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As in the consumer now gets less than what they used to with the same purchase as before. Consumer suddenly loses out on something that someone else decided on (someone else that benefits from that decision). Doesn't matter what manufacturer is involved.
If one includes a positive environmental impact not true. Every consumer benefits, even if the benefit is not tangible to them directly.
Again, perhaps to something else, just not what I was commenting on.
To me it was.
 
If one includes a positive environmental impact not true. Every consumer benefits, even if the benefit is intangible.
That doesn't change what was brought up in the quoted post.
To me it was.
Can't comment on how someone might treat something, just on what was said and what it was about, which wasn't that.
 
Charger Apple used to include with iPhone was pretty cheap I am sure, and I don't think this "no charger" move is getting them tons of new revenue. I appreciate the move to create a more environmentally friendly business, and it's unfortunate that companies like Samsung are a couple decades behind when it comes to corporate responsibility.
Most of the people who are complaining are looking for any reason to pounce on Apple.
 
So every other year that Apple has released a new phone with new hardware/features and included the power brick in the box had it no impact on margins but somehow in 2020 it did? I don’t buy that.

Did you even read what I said?

The charging brick is factored into the budget. Apple designs a product with XYZ features to fit the budget. If the brick isn't there, they have room in the budget to include other features. This shouldn't be too hard to understand...
 
Fair enough on the exaggeration. Yes a lot of customers may have a laptop with a port or an an existing charger but plugging into a laptop which needs to be on to charge the phone is hardly convenient. If the customer already has an existing charger then they don't need another one.

Maybe you're the type of person that manually shuts down the laptop every day, but I wager most MacBook users just shut the lid to go to sleep. If the MacBook is sleeping, it still can charge the device.

In terms of the discount on a charger. I don't know haw much it costs Apple to make the 20W USB-C adaptor but I'd be surprised if it's more than $1 - $2 with all costs factored in.

If they sold it for $10 there still making double the price compared to cost. Yes Apple have added features this year which cost more but they also saved money by not including the adaptor, earpods and slimming down the box which also reduces shipping cost per unit.

The bill of materials for the 5W charger is around $5 (http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html). For the 20W, I imagine it's more expensive than the 5W charger, so perhaps about $8 for materials. Then including the other costs like packaging, shipping, inventory, quality control, warranty, returns overhead...we're talking about $13-$14 (which would be in line with Apple's margins of around 30%-40%). So to include a charger in the box (which would make the box bigger and make it more difficult to ship the product) with the iPhone, we're talking about 1% of the total cost of the 64GB iPhone Mini.

Barclays report is ultimately speculation. The only people who know the true cost of building and shipping a iPhone is Apple themselves and of course there not going to publish that information.

Barclays has been a reliable source of info. Even Macrumors says so on the bottom of the article. https://www.macrumors.com/2019/11/22/barclays-iphone-12-pro-likely-6gb-ram/

Considering they "travel to Asia to meet with manufacturers", they do the homework of figuring out the costs.
 
That doesn't change what was brought up in the quoted post.
Can't comment on how someone might treat something, just on what was said and what it was about, which wasn't that.
Quoted post didn't include all of the various facets of these actions and looks at it from a binary point of view.
 
Why is it stupid?

I have far more old Apple USB-A chargers from iPhones & iPads than I do lightning cables. Why? because they break easily and get lost far easier than the chargers themselves. At least in my experience.

I highly doubt you broke all of your USB-A to lightning cables. But even if you did, it would make sense to make *you* pay for lightning cables as most customers won't break most of their lightning cables. Apple shouldn't punish the rest of the customers just so that you can break more.
 
Quoted post didn't include all of the various facets of these actions and looks at it from a binary point of view.
It addressed the main aspect from consumer point of view. That aspect isn't changed by other aspects.
 
Why is it stupid?

I have far more old Apple USB-A chargers from iPhones & iPads than I do lightning cables. Why? because they break easily and get lost far easier than the chargers themselves. At least in my experience.
I’ve never broken a charging brick. How is it possible?
 
It addressed the main aspect from consumer point of view. That aspect isn't changed by other aspects.
The aspect is changed by other factors when the word "benefit" is mentioned, which is subjective. The only fact is that company is not including charger started at future date. Everything else is subjective, including "lack of benefit."
 
The aspect is changed by other factors when the word "benefit" is mentioned, which is subjective. The only fact is that company is not including charger started at future date. Everything else is subjective, including "lack of benefit."
In the context of consumers nothing was mentioned in relation to benefits.
If one includes a positive environmental impact not true. Every consumer benefits, even if the benefit is not tangible to them directly.
Given the above, it sounds like that "benefit" is quite subjective then, which puts it neither here nor there.
 
"get less" was the term used, which is subjective.
In the same way that "1 is less than 2" would be subjective.

(That aside, the continued reshuffling is doing a pretty good job demonstrating that statements haven't been holding up as things keep on getting changed when they are quickly pointed out not to be the case.)
 
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In the same way that "1 is less than 2" would be subjective. (That aside, the continued reshuffling is doing a pretty good job demonstrating that statements haven't been holding up as things keep on getting changed when they are quickly pointed out not to be the case.)
Sure if items in the box including pieces of paper are being counted may fit in with "1 is less than 2". (it still is subjective regarding "getting less" no matter the spin.)
 
So every other year that Apple has released a new phone with new hardware/features and included the power brick in the box had it no impact on margins but somehow in 2020 it did? I don’t buy that.

My guess is that since this year’s iPhone has both 5g and a new form factor, the higher costs was more than what Apple could reasonably absorb (their margins have actually been dropping in the past few years).

So it was either increase the price or remove the charge brick (leading to cost savings from not bundling an accessory and lower shipping costs).

