15" laptop with 1920x1200 resolution has been around for some years, Apple upped the ante and the price, and you paid for it. It's really that simple.
 
As for putting it in your hands first . . . . that's moot. You just had the money. Most manufacturers may not be too interested in charging you $2700 for a laptop that you can get for $1500. A 15" laptop with 1920x1200 resolution has been around for some years, Apple upped the ante and the price, and you paid for it. It's really that simple.

And dare I say (and this isn't about the poster you're speaking to specifically) I would guess that some people here wouldn't dream of buying a non-Apple PC or device - and tech in other devices go "unnoticed" because the product might be dismissed by them - or simply isn't on their radar.

I have little idea what the most recent DSLR's have because I bought mine 6 months ago. I also have little idea what Samsung or Olympus have in way of features on their cameras because for me it was a two horse race - Canon or Nikon.

Not because I hate or would never buy the other stuff. It was just my preference and that I narrowed down my choices.

Same thing here. I would guess a lot of people here really care about what Apple's doing. Pay attention to the industry as it affects Apple - but a lot gets filtered out.

It's the only way you can explain some ignorant (true definition of the word) posts.
 
Impossible. "Retina" is an Apple Trademark. By definition, Retina displays can't become mainstream, since only one company produces them.

Perhaps MacRumors means "2560x1440" or "2560x1700" or "next generation high res" or something else, but not "Retina"

Retina is only apple's name for a certain ppi for each device determined by them. Even if the name could be used it, which it cannot, it would not apply as these are not exactly that ppi.

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Does this indicate that we could possibly even see a higher PPI rMBP soon? If Apple are going to compete with these sort of products properly?

I would be surprised as then it would no longer br retina and that would be the end of that trademarked word. They have determined retina to be the exact dpi where it's at. Anything lower or higher would not be retina.
 
And dare I say (and this isn't about the poster you're speaking to specifically) I would guess that some people here wouldn't dream of buying a non-Apple PC or device - and tech in other devices go "unnoticed" because the product might be dismissed by them - or simply isn't on their radar.

I have little idea what the most recent DSLR's have because I bought mine 6 months ago. I also have little idea what Samsung or Olympus have in way of features on their cameras because for me it was a two horse race - Canon or Nikon.

Not because I hate or would never buy the other stuff. It was just my preference and that I narrowed down my choices.

Same thing here. I would guess a lot of people here really care about what Apple's doing. Pay attention to the industry as it affects Apple - but a lot gets filtered out.

It's the only way you can explain some ignorant (true definition of the word) posts.

You're totally right and sadly I get giddy when I read comments like this. It puts much more on the table to discuss.

The DSLR industry is a good point. The tech doesn't change much, and by the time one maker has a certain tech the others will have it in their next revision. Sure Nikon may have had the D90 first, but Canon PWNS the HDSLR market (Nikon shoot talking here).

Apple indeed has a drool worthy MBP, but they weren't first to market with a high resolution (by relative standards, e.g. 1920x1200 on a 15" laptop in 2008) display. The rMBP has raised the bar though.

It's just a bit nerve racking that some defend false info.
 
Like flat panels, eventually all displays will be like this. It's one of the best innovations of late in computing.
 
The scaling is a real issue. There is no real support for the HiDPI mode in Windows 8 yet unfortunately from software developers. I had tried to run Windows 7 at 200% DPI but it doesn't look very good other than the initial desktop.



They haven't announced any laptop, they just demoed displays that could eventually be used for laptops.

Samsung demoed a 2,560x1,440 Series 9 prototype last year as well and it never became and actual product. Same thing with Sharp.



Just the Metro part. Desktop scaling is still broken. Most apps will either have their layout broken, get inconsistent scaling, or have no scaling at all. Even preinstalled Microsoft apps have issues, and third-party support is almost inexistent, including major browsers.
 
This means that Apple's retina screens were a gimmick too, right? lol.

