Samsung Announces Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 Edge and Samsung Pay

[LordVic]

Desperation. I've spent enough time in the thread bickering with people that can't do their research. Didn't you know that it only takes 2 months and pics of an unreleased phone to create a new generation of an iPod touch? And that Apple never made an iPhone (3G ) that has rounded corners before so surely it must have come from the highly successful Ativ S?

No I really couldn't type it with a straight face...

I wonder if you see the irony in your comments.

this is what they're poking at.

Typical response when Samsung releases something

"it's copying rumours by apple! look, it looks like one of the mockup leaks from apple, therefore, samsung copied that and within 1 month of that leak has a brand new product out!"

These fellows aren't believing it nor more than they believe that Apple copied the rounded corneres for the Touch from the Ativ S in a month or two.

What they're doing is using your commentary to point out the inherent hypocrisy in these forums as this is a typical response anytime samsung announces anything

"it was copied off rumours from Apple, DUH!"

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Other phones had styluses way before the Note. Just because Samsung's implementation was better due to available technology at the time doesn't mean they invented styluses on a phone.

And this is the exact same argument that many people on this forum use anytime Apple brings out something.

"we don't care who did it first, Apple did it best, so everyone else doesn't matter"

see when you flip that statement to
"we don't care who did it first, Samsung did it best, so everyone else doesn't matter"

its equally laughable no matter who the focus of attention is

 

[aerok]

And this is the exact same argument that many people on this forum use anytime Apple brings out something.

"we don't care who did it first, Apple did it best, so everyone else doesn't matter"

see when you flip that statement to
"we don't care who did it first, Samsung did it best, so everyone else doesn't matter"

its equally laughable no matter who the focus of attention is

For people like mkTank, it only counts when Apple does it.

First MP3 phone? Irrelevant, Apple didn't do it
First LTE phone? Irrelevant, Apple didn't do it.

 

[mKTank]

For people like mkTank, it only counts when Apple does it.

First MP3 phone? Irrelevant, Apple didn't do it
First LTE phone? Irrelevant, Apple didn't do it.

Except we're talking post-iPhone smartphones. The whole point is how Samsung's been shamelessly ripping off Apple. I don't see how an MP3 player from 2001 has any relevance.

 

[samcraig]

Are we suggesting that because Samsung annouced Ativ S couple of months before the iPod touch release, Apple had the time to copy Samsung? What is the point of the statement?

Desperation. I've spent enough time in the thread bickering with people that can't do their research. Didn't you know that it only takes 2 months and pics of an unreleased phone to create a new generation of an iPod touch? And that Apple never made an iPhone (3G ) that has rounded corners before so surely it must have come from the highly successful Ativ S?

No I really couldn't type it with a straight face...

More irony in this thread.

 

[LordVic]

Except we're talking post-iPhone smartphones. The whole point is how Samsung's been shamelessly ripping off Apple. I don't see how an MP3 player from 2001 has any relevance.

There is absolutely a direct link between pre-smartphone PDA/Mp3 devices and their evolving into smartphones.

You cannot make an arbitrary distinction that just because something didn't have a cellular antenna in it, that it did not have influence on the design and implementation of devices that do.

Examples are Pre-"smartphone" PDA's. what were they? They were essentially handheld computers, with extensible and installable applications, that offered web browsing, email and other online resources via technologies such as WiFi and Bluetooth. These Full screen touch devices weren't "smart phones" because they didnt' have an antenna but were absolutely fore fathers to the smartphones of today.

its like the argument that is constantly being thrown around here: APPLE INVENTED THE FULLSCREENT OUCH DEVICE! NOBODY ELSE WAS WORKIGN ON IT! SEE (insert link to Android .9 device with keyboard)

what it fails to aknowledge is all of THESE:

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Simply put, you cannot ignore history just because it doesn't fit your viewpoint. Technology has long since stood on the shoulders of eachother, borrowing from eachother, and circling back to ideas that failed before, but are now more technologically capable do to constant competition and advancing technologies.

 

[mKTank]

I wonder if you see the irony in your comments.

this is what they're poking at.

