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Samsung and Sharp Introduce New Ultra-High-Resolution Notebook Displays

skratch77 said:
Do you people think that because apple used hi res first that its there tech and they actually made the screens?
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YES. VERY YES. At least, many of the newer macrumors regulars feel that way. Didn't you hear? Apple invented the capacitive touch display!

Well, technically they were one of the first companies to use that tech thanks to great luck in timing (or at least, they waited to launch an iPad/iPhone knowing it would be available soon).

Because of that, most phones launched prior to the iPhone had buttons on the bezel, because resistive touch wasn't 100% reliable and it'd be frustrating to have to pull out a stylus to answer a phone call.

But let's not be reasonable here. Apple invented touchscreen phones with no buttons.

Likewise, Apple invented High PPI screens. Wait? What was that? IBM made a super high res desktop LCD display a decade ago? Oh hogwash, that doesn't count!

How about the number of 1920x1200 laptops and 1920x1080 laptops that existed while Apple was still selling 15" 1440x900 screens?
 
What's the big news? Last I recalled unless Apple pushed the boundaries with HiRes none of this would have happened.

Samsung does a me-too and suddenly it's impressive? Whatever.
 
/dev/toaster said:
I saw one of these last week. The screen is rather nice, but holy crap is it heavy! The damn thing weighs a ton compared to a Retina Macbook Pro.

It is also way thicker.
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Are you talking about the pixel? 13" Retina MBP is 3.57 lbs; Pixel is 3.35 lbs. 13" Retina MBP is 19mm thick, Pixel is 16.2mm. The air is about a pound lighter, though. It's also most definitely thinner :)
 
Alright, a computer pixel density war. Finally. I've been waiting for this. Computer monitors' resolutions have actually gotten worse ever since the rise of HDTVs. 1080p on a computer screen is pitiful, but because it's HD, its become the norm. It's sad that tablets and phones, have either the same or higher resolution.
 
tevion5 said:
Lots of "inspiration" going on in laptop design at the moment. Seriously, there must be literally an infinite number of designs someone could make for a laptop and surely many better than Apple. How uncreative does your design department have to be to produce stuff like this HP?

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No kidding:

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mdriftmeyer said:
What's the big news? Last I recalled unless Apple pushed the boundaries with HiRes none of this would have happened.

Samsung does a me-too and suddenly it's impressive? Whatever.
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Like I said way back on page 1...

How can Samsung be copying Apple when they're the ones manufacturing the retina screens for them?

I give Apple major credit for being the ones to (finally) push the larger consumer market into the highDPI era, but they didn't invent the concept of dense pixel displays. They didn't contribute any R&D, didn't do any design work, didn't do much of anything except say they wanted one for their new line of computers and tablets. The screens were built to order by Sharp, Samsung, and LG.

All Apple did was show they could be profitable.
 
Fun thread. Loud but fun :).

I'm confused though, as with the rMBP you can't usually set beyond 1920x1200 equivalent in OS X, and when you do by 3rd party software, Finder clearly isn't designed for it, while Windows looks great.

Last I knew we were still berating apple for not implementing much resolution independence in the OS, and then there were those 512x512 icons that appeared. I haven't spent long with retina, but I just can't help feeling Windows has the customisation edge to make it easier for the user. Especially with touch, although sadly we still don't have that from any MBP ... it would be such a no-brained instabuy too. There would be no possible excuse to not have one. If only they would damn well realise that having the option to touch is not a bad thing! Surface proved that for me, now I keep trying to touch every screen ><.
 
Renzatic said:
Like I said way back on page 1...

How can Samsung be copying Apple when they're the ones manufacturing the retina screens for them?

I give Apple major credit for being the ones to (finally) push the larger consumer market into the highDPI era, but they didn't invent the concept of dense pixel displays. They didn't contribute any R&D, didn't do any design work, didn't do much of anything except say they wanted one for their new line of computers and tablets. The screens were built to order by Sharp, Samsung, and LG.

All Apple did was show they could be profitable.
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Because manufacturing doesn't necessarily mean designed by? (Afterall, if Foxconn made their own iPhone clone, wouldn't that be a copy?)

Contrary to what you thought, Apple did contribute R&D to making high density displays. There was discussion about this back when the iPhone 4 came out. Apple even has patents on some of this stuff, so it's easy to verify. A quick search got at least these. There's probably more.
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Last I read, the first generation of Retina Display panels were a joint development between LG and Apple. Samsung was only just a manufacturer for the LG/Apple design.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
Poor screen quality is the one area that many Windows based laptops suffer from. They can be loaded with ram, i7, dedicated graphics, blu-ray, etc, but a merely average display. It will be good to see better quality displays across the board.
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I ran into that so often, seriously, an I7, blu-ray and dedicated graphics should mean at least a 1080P screen which I can be happy with, be great to see even higher resolutions. There are some things I will give Apple flack for like not having blu-ray etc.. I also can see how they push others (more then one company kind of releasing the same thing) to do some things this being one of them. It is like some companies become so complacent other then general spec bumps like ram, graphics etc.. personally the resolution is quite important and this is a nice thing to see.

Next on the list is an increase to the Macbook Air which I am sure we will see shortly.
 