IMHO this isn't just great news, this is great news that should've happened years ago. You can still buy brand new 15" 1366x768 laptops! That's friggin disgusting ><

The gimmicky thing about the Chromebook is this stupid cloud and super restricted OS business.

While I agree that it is ridiculous that most computer display are lagging while tablets and phones are getting incredible displays (that few besides Apple really get software to take advantage of), there is a physical point at which most people can't discernate 2 pixels further from a certain distance...

Exemple, for a human being with a great visual acuity of one minute of arc (most of us don't) the distance at which they start being able to discern pixels is (in cm)...

Samsung Galaxy IV (best PPI at 440.58 in a phone) : 19.82cm (That's VERY close to your EYE even for a phone)
Samsung 13.3" display mentioned in the article (276.05 PPI) : 31.63cm
ChromeBook Pixel (239.15 PPI) : 36.51cm

Apples devices :
iPhone 5 (326.05 PPI) : 26.78cm
ret iPad (263.92 PPI) : 33.09cm
ret MBPro 15" (220.53 PPI) : 39.59cm
iMac 27" (108.79 PPI) : 80.27cm

If you look at all these cases you'll realise those devices tend to be further away when you use them, and that's not even talking about the fact that people tend to have crappier eyesight (sometimes due to the fact that a lot of us sit in front of a crappy computer screen all day).
 
Same reason why all smartphones look like iPhones and tablets look like iPads. ;)

Agreed! Because once you go with a certain shape/form factor there's nothing much you can do with it besides shave a mm off here and there.

Apple's laptops are top notch IMHO, but, "everyone copying the design," is a bit moot in most cases. There are some exceptions, but mostly on the consumer end. The professional, top notch products of most manufacturers break away from Apple's design . . . and are better for it.
 
There are already some 4k TV's in the $1500 price range.

What size are those?
I am hoping to upgrade from my 30" Dell 2560x1600 display, so 32" (or larger) Apple TV, iMac or third party monitor/tv with even higher resolution is what I need. I watch it from <1 meter for work, browsing etc and ~3 meters for movies.
 
Just another "I can do it too" gimmick.

I don't think you understand your own words. Someone was first to 1080 or 1920x1200 on a notebook too, and no one assumed it would just stay as it was forever. Apple's standard resolutions are pretty low on the cMBP, especially considering its pricing. In a few years, this will just be normal resolution. I have personally wanted to see higher resolution at a 21-24" display level for a number of years. It's a comfortable amount of real estate to scan, yet it doesn't hold enough pixels.


You're totally right and sadly I get giddy when I read comments like this. It puts much more on the table to discuss.

The DSLR industry is a good point. The tech doesn't change much, and by the time one maker has a certain tech the others will have it in their next revision. Sure Nikon may have had the D90 first, but Canon PWNS the HDSLR market (Nikon shoot talking here).

Apple indeed has a drool worthy MBP, but they weren't first to market with a high resolution (by relative standards, e.g. 1920x1200 on a 15" laptop in 2008) display. The rMBP has raised the bar though.

It's just a bit nerve racking that some defend false info.

The dslr industry has a lot of concurrent development and similar chip designs used in different models. I wish they would use more of them without low pass/AA filters like medium format digital has for years.
 
But it can only be used as a browser and Google's own widgets...

If its only a browser, than why spend that price?

I concur, Apple shoould have had this display.
 
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Last at their own game?

The 15" rMBP is still highest-resolution laptop on the market after almost a year of availability.

Most of your posts seem like trolling. Apple has flaws but being last in the display game is not one of them. IMO they are first by a very long shot.

Agreed. Most laptop screens cannot be seen unless you're right in front of them. Macs have had wide viewing angles for years.
 
Yeah, and so are companies like Porsche, BMW and, of course, Mercedes. And then it takes a good time until the technologies become affordable for "the rest of us".

In other words: It doesn't matter if Apple has had these features a million years ago, because those features only become truly relevant when they hit the living rooms and offices of the user base that represents the 90+ percent market share...