Typical response when Samsung releases something

"it's copying rumours by apple! look, it looks like one of the mockup leaks from apple, therefore, samsung copied that and within 1 month of that leak has a brand new product out!"

These fellows aren't believing it nor more than they believe that Apple copied the rounded corneres for the Touch from the Ativ S in a month or two.

What they're doing is using your commentary to point out the inherent hypocrisy in these forums as this is a typical response anytime samsung announces anything

"it was copied off rumours from Apple, DUH!"

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And this is the exact same argument that many people on this forum use anytime Apple brings out something.

"we don't care who did it first, Apple did it best, so everyone else doesn't matter"

see when you flip that statement to
"we don't care who did it first, Samsung did it best, so everyone else doesn't matter"

its equally laughable no matter who the focus of attention is

Yea what you're doing is essentially generalizing the opinions of Apple "diehards" and shameless apologists (which do exist in high numbers throughout the forum) and applying it to anyone who ever criticizes Apple competitors. I never mentioned that Samsung ripped off Apple blueprints or whatever you're going on about. If you bothered to look around you'd see that I have had more Android phones than I've had iPhones. I have a Note 4 along with an iPhone 6 Plus.

I get what you were going for but it's really not working.

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There is absolutely a direct link between pre-smartphone PDA/Mp3 devices and their evolving into smartphones.

You cannot make an arbitrary distinction that just because something didn't have a cellular antenna in it, that it did not have influence on the design and implementation of devices that do.

Examples are Pre-"smartphone" PDA's. what were they? They were essentially handheld computers, with extensible and installable applications, that offered web browsing, email and other online resources via technologies such as WiFi and Bluetooth. These Full screen touch devices weren't "smart phones" because they didnt' have an antenna but were absolutely fore fathers to the smartphones of today.

Sorry, a device from 2001 still has no relevance in this discussion. It's like saying Samsung made fridges first. MP3 isn't an invention by Samsung nor was LTE. They were technologies that were going to get used anyway and Samsung in no way pushed any boundaries by including them first considering the vast majority of the continent didn't even have LTE coverage. I don't see why you think it was such an important release or why it's relevant 14 years later.

 

[LordVic]

I don't see why you think it was such an important release or why it's relevant 14 years later.

as i said. your will full disingenuous belief doesn't change reality.

 

[mKTank]

There is absolutely a direct link between pre-smartphone PDA/Mp3 devices and their evolving into smartphones.

You cannot make an arbitrary distinction that just because something didn't have a cellular antenna in it, that it did not have influence on the design and implementation of devices that do.

Examples are Pre-"smartphone" PDA's. what were they? They were essentially handheld computers, with extensible and installable applications, that offered web browsing, email and other online resources via technologies such as WiFi and Bluetooth. These Full screen touch devices weren't "smart phones" because they didnt' have an antenna but were absolutely fore fathers to the smartphones of today.

its like the argument that is constantly being thrown around here: APPLE INVENTED THE FULLSCREENT OUCH DEVICE! NOBODY ELSE WAS WORKIGN ON IT! SEE (insert link to Android .9 device with keyboard)

what it fails to aknowledge is all of THESE:

Simply put, you cannot ignore history just because it doesn't fit your viewpoint. Technology has long since stood on the shoulders of eachother, borrowing from eachother, and circling back to ideas that failed before, but are now more technologically capable do to constant competition and advancing technologies.

And once again you're trying to mix others' opinions with mine.

Misrepresentation is a really bad way of arguing so stop trying it.

 

[samcraig]

And once again you're trying to mix others' opinions with mine.

Misrepresentation is a really bad way of arguing so stop trying it.

I'm just confused at the fact that you are the one that brought MP3's into this discussion most recently, but now want to discount them.

 

[mKTank]

as i said. your will full disingenuous belief doesn't change reality.

Well you lot (Samsung fans) are known to have quite an interesting view on "reality." Even when internal Samsung documents (from the vs Apple hearings) fully acknowledge that they knowingly copied Apple.

They've never stopped. They're just better at being "different enough" that they can't get sued. And once again, I'm happy with my Note 4. I'm just unhappy that such a capable company can do little more than photocopy.

