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Say a few things? In almost every page of this long thread you post multiple times...this is basically YOUR thread. It is indeed a crusade. And yeah, it is hilarious. Well, good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish.

Wow you're really set on making me look like a crusader, aren't ya? Keep trying! Quite entertaining now! :p
 
Wow you're really set on making me look like a crusader, aren't ya? Keep trying! Quite entertaining now! :p

Well, it is only fair that we should try to entertain you after all you've done for us. ;)

What will you do if the S6 does not turn Samsung's fortunes around? You know, this could well be Samsung's last Galaxy model -- they just can sustain the types of losses they experienced the last few quarters.

I guess you can defend Xiaomi instead. ;)
 
Well, it is only fair that we should try to entertain you after all you've done for us. ;)

What will you do if the S6 does not turn Samsung's fortunes around? You know, this could well be Samsung's last Galaxy model -- they just can sustain the types of losses they experienced the last few quarters.

I guess you can defend Xiaomi. ;)

just a simple correct;

Samsung did NOT lose money last quarter.

They had reduced profits.

just a note that these are two completely different things.
 
What will you do if the S6 does not turn Samsung's fortunes around?

Nooooo my crusade will end :rolleyes: I will curl up in a corner and cry.

You know, this could well be Samsung's last Galaxy model -- they just can sustain the types of losses they experienced the last few quarters.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... oh wait were you serious?

I guess you can defend Xiaomi. ;)

Depends on what MacRumors posts about them.
 
just a simple correct;

Samsung did NOT lose money last quarter.

They had reduced profits.

just a note that these are two completely different things.

If not for the mobile division, they would have had a very good year. How long do you think they can sustain these "reduced profits" before they say enough is enough?

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Nooooo my crusade will end :rolleyes: I will curl up in a corner and cry.

Hmmm, even though you are trying to be sarcastic, I have a feeling there might be some truth to this. :(
 
If not for the mobile division, they would have had a very good year. How long do you think they can sustain these "reduced profits" before they say enough is enough?


no idea. I'm not in a position to make that call.

I'm not saying that samsung is in good position right now. Just being a nit picker for using the correct terminology since Profit and revenues are completely different things and have completely different meanings.

However, I believe that samsung still did earn profit. Profit means they're able to fully cover their expenses. As long as there is profit in the samsung mobile business, they will go nowhere.

now the question is. Was this a "blip" or is it indicative of a downward trend. And really the answer is different depending on which source you are reviewing.
 
now this is a train of conversation that I can get behind. while full of personal opinion, it isn't necessarily taking one stance that one side is inherently better than the other.

I do agree that I find that Samsung borrows from the industry as a whole a lot. if it were blatant, outright copying (like samsung releasing KIRF) it would be closer in line to the typical responses we see on this forum of "Samsung copycats" and "samesung"

but Samsung does innovate. Whether or not the usefullness of those features is realized or not, due to whatever reason, doesn't mean they don't try and in the past have come up with unique ideas unseen elsewhere.

However, thats not saying that all companies in the industry don't borrow from eachother. It's actually how I see innovation occuring more lately.

There's little in the tech world that is invented / created in a vacuum. Tech is so advanced that they All require eachother and build upon each other. releasing something that is very similar to something else, but changed enough to be differentiated is innovation to a limited extent.

An example of this belief: Finger print sensor. if the mentality was (as many here believe) that once something is "perfected" nobody else should do it and should invent something completely different and using any technology similar, is copying.

this leads back to the conversation we were having earlier about irony. Maybe it was misdirected at you and if you didn't intend that, sorry, my apologies. But the typical 'fanboy' response on these forums is "Apple gets credit for the invention because they did it the best, and nobody else should be doing it now" completely ignoring the fact that Apple only got there by standing on the shoulders of those who did it before them. And likewise, Samsung could say the same about many things too.

I just want people to stop being disingenuous and realize that everything we have today is because it was built off of something that came before it.

Thats it
You're not the only one who's sick of apologists on these forums. I don't blame you for assuming I was an Apple fan; it is MacRumors after all.