So while the price of the iPhone has remained the same, one can see it as an indirect discount because consumers could have been paying more.

Second, even if this move may not have been primarily motivated by saving the environment, it’s hard to deny that such a movement will have a significant impact on cutting down of e-waste. Not just from Apple, but also from the numerous other companies who get “inspired” to do likewise.

It is what it is.
 
They mock because they're jealous of Apple's success. Maybe not in phone unit sales, but profits.

not in units?

check the top 5 most sold smartphone MODELS. Apple has the #1, and one or two more of said top 5 are iPhones.
 
I'm using an aging xiaomi phone with the older USB connector with charger, I also have a xiaomi hair clipper that included a USB-C cable, no actual brick. Even my 9 year old iPad outlet brick works with USB-C cable and can charge that 2020 USB-C hair clipper, my Mom's USB-C phone is also charged with that 9 year old Apple USB charger (not that it doesn't have one, it does, we just kept using the Apple one that was on the wall). So you don't have to buy a charger for your new iPhone, just the USB-C cable with an old charger.
 
I'm using an aging xiaomi phone with the older USB connector with charger, I also have a xiaomi hair clipper that included a USB-C cable, no actual brick. Even my 9 year old iPad outlet brick works with USB-C cable and can charge that 2020 USB-C hair clipper, my Mom's USB-C phone is also charged with that 9 year old Apple USB charger (not that it doesn't have one, it does, we just kept using the Apple one that was on the wall). So you don't have to buy a charger for your new iPhone, just the USB-C cable with an old charger.

It think the frustration is that most iPhone owners won't typically have old USB-C chargers laying around... thus making the included USB-C to Lightning cable useless.

BUT... it they are existing iPhone owners... they certainly have a Lightning cable attached to some charger already. Any ol' Lightning cable will charge an iPhone.

This describes me perfectly. I have plenty of Lightning cables attached to USB-A chargers everywhere. So I'm fine with using them to charge my iPhone 12 Pro Max in my home and car.

The only reason I wanted to buy a new USB-C charger was to use the MagSafe charger.

I'm fine with Apple not including a charger. It lets me decide which charger I want. I have plenty of chargers from Anker because they have multiple ports. I've never been a fan of the included single-port chargers.
 
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Samsung made money by mocking Apple, then they made money by copying Apple. Pretty solid business strategy to me.
 
I have a recommendation for you. Please watch the movie "Miracle on 34th Street". Then you'll understand why what you are saying is showing your ignorance to the situation. In the movie Macys sends customers to their competitor if they are out of stock on a product. This makes the competitor look like the bad guy because they aren't doing the same thing. Apple looks like the good guy trying to reduce landfill by no longer including a charger that's really not necessary. Samsung and the other companies start looking like the bad guy by still including chargers and adding to the overflowing landfill. Samsung is a crap company because they will let a year pass first in order for Apple to take the trashing for being first at removing the chargers. Then of course Samsung and other companies follow suit.
On the flip side it also works for Samsung and other companies to be the good guy that provides a complete package for their phones. You want a charger and free earbuds in the box? Don't buy iPhone. You want a USB-C charging port, or insanely 60-watts fast charging? Don't buy iPhone. There are two possible outcomes for your narrative here, and it's not always Apple looking to be the good guy. Yes I am a customer and will always stand by the customer standpoint.

I hope you realize this idea makes zero sense? Including a QR code to get a charger is no different than including a charger. It's still giving the customer a charger to add to the many they have lying around at home which will end up in landfill. You're not look at this from a business or environmental standpoint. You're looking at it from a selfish customer standpoint.
Including an optional QR redeemable code will smooth up the transition of not including a charger in the box for the near future. Meanwhile, it's up to customers to decide whether they want the charger or not? People who already own potent chargers on their bedside table wouldn't care too much about a freebie, crap 12watts brick, would they? It also works as a survey of how many customers really care about a charging brick?
 
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Oh dear, all so predictable. Major Android mobile phone manufacturers copying trends set by Apple, yet again. And yet again all the mocking has gone quiet as those who did that are now stuffing their faces with humble pie.

The lack of charger inclusion is a none issue unless anyone just got born and somehow grew up alone and immediately bought a mobile phone. My gosh from over the years we've got a drawer full of chargers from iPhones, iPads, Android Phones, Tablets, Windows Phones, and so on. Then there are the wall power sockets which get updated when redecorating rooms to include USB ports for charging, and not to forget to mention all the other devices including but not limited to laptops, TVs, games consoles all offering charging opportunities. And then I haven't even talked about our cars which have wireless charging build in and more USB sockets than one can think of. My daughter's car is 33 years old, her Apple Car play 1 din head unit came with a USB socket, and I installed two more sockets for her friends. Took less than 1 hour.

Really no big deal.
 
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On the flip side it also works for Samsung and other companies to be the good guy that provides a complete package for their phones. You want a charger and free earbuds in the box? Don't buy iPhone. You want a USB-C charging port, or insanely 60-watts fast charging? Don't buy iPhone. There are two possible outcomes for your narrative here, and it's not always Apple looking to be the good guy. Yes I am a customer and will always stand by the customer standpoint.

Samsung tried hard to be the anti-iPhone once upon a time. They found that it didn’t really work, because the people who want an iPhone just want an iPhone, and these are the customers everyone is fighting over because they have more spending power.

People bought iPhones when it was 2-3 times the price of the competition, and when it didn’t offer expandable storage, or removable batteries, or when it didn’t support flash, or allow for side loading of apps, or a myriad of other “limitations” that android phonemakers have been trumpeting for over a decade.

Did the iPhone flourish despite these shortcomings, or because of them?

The only reason I can give for this is that perhaps much of this supposed outrage is being generated by a very vocal minority who just isn’t representative of the general consumer sentiment.
 
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