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I'm just confused at the fact that you are the one that brought MP3's into this discussion most recently, but now want to discount them.

Uh no I didn't. I was replying to somebody who tried to tell me that an MP3 player was relevant in this discussion.

 

[samcraig]

Well you lot (Samsung fans) are known to have quite an interesting view on "reality." Even when internal Samsung documents (from the vs Apple hearings) fully acknowledge that they knowingly copied Apple.

They've never stopped. They're just better at being "different enough" that they can't get sued. And once again, I'm happy with my Note 4. I'm just unhappy that such a capable company can do little more than photocopy.

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Uh no I didn't. I was replying to somebody who tried to tell me that an MP3 player was relevant in this discussion.

That document isn't the smoking gun you think it is.

Also - isn't this your post? https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20769200&posted=1

 

[aerok]

Well you lot (Samsung fans) are known to have quite an interesting view on "reality." Even when internal Samsung documents (from the vs Apple hearings) fully acknowledge that they knowingly copied Apple.

HAHA if I'm a Samsung fan? What does that make you for actually owning a Samsung phone?

Yes Samsung copied Apple in the past, I don't know anyone is denying that.

But to go as far to say they never came up with anything on their own?

There is where the irony and hypocrisy is.

 

[mKTank]

That document isn't the smoking gun you think it is.

Also - isn't this your post? https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20769200&posted=1

Smoking enough to win Apple the lawsuit.

And that link leads me to one of your posts.

Anyway I'm really not wasting any more time bickering against a wall of loyalists. Use Google or something. Also might want to google "irony" because there's a lot of misuse of it in this thread.

 

[LordVic]

Well you lot (Samsung fans) are known to have quite an interesting view on "reality."

I'm far from a samsung fan. I own only 2 samsung devices in my entire house (own more Apple, but I actually own stuff from dozens of manufacturers as I prefer to experience EVERYTHING fist hand): My Microwave and my bedroom TV.

I have owned 2 Samsung phones in the past and NEVER AGAIN! I actually think that samsung, while doing somethings right and better, ruin the experience with ridiculous overbearing skinning of Android and (can't claim for the S6) but cheap feeling build materials that are not worth the premium price tag.

Trust me, I'm anything but a samsung fan.

What I AM a fan of is honesty, facts. and aknowledging the history of the tech industry from a non-biased, moderate position where I'd rather look at the facts and history of the industry than taking a relativist viewpoint that one company is better than another.

What this demonstrates is that there's an extreme amount of cognitive dissodence within the Apple purchasing camp. This board is direct evidence of such. the need to warp and construe history to paint Apple into some different company than factual history just to make people feel like they're supporting some form of religious experience, is something that befuddles me completely.

 

[aerok]

I'm far from a samsung fan. I own only 2 samsung devices in my entire house: My Microwave and my bedroom TV.

I have owned 2 Samsung phones in the past and NEVER AGAIN! I actually think that samsung, while doing somethings right and better, ruin the experience with ridiculous overbearing skinning of Android and (can't claim for the S6) but cheap feeling build materials that are not worth the premium price tag.

Trust me, I'm anything but a samsung fan.

What I AM a fan of is honesty, facts. and aknowledging the history of the tech industry from a non-biased, moderate position where I'd rather look at the facts and history of the industry than taking a relativist viewpoint that one company is better than another.

What this demonstrates is that there's an extreme amount of cognitive dissodence within the Apple purchasing camp. This board is direct evidence of such. the need to warp and construe history to paint Apple into some different company than factual history just to make people feel like they're supporting some form of religious experience, is something that befuddles me completely.

I'm on the same boat, I own a Samsung TV which I inherited because my parents moved overseas.

I also owned two Samsung phones in the past, in 2001 and 2012. I was really disappointed with TouchWIZ with the Note2 so never went back and probably never will until they make drastic changes to the UI.

I must be the biggest fanboy.

 

[samcraig]

Smoking enough to win Apple the lawsuit.

And that link leads me to one of your posts.

Anyway I'm really not wasting any more time bickering against a wall of loyalists. Use Google or something. Also might want to google "irony" because there's a lot of misuse of it in this thread.