Apple is, to me, really good at implementing existing technologies. To say they invented fingerprint sensors or multi-touch is an insult to the tech industry. They're usually late to the game with their releases but I give them credit for usually doing it better than others (not always, but often).

My criticism of Samsung is that they could easily do so much more if they stopped using Apple as a guideline of what to do next. Apple is hardly the role model it used to be (I mean, Jesus, look at iOS 8 and Yosemite) and honestly it's holding Samsung back in some ways (no replaceable battery, no MicroSD, etc). I'm no phone designer or CEO but I have faith that Samsung is smart enough to do better by standing on the shoulders of technological concepts as opposed to standing on the shoulders of technological implementations. That's essentially the core of my opinion: spend more time ripping off awesome concepts (like Apple) and less time ripping off specific implementations of these awesome concepts.

This faith in Samsung stems from existing innovations that they basically perfected: stylus input, phablet features, next-gen screen technology, and much more. It makes me sad that the same company that can pull off that much creative thinking has to limit itself to another company's ideas at times.
 
You're not the only one who's sick of apologists on these forums. I don't blame you for assuming I was an Apple fan; it is MacRumors after all.

Apple is, to me, really good at implementing existing technologies. To say they invented fingerprint sensors or multi-touch is an insult to the tech industry. They're usually late to the game with their releases but I give them credit for usually doing it better than others (not always, but often).

My criticism of Samsung is that they could easily do so much more if they stopped using Apple as a guideline of what to do next. Apple is hardly the role model it used to be (I mean, Jesus, look at iOS 8 and Yosemite) and honestly it's holding Samsung back in some ways (no replaceable battery, no MicroSD, etc). I'm no phone designer or CEO but I have faith that Samsung is smart enough to do better by standing on the shoulders of technological concepts as opposed to standing on the shoulders of technological implementations. That's essentially the core of my opinion: spend more time ripping off awesome concepts (like Apple) and less time ripping off specific implementations of these awesome concepts.

Well, maybe you should apply to be Samsungs CEO. ;)

There can only be one Apple (just like there is one Samsung), once Samsung realizes that they can flourish. They need to establish some sort of identity, which they seem to have lost.
 
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This faith in Samsung stems from existing innovations that they basically perfected: stylus input, phablet features, next-gen screen technology, and much more. It makes me sad that the same company that can pull off that much creative thinking has to limit itself to another company's ideas at times.

Many of the things they tried to start has failed miserably too like all the gestures that was in the S4. They have been often critisized for trying too much.

Instead of just reducing new useless features and focus on a good one, they stopped with the S5 but that became a disappointment because there was literally nothing new that is original. They just have to find a better balance of introducing something new and good while avoiding doing the same thing as Apple.

If the earbud thing is true then that is pretty pathetic.
 
You're not the only one who's sick of apologists on these forums. I don't blame you for assuming I was an Apple fan; it is MacRumors after all.

Apple is, to me, really good at implementing existing technologies. To say they invented fingerprint sensors or multi-touch is an insult to the tech industry. They're usually late to the game with their releases but I give them credit for usually doing it better than others (not always, but often).

My criticism of Samsung is that they could easily do so much more if they stopped using Apple as a guideline of what to do next. Apple is hardly the role model it used to be (I mean, Jesus, look at iOS 8 and Yosemite) and honestly it's holding Samsung back in some ways (no replaceable battery, no MicroSD, etc). I'm no phone designer or CEO but I have faith that Samsung is smart enough to do better by standing on the shoulders of technological concepts as opposed to standing on the shoulders of technological implementations. That's essentially the core of my opinion: spend more time ripping off awesome concepts (like Apple) and less time ripping off specific implementations of these awesome concepts.

This faith in Samsung stems from existing innovations that they basically perfected: stylus input, phablet features, next-gen screen technology, and much more. It makes me sad that the same company that can pull off that much creative thinking has to limit itself to another company's ideas at times.

I appologize then for my earlier remarks and maybe misguided. This is how I feel as well.

I just dont have emtional connections to inanimate objects. so when I read a lot people completely ignoring fact to fit their own narrative, it boggles me.
 