Good. Now developers will have no excuse anymore to not support high resolution displays. I'm not buying a rMBP until Adobe's Bridge gets support. This just makes that more likely.

I also hopes this puts pressure on Apple to lower their price a bit and fix the stupid image retention issue. They're no longer the only option for high-res displays.
 
hchung said:
Because manufacturing doesn't necessarily mean designed by? (Afterall, if Foxconn made their own iPhone clone, wouldn't that be a copy?)
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Samsung had smartphones with more than 300 dpi before the iPhone, Toshiba also had smartphones with more than 300 dpi before the iPhone.

So?
 
Why do so many people think Apple was the 1st to market with HighRes displays? They were just the first to sell them at budget prices.

Look up the IBM T221 ,3840x2400 and that was over a decade ago. It wasn't exactly cheap though. IBM never made a lot of cheap junk tho, and in IBMs traditional motto of " we hate poor people ", it was 8,700 dollars ;) a couple workstations at the office had them in 04, one of the best pictures I've ever seen, if not the best.


Where was Apples high res display in the early 2000s?
 
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G51989 said:
Why do so many people think Apple was the 1st to market with HighRes displays? They were just the first to sell them at budget prices.

Look up the IBM T221 , that was over a decade ago. It wasn't exactly cheap though. Where was Apples high res display in the early 2000s?
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More like bring it more to the forefront and encourage several companies at the same time to increase their resolution, not uncommon for some other company to have one at some insane price and everyone else still putting out extremely dated resolutions or 1080P if we are lucky.

Apple really needed to increase their resolutions like everyone else and the Air still need to do.
 
hchung said:
Last I read, the first generation of Retina Display panels were a joint development between LG and Apple. Samsung was only just a manufacturer for the LG/Apple design.
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I'll need to read up a bit more on it, because dense displays have been around for awhile now.Want an example? Samsung actually had 300 PPI displays in testing as far back as 2004. That's a big one right there. Plus I'm pretty sure there was an old Windows Phone that had a high PPI display out a good while before the iPhone 4.

And those patents? One of them I'm a little hazy on, but they're more for generalized TFT screen quality than they are high PPI screens specifically.
 
Renzatic said:
Like I said way back on page 1...

How can Samsung be copying Apple when they're the ones manufacturing the retina screens for them?

I give Apple major credit for being the ones to (finally) push the larger consumer market into the highDPI era, but they didn't invent the concept of dense pixel displays. They didn't contribute any R&D, didn't do any design work, didn't do much of anything except say they wanted one for their new line of computers and tablets. The screens were built to order by Sharp, Samsung, and LG.

All Apple did was show they could be profitable.
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I, as a consumer, have no use for concepting, designing, R&Ding or "much of anything"ing, only for actually buying and using something.

What Samsung or anybody did before I put my card in the POS and typed in the PIN to pay for something is not really my concern. The only thing I know and care about is that Apple got me a Retina class display in a widely available consumer product first. Be it the iPhone, iPad or MBP.

All of them can showcase concepts and prototypes at trade shows, if they don't get it to market (me), they might as well not exist, my life would be exactly the same.

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a0me said:
You can't be suggesting that these 2 products share some interesting similarities, are you?

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You can go all day with these. From phones, tablets, laptops, chargers, connectors, cables, even product packaging, everyone is copying Apple.

That's a sure bet. And it works, like samsung did with the Galaxy S which is a blatant copy. Or Samsung with the chromebook, HP with envy or ASUS with zenbook. Or asus with laptop chargers that resemble the magsafe ones.

But the fact that it works doesn't make it any less pathetic.
 
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While everyone else is STILL copying Apple slavishly no doubt the forums will still moan that Apple is 'falling behind' and 'no longer innovative'.
 
lukarak said:
I, as a consumer, have no use for concepting, designing, R&Ding or "much of anything"ing, only for actually buying and using something.

What Samsung or anybody did before I put my card in the POS and typed in the PIN to pay for something is not really my concern. The only thing I know and care about is that Apple got me a Retina class display in a widely available consumer product first. Be it the iPhone, iPad or MBP.

All of them can showcase concepts and prototypes at trade shows, if they don't get it to market (me), they might as well not exist, my life would be exactly the same.

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You can go all day with these. From phones, tablets, laptops, chargers, connectors, cables, even product packaging, everyone is copying Apple.

That's a sure bet. And it works, like samsung did with the Galaxy S which is a blatant copy. Or Samsung with the chromebook, HP with envy or ASUS with zenbook. Or asus with laptop chargers that resemble the magsafe ones.

But the fact that it works doesn't make it any less phatetic.
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I have a chromebook. It looks nothing like my MacBook Pro. It doesn't even look like my MacBook Air.

Does it share some similar styling. Yes. But you would never mistake one for the other.
 
Renzatic said:
LG and Samsung made the high DPI Retina screens for Apple at their request. How can you accuse them of copying their own technology?
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Because as we've been saying for years: "If you have been living in a tech cave for the past 8 years you really believe that Apple makes and invents EVERYTHING!"

Now, I am very interested in seeing them make a HDPI 17" screen. I am still torn between buying an old 17" MBP or a new Retina MBP and just dealing with a smaller screen size. A Retina 17" would be $4000 I am willing to pay for . . . . . over time.
 
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