Bad copy/paste - sorry

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/20774317/

Also - there were a lot of missteps in that trial (if you were following). That can't really be denied. And an original judgement of 1B was greatly reduced. Has Samsung actually paid a dime yet? I honestly don't remember.

Again - that document wasn't the smoking gun many (maybe not you) think it really was. Not if you know anything about competitive analysis and product development.

Internal emails from Apple during that court case were interesting to read as well.

 

[LordVic]

Internal emails from Apple during that court case were interesting to read as well.

Lets not go down this road again, this train of conversation is only going to lead to anger.

the entire California based trial was an eye opener. Into both Apple's business ethics and Samsungs. I don't think ANY company came away from this looking like a pillar of their community.

From Samsung's willing infringement on some patents to Apple's willfull abuse of the patent system, to the Trials own issues with jury bias and evidence 'tampering'

Nobody should be impressed by how this thing panned

 

[Elvergun]

I'm on the same boat, I own a Samsung TV which I inherited because my parents moved overseas.

I also owned two Samsung phones in the past, in 2001 and 2012. I was really disappointed with TouchWIZ with the Note2 so never went back and probably never will until they make drastic changes to the UI.

I must be the biggest fanboy.

You appear to be the biggest fanboy because you've posted in almost every page of this thread...defending Samsung...tooth and nail. I bet one third of the posts in this long thread are yours.

Think about all the time you have invested in this endeavour. These are not the actions of a normal person. What are you hoping to accomplish anyways? Are you here trying to convince a couple of people to buy Samsung phone? If that is the case, you better go to a site where people are on the fence when it comes to smartphone manufactures. In this site all you are really doing is wasting your time.

I know what you will reply...something about fighting for truth and justice...and about how you really don't care about Samsung...perhaps you will mention all the Apple devices you own and love.

 

[samcraig]

Lets not go down this road again, this train of conversation is only going to lead to anger.

the entire California based trial was an eye opener. Into both Apple's business ethics and Samsungs. I don't think ANY company came away from this looking like a pillar of their community.

From Samsung's willing infringement on some patents to Apple's willfull abuse of the patent system, to the Trials own issues with jury bias and evidence 'tampering'

Nobody should be impressed by how this thing panned

No arguments at all

 

[mKTank]

LordVic, your earlier posts aren't incorrect in the sense that, yes, PDAs led the way to smartphones as we know them today.

My argument essentially is that Samsung seems to love adopting draft technologies (as they did with AC and LTE). Nothing wrong with that. But those releases weren't super influential because they were released at a bad time. Nobody in 2001 didn't have an iPod or MP3 player, and nobody had proper LTE coverage when that phone came out. Really nice, ahead-of-its-time tech? Yes. Influential? Not really. These technologies would have been adopted sometime anyway, right?

Samsung isn't totally incapable of making something new. I only meant that I wish they weren't so reliant on copying others because they're one of the sharpest companies in the world when it comes to some of their ideas. This S6 is, I believe, an obvious "answer" to the iPhone 6 (I will admit, much like the 6+ is an answer to the Note). I wish they made phones that weren't just "answers," but were "this is truly the best we can do for our customers." I feel as though the industry would be progressing so much faster if companies stopped focussing on copying features from one another and started coming up with fresh ideas. Apple isn't exempt from this, by the way; I never said they are.

 

[aerok]

You appear to be the biggest fanboy because you've posted in almost every page of this thread...defending Samsung...tooth and nail. I bet one third of the posts in this long thread are yours.

Think about all the time you have invested in this endeavour. These are not the actions of a normal person. What are you hoping to accomplish anyways? Are you here trying to convince a couple of people to buy Samsung phone? If that is the case, you better go to a site where people are on the fence when it comes to smartphone manufactures. In this site all you are really doing is wasting your time.

I know what you will reply...something about fighting for truth and justice...and about how you really don't care about Samsung...perhaps you will mention all the Apple devices you own and love.

Did I ever say Samsung phones where better than Apple's?

Did I ever try convince people to buy Samsung phones?

Did I even praise Samsung at any point?

Nope, just stating facts that a lot of people seem to ignore.

Why would I go to another site when all of my devices are from Apple? Search for my username in other forums like XDA, I post there when I have an Android device.