I can't agree with that, for the same reasons I wouldn't for other historic steps forward in technology, outside of personal computing.

Be aware, This isn't me taking sides with Apple either. I personally don't care if a technological step forward comes from Google, Samsung, LG, Honda, KTM, Dial, or even Kleenex, Technology is relevant as soon as it does something New, more efficiently, or better than anything previous.

If the screen technology was irrelevant, I doubt we wouldn't be seeing other corporations buying, or using such pixel dense screens in their own products.
 
The dslr industry has a lot of concurrent development and similar chip designs used in different models. I wish they would use more of them without low pass/AA filters like medium format digital has for years.

Yes, and when Nikon took it off of the customized D800 many shooters were like . . . . meh because MF had it for years, and in some cases brave photogs or those with enough cash had the AA and LP filters removed.

Some need to remember that tech is tech. Once out in limited numbers, you can expect it to be ubiquitous in a matter of months. I think it was the first Mac Pro that had a custom Intel chip made just for the MP. Apple bragged about it, but 3 months (or so) later it was in every Intel workstation and server you could find.

HiDPI will be standard in a few years. Meanwhile, the 13" and 15" standard are still running with STALE and OLD circa 2005 resolutions.

Wow. Great display.

Too bad it's wasted on a Chromebook. I wonder how much the Retina Chromebook costs. The non-Retina Chromebook is already drastically overpriced for a laptop that only runs a browser:

I say too bad it's WAY overpriced. I can get a top notch decent resolution laptop running a full OS . . . . and I mean, Windows 8, Ubuntu, or Mac OSX for that $1300.

Chrome is a nice OS for Google services junkies like myself, but the $200 Chromebook is too cheap and limited, the Acer, Samsung, and HP ones are too ugly and meh, and the Chromebook Pixel is too much. Even if it was $700 which is HIGH, I'd consider it. At $500, it'd be on my desk now.

Amusingly, there will be people using High PPI screens on their other products that aren't aware they're using the same kind of screen. XD

True. To use the DSLR concept again, there was (and still maybe) a time when my fellow Nikon shooters cracked jokes about Sony DSLRs, forgetting that the sensors in everything but the FX (full frame) and top end DX (crop frame) cameras were all designed and fabricated by Sony, or designed by Nikon and fabbed by Sony.

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Last at their own game?

The 15" rMBP is still highest-resolution laptop on the market after almost a year of availability.

Most of your posts seem like trolling. Apple has flaws but being last in the display game is not one of them. IMO they are first by a very long shot.

Nope! The rMBP upped the ante, but Apple had been plagued for half a decade with having the worst laptops on the market (the G4s that is) then once they finally made laptops that could compete, the top end 15" PCs had 1680x1050 resolutions at least CTO. Apple did eventually give us the option to up the rez on the 15" but not the 13" which is still a bit sad.

Then, many, not all because PC makers still want to push cheap systems, come with 1680x1050 standard, with the option to go 1920x1080. Apple still had 1440x900 . . . standard.

They surpassed the monitor game, but it was a long time coming.

Agreed. Most laptop screens cannot be seen unless you're right in front of them. Macs have had wide viewing angles for years.

That's because of the panel which isn't made by Apple. Laptops in general in the past have had rather mediocre viewing angles.

I can't agree with that, for the same reasons I wouldn't for other historic steps forward in technology, outside of personal computing.

Be aware, This isn't me taking sides with Apple either. I personally don't care if a technological step forward comes from Google, Samsung, LG, Honda, KTM, Dial, or even Kleenex, Technology is relevant as soon as it does something New, more efficiently, or better than anything previous.

If the screen technology was irrelevant, I doubt we wouldn't be seeing other corporations buying, or using such pixel dense screens in their own products.

I agree, but tech does need to be far reaching before we can claim it's really made an impact. Putting the price so high it can't reach the masses won't benefit anyone but those that can afford it.

Remember, other corporations don't need to buy pixel dense screens. The ones that have always been making screens are the ones peddling them to Apple in the first place.
 
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