I appologize then for my earlier remarks and maybe misguided. This is how I feel as well.

I just dont have emtional connections to inanimate objects. so when I read a lot people completely ignoring fact to fit their own narrative, it boggles me.

Welcome to MacRumors, may I take your coat? :D

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Many of the things they tried to start has failed miserably too like all the gestures that was in the S4. They have been often critisized for trying too much.

Instead of just reducing new useless features and focus on a good one, they stopped with the S5 but that became a disappointment because there was literally nothing new that is original. They just have to find a better balance of introducing something new and good while avoiding doing the same thing as Apple.

If the earbud thing is true then that is pretty pathetic.

Exactly. I want back Samsung with the S2 and Note 2. Those were the crazy days when every phone they made was shocking. I also miss that they used to play ball with developers/xda. Now it's Knox this and locked bootloader that. A lot of people don't care about this, but a lot do as well. I for one miss the days I didn't have to worry about a warranty fuse going off if I flashed anything on my phone.
 
LoopPay is making deals with banks like Chase to allow them to modify the card's service code, to appear like a magswipe only account.

This will allow LoopPay / Samsung Pay to avoid the chip insertion request.

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Btw, has everyone here been reading the news about gangs using Apple Pay to make millions of dollars of fraudulent purchases?

As much as 6% of the amount of Apple Pay purchases are being done by criminals pretending to be someone else. They enter stolen credit card info into iPhones, get "verified", and then use Apple Pay on the phones to buy high dollar items.... ironically, often at Apple Stores... that are then resold.

The criminals even call the banks to let them know that they'll "be on vacation out of town", so that fraud alerts won't kick in. Social engineering at its best.

A banking industry consultant lays the blame on both Apple and the banks, for not setting up better verification ahead of time. He also mentions that Apple has been of little help tracking down fraudulent registrations, due to makeshift reporting methods.

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That thing has already been beat into the ground. The cards and ID were already compromised (so, ID theft even prior to having the device). The banks should have verified it more.

The issue was not having the physical cards and yet some banks seemingly allowed the criminals to add it. The same thing could happen to any mobile payment service (like Samsung pay). Since cards are added just once, great care should be made to actually make sure the person who adds the card is the owner of the card (or is authorized to use it).

Kinda strange that this was reported in the Guardian with a kind of clickbait title and not anywhere else, not even in the US. It seems to be single sourced. So, the real extent of this is also in question. The source certainly does not have internal access to all banks.

With Android being totally unsecured, not even encrypted (google other story bout this), what solution does Samsung have to that? A malware could compromise their device and they'd be in a lot of trouble the way things are done right now.

The hardware NFC secure element is a big part of on device security in NFC payments. Don't think Samsung can use it for other type of payments. So, they'd have to have specialized hardware if they want to create the equivalent. Hopefully, they put such thing on their S6.
 
Let me get something straight. Samsung criticized Apple about the iPhone 6/6+ saying welcome to 2012. The S6 is made with a front and back glass design with an aluminum frame, no longer has expandable storage, moved the speaker from the back to the bottom and is no longer water resistant. So it's a larger iPhone 4/4S. Good job Samsung, welcome to 2010.

No no no, it's welcome to 2007.

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Nope different devices already had no sliding fingerprint readers like the Moto Atrix.

Why would you even answer that with authority when you're so clearly wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFmIgNhg0M4
 
Wow this thread delivered on the bumhurt way more than usual, impressive
 
Pretty sure they mentioned welcome to 2012 from hardware specs.

The gs6 is the only phone using 8 cores and 14nm finfet.they are a full year ahead of every one now in hardware.

They were referring to screen size, it was clearly stated. A full year ahead yet when we see the benchmarks, you'll see they're six months behind.

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Many of the things they tried to start has failed miserably too like all the gestures that was in the S4. They have been often critisized for trying too much.

Instead of just reducing new useless features and focus on a good one, they stopped with the S5 but that became a disappointment because there was literally nothing new that is original. They just have to find a better balance of introducing something new and good while avoiding doing the same thing as Apple.

If the earbud thing is true then that is pretty pathetic.

Here is their problem in a nutshell: They release products that should never leave the lab. If they want to copy anything from Apple, copy quality control. And yes, Apple isn't perfect especially with their software lately but Samsung has repeatedly screwed over their customers by selling them junk. Five new watches in one year was a freaking joke, and none of them really hit their mark. These "Edge" screens are probably going to be a disaster as well. No way that last Note sold enough to really find out how they stand up in the real world.
 
You're not the only one who's sick of apologists on these forums. I don't blame you for assuming I was an Apple fan; it is MacRumors after all.

Apple is, to me, really good at implementing existing technologies. To say they invented fingerprint sensors or multi-touch is an insult to the tech industry. They're usually late to the game with their releases but I give them credit for usually doing it better than others (not always, but often).

My criticism of Samsung is that they could easily do so much more if they stopped using Apple as a guideline of what to do next. Apple is hardly the role model it used to be (I mean, Jesus, look at iOS 8 and Yosemite) and honestly it's holding Samsung back in some ways (no replaceable battery, no MicroSD, etc). I'm no phone designer or CEO but I have faith that Samsung is smart enough to do better by standing on the shoulders of technological concepts as opposed to standing on the shoulders of technological implementations. That's essentially the core of my opinion: spend more time ripping off awesome concepts (like Apple) and less time ripping off specific implementations of these awesome concepts.

This faith in Samsung stems from existing innovations that they basically perfected: stylus input, phablet features, next-gen screen technology, and much more. It makes me sad that the same company that can pull off that much creative thinking has to limit itself to another company's ideas at times.

I admit I was also wrong about your line of thinking and agree with you.

I also don't like misinformation or hyperbole... But this is macrumors
 
I'm far from a samsung fan. I own only 2 samsung devices in my entire house (own more Apple, but I actually own stuff from dozens of manufacturers as I prefer to experience EVERYTHING fist hand): My Microwave and my bedroom TV.

I have owned 2 Samsung phones in the past and NEVER AGAIN! I actually think that samsung, while doing somethings right and better, ruin the experience with ridiculous overbearing skinning of Android and (can't claim for the S6) but cheap feeling build materials that are not worth the premium price tag.

Trust me, I'm anything but a samsung fan.

What I AM a fan of is honesty, facts. and aknowledging the history of the tech industry from a non-biased, moderate position where I'd rather look at the facts and history of the industry than taking a relativist viewpoint that one company is better than another.

What this demonstrates is that there's an extreme amount of cognitive dissodence within the Apple purchasing camp. This board is direct evidence of such. the need to warp and construe history to paint Apple into some different company than factual history just to make people feel like they're supporting some form of religious experience, is something that befuddles me completely.

I think what is clear from what you've said here is that you come to this forum with an extreme bias towards every poster here who isn't posting favorably against Apple. You're creating a strawman out of everyone here.

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I admit I was also wrong about your line of thinking and agree with you.

I also don't like misinformation or hyperbole... But this is macrumors

Yes, this is macrumors, Internet home of all Apple misinformation moderation. If you spent half this time on an Android forum I think your head would explode.
 
I think what is clear from what you've said here is that you come to this forum with an extreme bias towards every poster here who isn't posting favorably against Apple. You're creating a strawman out of everyone here.

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Yes, this is macrumors, Internet home of all Apple misinformation moderation. If you spent half this time on an Android forum I think your head would explode.

The misinformation and hyperbole goes in every direction and every topic for every brand here.
 
I think what is clear from what you've said here is that you come to this forum with an extreme bias towards every poster here who isn't posting favorably against Apple. You're creating a strawman out of everyone here.


at what point did I say that? I love quite a lot of what Apple has done. They have disrupted many marketplaces that many of us thought were firmly entrenched. I love to see what they do next as Apple tends to have a firm grip on the pulse of technology (usually, they're not without their misses)

that does NOT EXCUSE YOU NOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR REPEATING FACTUALLY INACCURATE STATEMENTS TO RESOLVE YOUR OWN COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
 
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