I invested about an hour in 2 days replying, big loss...

 

[Elvergun]

Did I ever say Samsung phones where better than Apple's?

Did I ever try convince people to buy Samsung phones?

Did I even praise Samsung at any point?

Yeah, you are so fair and balanced.

Nope, just stating facts that a lot of people seem to ignore.

Nope, just stating your opinions...not facts. Since this is an Apple site, are you surprised people ignore your "facts"?

Again, I don't know what you are trying to accomplish here. I hope you realize you are wasting your time.

I invested about an hour in 2 days replying, big loss...

An hour here, an hour there...

Good luck with your crusade.

 

[LordVic]

LordVic, your earlier posts aren't incorrect in the sense that, yes, PDAs led the way to smartphones as we know them today.

My argument essentially is that Samsung seems to love adopting draft technologies (as they did with AC and LTE). Nothing wrong with that. But those releases weren't super influential because they were released at a bad time. Nobody in 2001 didn't have an iPod or MP3 player, and nobody had proper LTE coverage when that phone came out. Really nice, ahead-of-its-time tech? Yes. Influential? Not really. These technologies would have been adopted sometime anyway, right?

Samsung isn't totally incapable of making something new. I only meant that I wish they weren't so reliant on copying others because they're one of the sharpest companies in the world when it comes to some of their ideas. This S6 is, I believe, an obvious "answer" to the iPhone 6 (I will admit, much like the 6+ is an answer to the Note). I wish they made phones that weren't just "answers," but were "this is truly the best we can do for our customers." I feel as though the industry would be progressing so much faster if companies stopped focussing on copying features from one another and started coming up with fresh ideas. Apple isn't exempt from this, by the way; I never said they are.

now this is a train of conversation that I can get behind. while full of personal opinion, it isn't necessarily taking one stance that one side is inherently better than the other.

I do agree that I find that Samsung borrows from the industry as a whole a lot. if it were blatant, outright copying (like samsung releasing KIRF) it would be closer in line to the typical responses we see on this forum of "Samsung copycats" and "samesung"

but Samsung does innovate. Whether or not the usefullness of those features is realized or not, due to whatever reason, doesn't mean they don't try and in the past have come up with unique ideas unseen elsewhere.

However, thats not saying that all companies in the industry don't borrow from eachother. It's actually how I see innovation occuring more lately.

There's little in the tech world that is invented / created in a vacuum. Tech is so advanced that they All require eachother and build upon each other. releasing something that is very similar to something else, but changed enough to be differentiated is innovation to a limited extent.

An example of this belief: Finger print sensor. if the mentality was (as many here believe) that once something is "perfected" nobody else should do it and should invent something completely different and using any technology similar, is copying.

this leads back to the conversation we were having earlier about irony. Maybe it was misdirected at you and if you didn't intend that, sorry, my apologies. But the typical 'fanboy' response on these forums is "Apple gets credit for the invention because they did it the best, and nobody else should be doing it now" completely ignoring the fact that Apple only got there by standing on the shoulders of those who did it before them. And likewise, Samsung could say the same about many things too.

I just want people to stop being disingenuous and realize that everything we have today is because it was built off of something that came before it.

Thats it

 

[aerok]

Yeah, you are so fair and balanced.


Nope, just stating your opinions...not facts. Since this is an Apple site, are you surprised people ignore your "facts"?

Again, I don't know what you are trying to accomplish here. I hope you realize you are wasting your time.


An hour here, an hour there...

Good luck with your crusade.

LOL crusade, that's exactly what I mean. Say a few things that defends Samsung and you're automatically labeled as Samsung-loving-fandroid that goes on crusades to defend them. Hilarious.

Fair and balanced? Anything that comes out of this cannot be fair and balanced.

 

[Elvergun]

LOL crusade, that's exactly what I mean. Says a few things that defends Samsung and you're automatically labeled as Samsung-loving-fandroid that goes on crusades to defend them. Hilarious.

Say a few things? In almost every page of this long thread you post multiple times...this is basically YOUR thread. It is indeed a crusade. And yeah, it is hilarious. Well, good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish.